“breathing dreams like air”

—f. scott fitzgerald

[thedreamticket]

you and i both know that you care about enid.

[bramlouisgreenfeld]

“This,“ Neil flicked his finger to indicate the two of them, “isn’t worthless.”

[thedreamticket]

so why didn’t lizzie get a solo scene with her mom and why didn’t hope get a solo with her dad :| the writers really said we’re gonna rob you one last time!

[thedreamticket]

their love interests did NOT need to be there for the entire time or for as long. specifically in hope’s case, landon not leaving her alone during the klaus scene and during the ashes scene reduced the emotional impact of both scenes. his presence almost just felt intrusive and unnecessary considering they already got closure as a couple a few episodes before and considering that landon was literally emotionless.

[thedreamticket]

so why didn’t lizzie get a solo scene with her mom and why didn’t hope get a solo with her dad :| the writers really said we’re gonna rob you one last time!

[thedreamticket]

can't tell if you're complaining to complain or serious about why it took them longer to defeat malivore than gods. i mean it's obvious. they had this season and were told maybe this was a finale. would you have rather they lost for "realism" sake in a show about magic/god/supernatural beings?

you have a point anon :) but i was more complaining about the fact that it took so long to defeat malivore hehe and making a joke out of it. i think the show should have killed him off in season 2 and explored something new instead of waiting until season 4, especially since the monster of the week format was getting kind of old. but rest assured, i am joking :)

[thedreamticket]

why did it take the legacies characters longer to defeat malivore than to defeat gods 😭

[thedreamticket]

the fact that legacies forced hope to be with the same boy for 4 seasons seems homophobic

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like this is practically unheard of for female main characters in teenage shows. you’re telling me that HOPE MIKAELSON never explored her sexuality with anyone else, that the love of her life was a teenage boy? the show deserved to get cancelled

[thedreamticket]

the fact that legacies forced hope to be with the same boy for 4 seasons seems homophobic

[thedreamticket]

the fact that klaus and caroline might be coming back for the shitshow legacies series finale and not many fans even care 😭 not that i can blame them, the writers ruined the mikaelson reunion episode and so many other characters, plots, and storylines.

[thedreamticket]

Legacies: Criminal Minds Parallel

I watching re-watching Criminal Minds and I noticed that, in 4x18, Hotch says, “I’m the guy who hunts guys like you,” to which the Reaper replies, “There are no guys like me.”

I was wondering why this was so familiar and then I remembered that, in 4x04 of Legacies, Malivore says, “I eat monsters like you.” Hope then replies, “There is no monster like me.”

It left me wondering whether or not the Legacies writers took inspiration from Criminal Minds as I know some of them watch the show, and they’ve down it before with Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

[thedreamticket]

why does hope keep having to learn the same lesson over and over again? why does she keep having to save landon over and over again? why can’t hope have a storyline that doesn’t revolve around landon?

her lesson in season 2: she can’t choose landon

her lesson in season 3: she has to let landon go

her lesson in season 4… she has to let landon go?

[true-unicorn-queen]

That is the point!

Hope, like her father, gets single minded-KY focused on the thing she loves. Klaus’ need to keep his family with him, albeit in coffins and Hope’s need to have Landon are the same thing. And she has to keep learning the same lesson again and again just like Klaus.

But she isn’t all her father. Hayley is in there too. So while Klaus took a 1000 years to learn his lesson it take Hope, what, maybe 2years?

It’s their unhealthy dependency on those they love that shines in both Klaus and Hope.

[thedreamticket]

Or…it’s just shitty writing LOL. Klaus’ storyline revolved around his family, and he kept them in coffins so that they could never leave him. As you said, he loved his family for a millennia.

Again, as you said, it takes Hope maybe 2 years. So, Hope became obsessed with Landon after about a year of knowing him—without the show ever showing their “epic love,” only telling us—sacrificing everyone and everything to save him. This would make sense if Hope was protecting her family at the Salvatore Boarding School (people she have known all her life), but it doesn’t translate well at all when you factor in that Hope and Landon have known each other for two years, part of which Landon dated someone else, part of which he was stuck in Malivore, and part of which he was stuck in Limbo. I can get an unhealthy dependency, but this dependency makes no sense when Legacies hasn’t shown their relationship develop at all past Season 1.

I understand the allure of Landon to Hope, especially in season 1. Because of his pheonix powers, he can never leave her and die on her, but then he still manages to leave her and walk away from her constantly throughout Season 2.

If anything, Hope should’ve learned this lesson of letting Landon go the first or second time. It’s unfair to her character to keep dragging this on and to have her one storyline revolve completely around Landon, time and time again. It’s been 4 seasons and Hope is the only character who hasn’t developed—even Landon’s character developed independently of their relationship while he was in Limbo, whereas Hope is the same person she’s been since Season 2. I would even say that Hope is the only character who’s devolved, going from saving everyone to only saving Landon at the cost of everyone else.

[true-unicorn-queen]

What part of unhealthy do you not understand? Even if we take everything you said at face value and say that Hope and Landon's relationship was not that epic and has only been around for a little while then there is still the part about her getting re-traumatized again and again from his death/leaving.

