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Me, trying to get to lunch:...
The client trying to exit our lot;
Only there were no walls and if they had backed up 2 more feet and turned their wheel more than 10 degrees it wouldn't have taken them 8 TRIES to get out of the parking spot!!!
I know I say it a lot, but I do want people to understand that peafowl are not cutesy, safe birds for just anyone to own, no matter what they look like when I post. They are capable of inflicting some serious damage when they want to.
For scale reference, Eris is a pretty small hen, around 7lbs. Her spurs are less than an inch long. She's normally fine to walk around, I can go pick her up off the perch, I give her smooches at night, I can handle her babies.
Last week, while I was refreshing wading bins with cool water for them, Eris decided dumping a bin was an intolerable act of aggression toward her, and she flogged me. Now, regardless of what I'm doing in the pen, I always have at least some of my attention on the birds. So while I didn't expect to be attacked, I saw it coming in time to get a knee up as she jumped.
She still GOT me, but the 1/2" puncture wound was in thigh flesh, not my face.
The thing is, this wasn't even a full power blow because she was thrown off by my interception. But it's enough that a week later I still have a roughly 3" bruise around a puncture wound she gave me through my jeans.
Yes, she did that through my jeans!!
Now imagine that same attack from a 10-12lb male, with spurs over an inch long and much sharper than a hen's, and imagine that he means it, WILL give it his full power every time he's able to, and it will be his life's mission to stalk you until you let your guard down and he can get you. It is unfortunately the reality people have to live with when they raise these birds incorrectly, and hand raise males.
THAT is why you do not snuggle male peachicks.
But this kind of situation with Eris is ALSO why I don't encourage others to get into these birds, and warn people that they are big and can do damage. Even the very friendly ones can have a bad moment where they make the wrong assumption about your actions, or they have a grouchy day or something. And the average person just doesn't need to deal with that nonsense. And the people that can handle it need to be aware that that's what they're getting into, BEFORE they get into it.
Hi, its me. The warmest creature in the world. I love you. Im the warmest creature in the world and I love you so much and I need to be in your lap right now. Yes, I know about the heat wave. That's okay though because I was already the warmest creature in the world so I don't mind. I love you and you need to let me sleep in your lap right now. I'm soooo warm and I love you sooo much. If you say no you'll be saying no to a thing that love you. Let me sleep in your lap. When I fall asleep I get warmer. I love you
you said you used to work at a "kill shelter", for lack of better wording. how often are animals actually put down to free up space?
I did not work at an open intake shelter. I worked at a very well funded limited-intake shelter.
But i am a huge supporter of open intake shelters and their staff. They do extremely vital and often heartbreaking work while getting shit on by lots of people. I will defend them and what they do to my dog breath.
I don't know often animals have to be euthanized for space. It's going to vary based on time of year, shelter size, funding, foster programs, etc.
The numbers of frenchies and doodles entering the shelters is definitely starting to increase, so all these indiscriminate breeders going for the next greatest trend are actively contributing to that happening though.
Mishmish, now Peppercorn, has a new little brother! Her owners took the little blue tabby boy kitten that my coworker found :3
They've been doing a wonderful introduction, carefully watching how both cats are acting and it's working really really well!
She thinks Kitten TV is the best thing ever.
Been going through my recent followers to remove the bots and have made a rather annoying discovery-
Quite a few pro-Trumpsterfire blogs have started following me. I'm sure some of these are bots as well but let me say this plainly.
Fuck that man. I am going to party so fucking hard when he finally kicks the bucket.
Fuck off with bigotry of any and all sorts. Learn to be better people who care about others simply because they *are* people. Except Trump. Fuck that guy.
I have got a bottle of nice cherry brandy sitting under my television in preparation for the news. I have been collecting 4-leafed clovers all summer, carefully pressing them between pieces of cardboard and stacking them on top of the bottle, ever hopeful that today will be the day.
Because fuck that guy.
I have a song for this!
When that man is dead and gone!
I was, and am, very much planning to post that song when he shuffles off.
Been going through my recent followers to remove the bots and have made a rather annoying discovery-
Quite a few pro-Trumpsterfire blogs have started following me. I'm sure some of these are bots as well but let me say this plainly.
Fuck that man. I am going to party so fucking hard when he finally kicks the bucket.
Fuck off with bigotry of any and all sorts. Learn to be better people who care about others simply because they *are* people. Except Trump. Fuck that guy.
