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its insane to witness the bullshit tmras spread here entering other websites.
no, there isn't a forcefem agenda and anyone who says there is cant understand when people are joking.
no, transmascs arent invisible, trans women are hypervisible and targeted for it.
kill all tmra's
Anti-homeless architecture makes cities hostile to everyone, but we understand that the driving force behind this phenomenon is specifically anti-homelessness.
The curb-cut effect makes streets better and more accessible for everyone, but this is still the result of combating a specific type of ableism in city planning.
This is easily understood by many, that even though a social force may affect many people broadly, it does have a specific target.
So why does this become so difficult to understand when we're talking about transmisogyny?
Transmisogyny can be weaponized against anyone, but as a social force it specifically targets transfeminine people, and thus non-transfems can leverage their position to mitigate the effects of transmisogyny, or indeed, exempt themselves from it.
This is why we have the terms TMA and TME, so that we're able to discuss this phenomenon.
If there's one salient criticism against this terminology, it's that the specific words used can trip up people unfamiliar with the terms; "affected" is pretty broad, and "exempt" is rather particular. This can be remedied by simply providing the definitions for the terms, however.
Maybe terms like "transmisogyny targeted" and "transmisogyny exemptable" would communicate the terms' meanings more immediately, but this would amount to little more than language policing that detracts from the actual discussion of transmisogyny and how it functions in society.
this latest scotus ruling further hammers in the point that tmes are privileged and that the world is catered towards them in a way it will never be for those who are tma. and yet they still fucking act like they don't have privilege and that this title 9 shit actually fucking effects them. guess what tmes can play any sport anywhere they want, they have built in written in cop outs to ensure these trans tmes can play. but all these young tma girls get to suffer, they don't get anything except for increasing hatred and vitriol towards them. while trans tmes are majorly implicit, complacent, and self-centering about the whole thing.
Ralsei from Deltarune is TMA (transmisogyny-affected)
Hello transgender person who wants to help their community.
Stop making tumblr essays about how much you hate the word transandrophobia or TME/TMA. It's not doing anything.
You are accomplishing absolutely nothing and this does not matter.
It's distracting you from doing something that actually materially helps people.
Talk to other queer people in your area. Create support networks. Educate the public about trans people. Make informational zines. Spread awareness of common transphobic dogwhistling so your allies can keep an eye out for it. Organize and attend protests (download Signal while you're at it). Show up to city hall. Show up to school board meetings. Pay attention to anti-trans legislation on a local level. Speak about transness at college queer events. DO something.
Make an effort to help create the world you want to live in instead of bitching on tumblr and sitting on your ass. We would be so much more productive if you all actually did fucking anything.
So like, are butch trans women not transfemme? if transfemme means trans and femme does it exclude masculine trans women?
butch trans woman here and that honestly is a problem with how transfemme/transmasc as false dichotomy tends to play out is that many people think its about feminine vs masculine expression
its not tbc
in fact transfemme both in how its used and in how i use and describe it is about trans people who identify as "feminine" or have a "feminine" identity
feminine in both instances truly meaning more than anything that it leans more on the side of being a woman than being a man
which is admittedly a very frustrating way for fellow trans people to discuss gender because i do not personally think being a woman is an innately feminine experience and as a baby trans ik i really heavily relied on the idea of trans femme vs trans masc myself because i understood nonbinary people exist but couldnt see that i was simply replacing one false dichotomy with another
when i for instance stand on my principles about trans femmes being anyone who is trans and identifies as femme im not doing so because i believe everyone who is woman leaning is innately feminine or that it is the best way to describe gender but because there are a very large portion of so called fellow transfeminists who would seek to deny our trans siblings such a label for something so insanely transmedicalist as their assigned sex at birth
"you must be this penis at birth to ride"
and its ass
so is btw people saying only transfemmes are tma because even by their own logic that transmisogyny most affects people (perceived to have been) amab that are perceived as feminine saying it only affects transfemmes ignores the fact that the way people perceive us ignores our true identities and there are plenty of nonbinary people who dont identify as transfemme that are none-the-less perceived as feminine and may even be amab who honestly even within such a narrow definition belong in that category of primarily affected trans people
I continue to see new people on Tumblr using the terms "tma=transmisogyny affected" and "tme=transmisogyny exempt" and I unfortunately think we really need to hammer in why these terms are problematic and build a consensus on not using them.
tma basically means "people affected by transmisogyny", whereas tme="people exempt from (i.e. not affected by) transmisogyny", and the term mostly ends up boiling down to tma=trans women and adjacent identities (i.e. nonbinary transfem people) whereas tme=everyone else.
i feel especially called to speak out against these terms because i myself am both transfeminine and visibly trans, so i am in the category of people whom the proponents of these terms would consider "tma". and i hope that because of this, these people will listen to me even if they haven't listened to others that they categorize as "tme".
underlying these terms is an idea, an assumption, or an assertion of truth: the idea is that if you are not a transfeminine person, then you are not affected by transmisogyny. the idea is untrue, and it's been refuted time and time again by people lumped in the "tme" bin speaking up about their experiences of being negatively affected by transmisogyny, but people continue to use that term to refer to those people, never acknowledging or engaging with these voices.
the Trans Language Primer is critical of these terms (source) writing:
Unfortunately, many people use these terms as a direct replacement for birth assignment. Doing so erases or ignores the experiences of intersex and non-binary people. Their experiences often are not as simple as “I was seen as a woman; I am now seen as a man,” and vice versa. Transmisogyny is not a simple concept. It happens to a variety of people for a whole variety of reasons. It cannot be boiled down to “this set of people experience it and these people do not”.
