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Why conspiracy theories are dangerous

Really great video on the dangers of consipracy theorists and different reasons people believe in them. Definitely applies to the Courtney love and Kurt Cobain conspiracy theories. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb1hkjfkfbw

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Courtney going on tour right after?

Theres a misconception that after Kurts death, Courtney went straight on tour right away. This is false. The album was already set to release a few days after and they couldnt change that on such a short notice. Promotion for the album was cancelled and she pushed back the tour 4 months.

“Live Through This was supposed to provide Love an opportunity to step out from her famous husband’s shadow. “It’s annoying now, and it’s been annoying for nine years, Love said in a 1999 Jane Magazine interview of always being connected to Cobain. Released four days after Cobain’s body was found, the album’s promotion was put on hold. Rather than retreat from the public eye, Love openly mourned and helped fans of Cobain and Nirvana make sense of the singer’s death. She sat with grieving teenagers gathered outside the couple’s Seattle home and recorded a reading of parts of his suicide note that was played at the singer’s memorial that gathered near the Space Needle. In the days following his death, Love showed a very raw and emotional side and admitted that, like many fans, she didn’t have all the answers. 

It was, and still is, impossible for people to discuss Live Through This without noting the irony of the album’s title. Love has said the name was not a prediction at all, but instead a reflection of all she had endured in the months leading up to its release, including a very public custody fight with the Los Angeles Department of Family Services over daughter Frances Bean. Rumors suggested that Cobain had written much of Live Through This (it’s Miss World, not Mister, just FYI). “I’d be proud as hell to say that he wrote something on it, but I wouldn’t let him. It was too Yoko for me. It’s like, ‘No fucking way, man! I’ve got a good band, I don’t fucking need your help,’” was Love’s response to critics in Spin’s oral history of Live Through This. Love and Cobain often shared notebooks and lyrics with each other, and while there is talk of Cobain’s influence on Love’s work, or the writing of all of it, less is mentioned in the press of her impact on his lyrics and music. Rather than sucking all the life out of Nirvana or threatening the success of the band, like many assumed she would do, she inspired Cobain. Fun fact: In Utero, Nirvana’s last album, was named after a line from one of Love’s poems.

Sadly, songwriting rumors would be replaced by other rumors. Women are often vilified and condemned for the deaths of their male partners. Love, like all women, was supposed to save her partner from death and addiction. Fans of Cobain projected all their anger and resentment over the loss of the Nirvana front man onto Love, and soon she was blamed for not only his addiction but also his death. There are even two movies devoted to the theory that Courtney killed Kurt: the awful Soaked in Bleach (2015) and the equally awful Kurt & Courtney (1998). If you think we’ve come a long way, baby, sadly we haven’t. 

One year after Anthony Bourdain’s death, Asia Argento is still being blamed, and in September 2018, Ariana Grande had to take a break from social media after fans blamed her for the death of her ex Mac Miller. A few months later, she would be blamed for new beau Pete Davidson’s mental health and addiction issues. It’s amazing she finds the time to write hit songs what with all the dude destruction she has going on. When women are not being blamed for the deaths of the men in their lives, they are being attacked for not grieving properly. “She wasn’t crying. She’s got $30 million coming to her. Do you blame her for being so cool?” a hospital staffer said of Yoko Ono following John Lennon’s murder in 1980. 

About four months after Cobain’s death, Love went on tour to promote her new album. Some questioned and judged why she would go on tour so soon, but Love has said it was a necessity. She had a young daughter to support. She needed to work. She also, sadly, still needed to prove herself. “I would like to think that I’m not getting the sympathy vote, and the only way to do that is to prove that what I’ve got is real,” Love told Rolling Stone in 1994.

Twenty-five years later, Cobain’s death still hangs over Live Through This. In the days leading up to the anniversary of Cobain’s death, former Hole bassist Melissa Auf der Maur wrote an open letter to music magazine Kerrang saying she “would not stand for Kurt’s death overshadowing the life and work of the women he left behind this year.”

