Look guys, reg the Jensen/Destiel recent events... I don't think the question was t h a t assuming or pushy, and the answer was t h a t harsh or homophobic.
You could tell that the fan was very stressed and struggled to put the question in Nice Words, and you could tell that both Jensen and Misha* tried to respond in a media-trained way. If you listen to the recording, I believe that there is no actual phrase that can be copied in full that would sound really bad on paper. Yeah, the wincest comparison sucked** and wtf but also it happened right after the crowd loudly disagreed with Jensen saying that Dean was canonically not reciprocating in a romantic sense, and he backtracked on that later on, so it was clearly a defensive reflex. Who hasn't said any stupid shit in a situation like that?
Do I wish it went differently? Sure. Do I disagree with Jensen's sentiment? Hell yeah. But does any of it substantiate the amount of hate that is pouring out on both sides for no other reason than Jensen saying pretty much what he'd said before? HELL NO.
Guys, the show means a lot to me and I know it means a lot to the lot of you, but do we really need to be complete dicks to each other or to Jensen or to Misha because of it? I saw soooo much hate online on both sides before a n y recording with the full response was uploaded, people just rushing in with their reactions based on vibes, their already made-up opinions, and some short, subjective descriptions of what happened written from memory of the participants. I'd been waiting for the actual recording to pop up before I allowed myself to make up my mind on the situation but it feels like I'm in minority, and I hope that with this post (sorry for it being so terribly long) I'll find some other people who agree with this sentiment. But overall, all of this makes me just incredibly sad. Guys, we love the same show, we read it differently at times, but in the thousands of years of human storytelling there's always room for interpretation! If everyone understood everything the same way, life would be pretty boring. So yeah, I read the show that Destiel is canon, because it sure looks like it to me, but I am not going into a fistfight with someone who says it isn't - because really, Dean's reciprocation was never explicitly confirmed. Does a lot of his behaviours suggest that it does? Yeah, and I think it was intentional, whether they can properly admit it or not. But that is m y i n t e r p r e t a t i o n. I was not there when they filmed the show. Maybe in a few years the times will change and they will be allowed to talk more openly about what happened in the background. Maybe Jensen will say something different then. Or maybe not, and we really have been reading to much into destiel. Either way, there's no need to full-on hate on each other because we disagree with one interpretation or the other.
Look, Misha also said in that response that the ending (i.e. Dean's death) was an unexpected twist in such a way that it implied it was a good ending, and I think most of us, destiel shippers or not, can agree on the fact that the ending sucked. And yet nobody is picking this sentence up like it's the most abhorrent thing to say just because they disagree with it. Not to diminish the emotions of queer people who might have felt insulted by Jensen's words (as a queer person myself I am not offended, after hearing the f u l l response, but I can see how someone might be, especially just from the cut quotes), but both what Jensen said about destiel and what Misha said about the ending were things that contradict some of the things that were said in the past (by them or other people), but most importantly they were just overly corporate-compliant in both instances. It was clear to me that they tried to a v o i d saying something rather than just say something, and there probably was a reason for it. Either way, now everyone is uncomfortable, fandom is fighting itself and everything's horrible. So maybe instead of pouring out hate, let's just enjoy our little show together? Please? Let's not make this sad horrible world even worse by fighting to death on this? Can we just have one nice thing and enjoy it?
Anyway, that's what I think. I've caught up on the show fairly recently and was super happy about how welcoming and sweet the fandom was. I heard about some dramas but I didn't expect things to go t h i s bad this fast. So please don't ruin this for me and don't ruin this for yourselves!***
*Misha is often saying the most random things ever and I love him deeply for it, but 1) a lot of it seems like he just blurts out the 1st thing that comes to his mind, no matter if it makes sense, is true or just a joke (ref: how the whole Cas is into BDSM thing started) and 2) his acting career is now in a completely different place than Jensen's, and he can allow himself to say things that Jensen can't, Jensen who needs to accommodate to a broader audience and corporate agenda whether he likes to or not at this point and 3) Misha's been continuously saying and doing the most random things (but also ally things! I think both are true in this case) for so long, it's now part of his brand, and it's not hurting him in the way it could potentially hurt Jensen's brand i.e. within The Boys fandom etc. So no, I don't think that Misha's been baiting us, as some people have been saying, I think he's just saying what he thinks at the particular moment, and a lot of times it comes out as sweet, respectful or just funny, and there are times when it just doesn't click. I still have mad respect for the guy and wanna be him when I grow up.
**Still, if you quoted it word for word on paper, with every word that was said in between, it doesn't sound that bad. It sounds bad if you cut it out with no context, but in a whole sentence it actually makes s o m e sense. I don't agree with that sense in any capacity, but I can see some logic behind it.
***Anyway, sorry if this rambling was too long but I had to get it off my chest. A lot of us (if not all of us) could use a little corner of the internet that is just nice, and happy, and enthusiastic, whatever it is about (fandoms, hobbies, whatever), and I thought this might be mine. So I am a bit disappointed and frustrated atm.