Hope is someone in a very unique position. Almost her whole family has been around and with each other for a 1000 years. They have lasted that long. So for her keeping Landon is very important. Not just for a while but forever.

I am not even going to get into how Landon is perhaps the only person fit for Hope. The only one who she thinks is the things she is not. The yin to her yang. The brain to her brawn.

And don't tell me that it is not possible for someone to become very important to someone in a very short time.

And like I said, Hope keep getting re-traumatized and each time her need to keep Landon safe gets stronger and stronger. It is her missing him and pining for him over and over again that makes her want to protect him above everyone else. She knows that she can't help herself and she is pretty damn okay with it. For God's sake, it is killing Landon that turns off her humanity.

As for everyone else at the school, they can protect themselves and they are sturdier than he is. And it is not like she doesn't protect them too. She does all the time. And he is the only one who she has positive feeling associated with when her parents were still alive. Remember for most of her life she has been ignored by everyone else and even bullied by Lizzie. [I get why Lizzie did it but it does not change the fact that for most of her life she did not have positive feelings associated with her]

It is that piece of a slightly happier life that she is carrying around every time she wants to protect Landon.

And being the hero should not have to mean her having to lose the guy she loves over and over again. ["I don't want you to be a hero. The hero is never the one left standing."] And it does not help that Landon really wants to be the hero. He is the Cami to her Klaus. Wanting to help everyone, even to his own detriment.

[thedreamticket]

How can you admit that Hope and Landon have an “unhealthy” relationship and say that Landon is the “only person fit for Hope” in one breath?

[thedreamticket]

why does hope keep having to learn the same lesson over and over again? why does she keep having to save landon over and over again? why can’t hope have a storyline that doesn’t revolve around landon?

her lesson in season 2: she can’t choose landon

her lesson in season 3: she has to let landon go

her lesson in season 4… she has to let landon go?

[true-unicorn-queen]

That is the point!

Hope, like her father, gets single minded-KY focused on the thing she loves. Klaus’ need to keep his family with him, albeit in coffins and Hope’s need to have Landon are the same thing. And she has to keep learning the same lesson again and again just like Klaus.

But she isn’t all her father. Hayley is in there too. So while Klaus took a 1000 years to learn his lesson it take Hope, what, maybe 2years?

It’s their unhealthy dependency on those they love that shines in both Klaus and Hope.

[thedreamticket]

Or…it’s just shitty writing LOL. Klaus’ storyline revolved around his family, and he kept them in coffins so that they could never leave him. As you said, he loved his family for a millennia.

Again, as you said, it takes Hope maybe 2 years. So, Hope became obsessed with Landon after about a year of knowing him—without the show ever showing their “epic love,” only telling us—sacrificing everyone and everything to save him. This would make sense if Hope was protecting her family at the Salvatore Boarding School (people she have known all her life), but it doesn’t translate well at all when you factor in that Hope and Landon have known each other for two years, part of which Landon dated someone else, part of which he was stuck in Malivore, and part of which he was stuck in Limbo. I can get an unhealthy dependency, but this dependency makes no sense when Legacies hasn’t shown their relationship develop at all past Season 1.

I understand the allure of Landon to Hope, especially in season 1. Because of his pheonix powers, he can never leave her and die on her, but then he still manages to leave her and walk away from her constantly throughout Season 2.

If anything, Hope should’ve learned this lesson of letting Landon go the first or second time. It’s unfair to her character to keep dragging this on and to have her one storyline revolve completely around Landon, time and time again. It’s been 4 seasons and Hope is the only character who hasn’t developed—even Landon’s character developed independently of their relationship while he was in Limbo, whereas Hope is the same person she’s been since Season 2. I would even say that Hope is the only character who’s devolved, going from saving everyone to only saving Landon at the cost of everyone else.

[thedreamticket]

why does the necromancer have more character development than hope

[thedreamticket]

the fact that hope didn’t even learn her “lesson” on her own? landon had to teach it to her? wtf?

[thedreamticket]

watch the legacies 4x17 episode be a repeat of 3x01 where hope won’t wake up because of landon and she doesn’t want to leave him so she offers to stay with him in limbo, completely forgetting the sacrifice her parents made for her all over again like season 3. my worst nightmare 😭

[thedreamticket]

so yup i was right! legacies recycled the same old handon plot again! watching hope put landon above everything and anything was almost unbearable. the fact that he had to talk her into leaving? extremely poor writing and i fear this isn’t the end of it or them

[thedreamticket]

why does a god have beef with a teenage girl 😭

[thedreamticket]

hope mikaelson’s one personality trait was her hero complex and now she doesn’t even have that? she has to be talked into saving her friends? once again, her character revolves completely around landon. no development, no personality, no dimension, nothing.

[thedreamticket]

why does hope keep having to learn the same lesson over and over again? why does she keep having to save landon over and over again? why can’t hope have a storyline that doesn’t revolve around landon?

her lesson in season 2: she can’t choose landon

her lesson in season 3: she has to let landon go

her lesson in season 4… she has to let landon go?