My dog was just diagnosed with 304/404 severe linguoversion with palatal mucosal trauma and 104/204 attrition which was thoroughly explained to me, but he's five and none of his previous vets flagged this, it just came up because we switched to a new vet. Is stuff like this common? I wouldn't think that adult teeth could shift that much. I'm getting him into a vet dentist as soon as they have an opening (consults starting in August, apparently) and I'm hopeful that there's something they can do to fix it without having to remove the bottom canines entirely, but this is honestly freaking me out a bit.
Base narrow canines like that are something that develops when the adult teeth first erupt. Ruckus had base narrow canines and I was able to mostly fix this by taking his baby teeth before his adults were fully erupted. This allowed his adult teeth to shift into the unoccupied space. I can't speak as to why your previous vet did not catch this issue. As to frequency, I'd say overall it's fairly rare; overbites and underbites are much more common and can result in similar tissue trauma.
Removing the teeth isn't the only option, thankfully, but it is sometimes the best option.
Alyssum's pending euthanasia is turning out to be the hardest decision I've had to make because unlike my other pets her main issue seems to be dementia (plus her frequent/chronic pancreatitis episodes). She forgets she's hungry and outside of a few moments eating her food doesn't excite her. She wanders off frequently, will fall asleep for a while, seems to only remember her food if I walk past it. I know that similar things happen with human dementia patients as well.
It took her 30 minutes last night to finish 2/3 of a cup (she needs to eat 2 cups to maintain her weight) and 45 minutes this morning to eat another 1/2 cup.
I can't leave food out for her all the time because Ruckus would eat it, as would Tumbleweed and he's on a prescription diet.
But she's happy and still tries to play and it's harder because she doesn't have a more classic terminal condition underneath it. There's no cancer cutting things short, just a long slow decline where she can't maintain herself.
Alyssum's been having a pretty bad flare up of her chronic pancreatitis. She's not having any vomiting or diarrhea, and she's still playing with Ruckus so she's not too uncomfortable. But she won't eat without an appetite stimulant, and even then she's not eating as much as she should be.
This is one of my personal QOL cut off points.
She has until Monday to eat decently without the appetite stimulant (I will be giving it through Friday).
My girl is 15 1/2 years old. She's an old lady, and definitely slowing down. She's weaker in her hind end than she was a couple months ago, too.
Well, she's off the appetite stimulants and she's eating *maybe* half a cup of food in the evening and another half cup in the morning. She needs to eat at least 2 cups to maintain her body weight. She is definitely losing weight as her ribs and shoulder blades are becoming more prominent to the touch. I'm sure you'd be able to see them, too, but she hates being shaved and I'm not going to force her through something with no purpose.
Unless a miracle occurs tonight/tomorrow, I'll be saying goodbye on Monday morning.
For my fellow vetblr peeps, anyone else have the misfortune of having to use this brand of syringe?
The plunger on these moves so freely that the pressure in a jugular vein can fill the syringe itself and it can make you believe in telekinesis because you even *think* about putting the blood in a tube and it pours out all over the place, wasting a bunch of the hard won sample
Everyone here hates them with a passion
Sedated Ruckus today to check his foot and get rads of his wonky elbow
Sent the rads to my favorite vet with: "fun" new game - what ISN'T wrong with my dog's elbow?
Her response?
"It contains bones... that is normal"
😑
Versus his much more normal limb
Vet was like "there's so much open joint space it looks like his lower leg should be able to just fall off"
Would explain his tendency to orbit me
if you are going to need some kind of sedative for 4th of july fireworks for your pets NOW IS THE TIME TO SCHEDULE THOSE APPOINTMENTS TO ASK FOR THEM
NOT WHEN ITS 2 DAYS AWAY
I feel like to really get this circulating as it should, we need it superimposed over the picture of the turkey going in the fridge. (I can't do it I'm on my phone.)
ask and ye shall receive
wishing all anxious dogs a very merry trazodone!
5 month old bulldog puppy.
Radiologist called this a "moderate bilateral hip dysplasia" and now I'm being judgemental of them because that right hip isn't "moderate" at all
Fuckin' no acetabulum ass hip joint right there
Sedated Ruckus today to check his foot and get rads of his wonky elbow
Sent the rads to my favorite vet with: "fun" new game - what ISN'T wrong with my dog's elbow?
Her response?
"It contains bones... that is normal"
😑
Versus his much more normal limb
Vet was like "there's so much open joint space it looks like his lower leg should be able to just fall off"
Sedated Ruckus today to check his foot and get rads of his wonky elbow
Sent the rads to my favorite vet with: "fun" new game - what ISN'T wrong with my dog's elbow?