“We were extremely well designed for each other,” Love has said of her relationship with Cobain. In a letter reprinted in Dirty Blonde: The Diaries of Courtney Love, she calls him “my everything. the top half on my fraction.” The two had similar upbringings, both came from broken homes and spent childhoods shuttling between relatives and friends. They both grew up longing for love and acceptance. When we tell the story of Kurt and Courtney we talk about drugs and destruction, but we don’t talk enough about love.

The two also shared an intense drive and ambition. “I didn’t want to marry a rock star, I wanted to be one,” Love said in a 1992 Sassy interview. Evidence of her drive can be found in the many notes and to-do lists she kept, some of which are collected in Dirty Blonde. There are reminders to send her acting résumé to agencies, to write three to four new songs a week, to “achieve L.A. visibility.” A scene in the documentary Kurt & Courtney features an ex of Love’s reading from one of her to-do lists, which has “become friends with Michael Stipe” as the number one task to complete (not only did Love do this, but he is her daughter’s godfather). This ambition is not surprising from a woman who, when she was younger, mailed a tape of herself singing to Neil Sedaka in hopes of getting signed. Love knew what she wanted at an early age, and what she wanted was fame.

She was certainly living by the “do not hurt yourself, destroy yourself, mangle yourself to get the football captain. Be the football captain!” motto she championed in the 1995 documentary Not Bad for a Girl. Ambition is often a dirty word when it is used to describe women and Love is no exception. She has been repeatedly described as calculating and controlling when she should be rewarded for her blond ambition and viewed as an inspiration. Critics and the press often call her a gold digger who only married Cobain for fame and money. They fail to mention that when the two met Pretty on the Inside was actually selling more copies than Bleach, Nirvana’s debut album. Even post-Kurt, Love’s intentions were always under scrutiny. On the Today Show to do press for The People vs. Larry Flynt, Love refused to talk about her past drug use, despite the host’s repeated questions, saying the topic was not an appropriate fit for the show’s demographic. She was right, but it didn’t stop a writer from describing the move as “calculating” in a 1998 Spin piece.

Cobain was ambitious too; he was just much slyer and more secretive about it. He was known to call his manager and complain when MTV didn’t play Nirvana’s videos enough, and he would correct journalists who misquoted the band’s sales figures in interviews. While success is typically celebrated and rewarded for men and it certainly was for Cobain, he also had to be mindful of the slacker generation that loved Nirvana and greeted success — and especially mainstream success —

While female celebrities like Love are criticized for their rebellion, male celebrities, like Cobain for example, are celebrated and mythologized for it. Cobain and Love both struggled with addiction, but it is Love who is repeatedly vilified for her drug use. “She was vilified for being a mess, for being a drug addict, for not being a great parent — in other words, all of the things we expect in a male rock star,” said Bust magazine in a piece in the magazine’s 20th anniversary issue, which featured Love on the cover.

We make jokes about the drug antics of male celebrities from Keith Richards to Charlie Sheen, idolizing their debauchery and depravity. The new Netflix/Lifetime movie by Jack Daniels, The Dirt, about Mötley Crüe, takes the band’s excesses to almost comic levels. Check out crazy tourmate Ozzy Osbourne snorting a line of ants by a hotel pool! Such zany antics! I would love to see Lindsay Lohan try to get away with that. We never allow women to live down their arrests and their addictions, but we repeatedly allow men to have a redemption arc. Robert Downey Jr. was in and out of jail and on and off drugs for much of the mid to late ’90s, but we rarely, if ever, talk about his past.