I would take the criticism further. If you listen to trans men, there are numerous specific instances of trans men being subjected to transmisogyny, sometimes directly (if people wrongly assume they are trans women, and yes, this can and does happen, especially given how ignorant the general population can be about trans issues) and sometimes indirectly (like when policies or cultural practices that tend to be directed primarily at trans women end up also hurting trans men, as is the case for instance with the recent hype about trans people in sports, and many laws and practices surrounding bathrooms.)
Basically, if you listen to the lived experiences of transmasc people, you will realize that many of them are affected by transmisogyny, even if on average they are less likely to be affected as directly.
Cis people too can be affected by transmisogyny. People acting out bigotry don't care about a person's identity; they only act based on their own perception of the person and beliefs about them. So gender-non-conforming people who present masculinely-enough that a stranger genders them male but then sees them as a trans woman, can be subjected to transmisogyny. This most commonly affects gender-non-conforming men, sometimes gay men who aren't necessarily even trying to be gender-non-conforming (i.e. men who are just expressing themselves the way they want to), and occasionally it can even affect cis women too.
Lastly, the way tme uses the word "exempt" is highly problematic. The word "exempt" literally means "released from or not subject to, a particular obligation or liability" (source)
Because transmisogyny is something that a person acts out on the basis of their own perception though, it is pretty much impossible to know whether or not a particular person will ever be subjected to transmisogyny. It doesn't matter whether the person being targeted is actually transfeminine, it only matters whether someone harboring transmisogyny perceives them as transfeminine. And it may not even matter whether or not they are perceived this way, in the case of indirect harm or "collateral damage" like all the policies and rules and forms of bigotry that are originally targeted at trans women but then end up hurting other people including not only trans men but various cis people as well.
So saying certain people are "exempt" makes a really broad claim.
I also think saying "tme" comes across as highly divisive to me. I think transmisogyny is an issue that affects so many people, and the breadth of the harm caused by it makes it easier to draw in allies.
I have consistently felt supported by transmasculine people, gender-non-conforming cis people, and cis gay people, through my journey through gender and coming out as transfeminine and nonbinary. I want to include all these groups of people in my activism and I want to communicate to them how we are all struggling together and we can all work together to solve our problems and lift each other up.
Saying "tme" excludes certain people. It makes an untruthful claim that certain people are not affected by certain harmful forces that they actually are affected by. It ignores the voices of people who have spoken out repeatedly about this hurt. It alienates valuable allies in the fight against transmisogyny, something we all agree is bad.
Stop using these terms. Please share this post or write your own post in your own words and point people to these posts any time you see people using these terms. We have known these things for years and it's so sad to me to continue seeing new people using them. It's time to put an end to it once and for all.
tme/tma is a shitty binary to sort people into because it leaves no room for nuance (i.e. intersex people who aren't transfem getting perceived as such and therefore are subjected to transmisogyny, gnc men ((tmasc & cis)), etc.)
transandrophobia & transmisandry don't imply the existence of androphobia nor misandry; the 'trans' is there for a reason
the oppression of transmascs & trans men is rooted in misogyny. we never said it wasn't
trans men don't have privilege over trans women in the public eye because they're still perceived as girls. girls who don't know any better about what they're doing to their body — no matter how old they are — and no matter how well they pass, them being trans can completely change a person's perception of them
passing for transmascs & trans men (especially those in unsupportive households) is no easier than passing for transfems & trans women
any "privilege" we have from being perceived as cisgender women... are you serious? are we being serious right now? we AREN'T cis. we AREN'T women. that's like, the whole thing! you know that, right? you aren't just looking at us and thinking Women Lite, right?
on top of that: what transmascs & trans men are being told is the exact same thing that most of us have been told our whole lives. to "shut up" because we're "girls" who can't understand the topic being discussed; it's just that now, we're being told to because we're men who can't understand the topic of misogyny and oppression. despite many of us having grown up as women & girls, and a lot of us still being perceived as such.
but we're on the internet, and nuance doesn't exist.
transmisogyny & transandrophobia both exist in the real world. those are issues that we, as a community, need to work towards solving in our current day and age. what isn't a real-world problem? about whether or not trans men & transmascs have privilege over transfems — or, god forbid, that we even face oppression in the first place.
p.s. you can be trans and still be transphobic. your identity does not exclude nor excuse you from hate. there is no identity that makes you incapable of wrong. if you think there is, i need you to take a step back from the internet & talk with real people.