Her response?
"It contains bones... that is normal"
😑
Versus his much more normal limb
Vet was like "there's so much open joint space it looks like his lower leg should be able to just fall off"
Hello! Sorry to bother you, but I'm really hoping you can help me. I read through your peafowl faq but couldn't find any specific advice that I could use. I live with my parents and we have three peafowl - one peacock and two peahens. Taking care of them is one of my jobs. The peacock and one of the peahens are yearlings. The other peahen's age is unknown, but we suspect around two or three. They're all Indian Blues. The peacock we've had since he was a chick. We had two other peahens, but lost them to a raccoon over the winter. The other peahens we've had for a few months. I'm very fond of our peacock since we've had him so long. I thought we had a good relationship - I used to sit with him whenever time allowed, sometimes for hours. Recently though he's become increasingly aggressive. He's always made calls, but recently he's seemed to deem me a threat. He follows me if I turn my back to him or look away. It reminds me of one of the turkeys who imprinted on to me and now is constantly flirting/trying to attack me. I know you're not really supposed to make eye contact with peafowl but lately I've had no choice - it's that or be rushed at. To be honest I'm hoping it's a mating season thing and it'll be over in a couple months - one of the hens is occasionally laying eggs. The biggest problem is they keep sitting on/laying eggs on this one wooden bin, which is 1) next to the doorway 2) where both their feed, along with the other fowl's is kept inside 3) a step which both they and I need to use, to access the door leading to their run outside (it needs to be closed nightly, it's not currently secure against raccoons. We're working on building them a different larger pen, this is a temporary one. Also a different one from the one that the other two peahens died in. There's a lot of construction here rn.) I currently am unable to let them outside, feed them (or any other bird we have), or give them fresh water without getting rushed or attacked. I would appreciate any advice you might have. I have no idea what to do, and my parents are no help atm.
So rather unfortunately, you've almost certainly imprinted the peacock. The damage is already done for him, but for future reference, you should not socialize with babies unless you know for 100% sure that they're hens. Imprinted males suffer from what is known as berserker male syndrome. They become relentlessly aggressive, and stressed out when humans visit them because they view humans as the same as them, but not related, and so a rival to be driven off. Because you own him, you can't be driven off permanently, creating a stress loop.
Since he's still young, you may be able to salvage him somewhat, but be aware that he has a 15-20 year life span ahead of him and this behavior will not go away. It may improve some in the off season, or it may not. Some people choose to euthanize once they recognize the safety risks involved with a 10lb bird with knives on his legs that wants to go for your eyes, who will lead a stressful life for over a decade. Some choose to try to work with the birds, but the work you'd be doing is mitigation, as again this cannot be corrected.
The first thing you will want to do is put in a small platform near the entrance of the flight pen, but not touching the doorway (maybe 6 feet in or so). EVERY time you enter, put peanuts on the table. If you must, put peanuts on and then leave, so that they'll find them. They will learn that if they jump up there, they get treats. Once he is up there, he will be less inclined to try to attack because he is no longer at ground level and they don't attack from raised ground like that.
Reward him for staying up there. Learn to do feed and water fast, while he's up there, to prevent confrontation. That's going to be most of the limit of your interaction with him and unfortunately with the hens that are in with him for the rest of his life, because the longer you stay in his pen, the more stressed he will be about it. You should not free range him, as he can become a serious injury threat to others and if he does leave your property and hurt someone, you may be financially liable for it.
I'm sorry that this isn't the answer you were probably hoping for. But this is a situation I see play out over and over and over and over and OVER again in folks new to peafowl, especially ones who take bad advice in Facebook groups from other people who are currently cuddling their babies and haven't hit the point where the shit hits the fan, behaviorally speaking. And there is not an alternate ending; cuddling the birds that are boys end in two ways, and two ways only- an early death or a lifetime of aggression and stress. I speak about this often, because I don't want people seeing my cuddle birds and deciding to follow suit, so there are a lot of references to this on my blog as well, if you search "berserker male syndrome."
I do very much wish you luck with him, but if he's already acting like that as a yearling, I wouldn't hold my breath on the behavior improving at all. In fact I would expect it to intensify greatly over the next 3 years. You usually don't see that stalking and attacking behavior show up until they're 2-4 years old, meaning he hasn't even really hit the worst of his hormones yet.