When Love isn’t being attacked for her addiction issues, she is being judged for her parenting. Love’s first unflattering press was “Strange Love,” the much publicized 1992 Vanity Fair profile by Lynn Hirschberg. While the piece talks at length about Love’s drug use and constantly questions her parenting ability, it doesn’t paint Cobain in the same light. “It is appalling to think that she would be taking drugs when she knew she was pregnant,” says one close friend in the piece. Hirschberg relies on many unnamed sources and focuses often on the tabloid-like aspects of Love’s life and addictions. “Courtney has a long history with drugs. She loves Percodans (‘They make me vacuum’), and has dabbled with heroin off and on since she was eighteen, once even snorting it in Room 101 of the Chelsea Hotel, where Nancy Spungen died,” she writes. “Reportedly, Kurt didn’t do much more than drink until he met Courtney.” (Even when it is reported by Kurt and Krist that Kurt tried heroin in 1989, way before Courtney, It was also known that he smoked weed and used caugh syrup to get high in 1989 and 1990.)

This double standard was common in coverage of the couple. In Kurt Cobain: Montage of Heck, the 2015 documentary by Brett Morgen, Love asks her husband, “Why does everyone think you’re the good one and I’m the bad one?” Later in the film we see a scene of Frances Bean’s first haircut. The child sits on Cobain’s lap while Love searches for a comb and scissors. The camera shows Cobain nodding off, and while he maintains that he is just tired, it’s clear he’s not. The scene is painful to watch, especially because those around Cobain carry on like nothing in wrong, giving the feeling this is just like any other day in the Love-Cobain household. The scene is a reminder of how the press treated Cobain’s addiction when he was alive. They just carried on like nothing was wrong, instead directing all their judgement at Love.

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No fingerprints?

This one is actually really simple, anyone can find this out if they actually did their own research. In May they tested for fingerprints and didnt find any legible fingerprints: 

The reason there is no legible prints is because in 95% of firearm cases they do not find legible prints. It has to do with the surface. It would actually be more suspicious if there were legible prints.

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/why-we-dont-find-fingerprints-on-firearms/

“Developing latent fingerprints on firearms however, has a very low probability – somewhere around five percent. That means 95% of the time you will not find any. You wouldn’t know that by watching television. Remember, these are the same people that will be sitting on juries and evaluating what you did or didn’t do. So, you have to be prepared for the inevitable cross examination on ‘why this’ and ‘why that’ when it comes to fingerprints and firearms.”

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Credit Card/Plane Tickets

Tom Grant claims that Kurts credit card was being used after he died because because Cobain’s death took place somewhere between the 5th and 6th of April, and the activity of Cobain’s card continued on April 6th. Tom informed the Seattle Police department. One of the officers said he was going to take care of the matter, talking to Seafirst Bank. The bank said that “they had only been able to identify when the information was logged onto their mainframe computer, and not specifically when the attempt was made or who it was made by“.

Meaning that the activity in Kurt’s card was delayed. It doesn’t show real time transactions. Tom Grant said he doesnt believe the bank statement. However, his scans of the transactions reveal the bank and police were right.

Considering Kurt bought his Delta Airlines plane ticket from LAX to SEA-TAC on April 1st, and the transaction log shows it was approved on the 2nd, it is a fact that the credit card activity is indeed delayed.

The thing about him buying two plane tickets, one for him and some like to say Kristen or another woman are false. He actually ended up buying 3 tickets. 

Not just two. Two were the same price $150 and one was $478. Only the more expensive one was approved. Two of the categories of his purchases [Plane Tickets / Retail] even have duplicate prices. He was trying to buy one of each but kept going because he needed to use his card, trying to see if it’d go through until it did.

Kurt only tried to purchase one plane ticket, there was a problem with the system.

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Dr. Cyril Wecht

One of the "experts" who appears in the film named Dr. Cyril Wecht, a former forensic pathologist. Dr. Wecht is one of the most corrupt people in his field who was caught selling false autopsy reports to families so they could be used in civil suits. In 2006 a federal grand jury indicted him on 84 criminal counts forcing him to resign in disgrace. This creep is cited as an authority by Tom Grant. Nevermind the fact all the other experts have since denounced the film and said they were lied to in production. He appeared on a show called Alien Autopsy where he claims to have performed an autopsy on a space alien supposedly recovered from Roswell, NM.

apparently he claimed it proved the existence of aliens lol. Here’s an article. He also has a credit for the show on IMDB. https://www.poconorecord.com/news/20200213/roswell-ufo-case-surfaces-in-bidwell-trial

"What I have seen here... does not appear to be a human being." [Cyril Wecht]

 Read more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_a...

Alien Autopsy: Fact or Fiction "Film director John Jopson was engaged by producer Robert Kiviat to direct several portions of the Fox special, including Santilli's interview. Jopson has stated that he became immediately suspicious upon meeting Santilli in London and, after conducting further investigation, told both Fox and Kiviat that he believed "the whole thing was a fraud". He described their response: "It was then made clear to me that if the footage was exposed as a hoax before the show aired, the ratings would suffer." Jopson then enlisted the services of his friend, well-known private investigator William Dear, but according to Jopson, Dear was held back by the producers for fear the hoax would be exposed before the air date, and he was limited to investigating the identity of the "mystery cameraman". Two of the program's participants claimed their observations were distorted: Stan Winston and Kevin D. Randle (a noted UFO author and investigator) both claimed they clearly stated in their interviews that they believed the footage was a hoax, but their statements were not used."

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The note

Tbc

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Soaked In Bleach adding a warning that its a fictitious movie and any resemblance to real life people or characters is “entirely coincidental” so they cant get sued for false information. Way more to come soon.

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To start off here is what the professionals featured in Soaked In Bleach had to say afterwards:

Vernon J Geberth 

“ The documentary “Soaked In Bleach” gave the impression that Kurt Cobain had been murdered. I was one of the experts interviewed during this documentary and was not happy that the producers made it appear that I agreed with their “Homicide” theory. I had made it quite clear that I believed that Kurt Cobain took his own life and backed up my opinion with the facts that I had obtained  from the Seattle Police Department’s Homicide Division coupled with my own experience with suicide cases. 

Source [1 , 2]

Carole E Chaski 

[Forensic Linguist]

Carole has also stated that Soaked In Bleach twisted her words. Carole was asked to analyze Cobains suicide note.

  “What I did say is that the note had typical variation of real suicide notes with the top half being one kind of suicide note and the bottom one being another  (more stereotypically-conceived) kind, both real suicide notes. My results do not support the conspiracy theory that Courtney Love authored the bottom portion to make it look like a suicide note”.

She gave another interview stating: this

This was her assessment of the note: [1, 2]

She also went on “House of Mystery Radio Show” and talked about how  "There was a struggle going on among the producers" and that they "would ask questions in one way and talk in another way off camera [...]". Listen to this [~ 56 minutes long]: here

Heres the snippets: [1, 2]

John Fisk

John recalled his involvement with the film in an interview with Mercer Island Reporter he said: 

"he reiterated to the producers that he still believes the case remains a suicide"

"Fisk calls himself a bit of a skeptic when it comes to conspiracy theories, and says conspiracies seem to come up with any celebrity death."

"In a case of an obvious suicide, which from my limited experience with a crime scene, it looked like every other suicide I’ve seen."

Norman H Stamper: [1]

Heidi Harralson 

Heidi had this to say about her part in the film:  “Because I haven't seen the entire film, I can't critically evaluate it other than to say that I think what I said was mischaracterized through editing and taken out of context”.

Her interview was played out while animation of the practice sheet letters appear to be placed over the letters at the bottom of the suicide note. The animation during the film seems to be trying to manipulate the viewers. Having these experts in the film does add credit to some of their claims but its clear that the experts neither agree or disagree with the murder verdict. Statler's intention for viewers is to watch the film without questioning the information provided but when researching the claims made by Tom Grant and Statler they become empty. 

Source: [1]

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Blog Introduction

Hello, so Im making this blog to debunk Tom Grant, Soaked In Bleach and the theory that Kurt was murdered/Courtney murdered Kurt mainly because Im tired of still seeing comments under any Courtney/Hole or Nirvana/Kurt video of stuff that doesnt make sense, is false or has been debunked already. This is going to be a place where I put all the information in one place, some of it is mine and some is taken from other places.