Rip Hunter defence squad

A blog for everything PRO-Rip Hunter. Well, anything Arthur Darvill, really. Including LOT discussions. Sideblog to timewantstohappen

[augustheart]

hey, since the cw is almost certainly killing a jewish man in the nazi crossover, here’s stuff i absolutely do not want to see:

-anybody saying he deserved it (most likely for his comments about mick). seriously if i see you saying this i’m 100% going to block you. they’re killing a jewish man in an episode with nazis. i don’t care how many comments he made about your fave i really truly don’t! (and this is coming from someone who likes mick.)

-anybody neglecting to mention that he’s jewish when talking about his death. stein is a jewish man, and a rabbi at that. you can’t conveniently forget that he’s jewish when talking about how he was written off.

-anybody saying this is ‘not that bad’ or that his death will be/was handled respectfully. look, i get none of you give a fuck about jews, but maybe pretend to have a shred of decency.

there’s other stuff i already have seen, like all of you acting like a double wedding is the biggest problem here, but i’m just gonna nip all of this in the bud as soon as possible.

[reidvezz-deactivated20180501]

While the outrage at laurels death was justified I’m gonna be that asshole and point out - cw kills off a cishet white woman and there’s a fucking mile long campaign to bring arrow down and watch it burn until she’s put back on the show.

have a marriage between a Jewish man and a black woman take place during the same crossover that features god damn nazis that also kills a prominent Jewish character to “make the hero’s wanna take down these bad guys”?

Not a peep

[timetravellingjellybeans]

Yeah, because Snart got to kiss a guy. That’s literally ALL I’m seeing about this crossover.

[noradarhks]

lot fandom: we love all characters equally! leonard snart, mick rory, sara lance, nate heywood, ray palmer [looks at smudged writing on hand] misfit stacks, jupiter jumpstart, america juice, rope hangman, kayak saucy, goodwill, leonard snart

[timetravellingjellybeans]

What do you like about Rip Hunter, if, you know, you like him?

I do, indeed, kind of like him A LITTLE!

I love him because he is a mess. He is very, very flawed which makes him very, very human. I love that the show allows him to make mistakes and learn from them.

I love him because he gets so lost in his plans and focused on his main goal that he forgets about things that matter. I love that his motivation is always making sure that reality is kept safe, even if it means that his personal life will suffer.

I love him because he cares. It’s not always obvious that he does, but that, too, is a part of him. He is a very difficult to understand kind of person, but one who deserves so much more understanding and support than he gets.

I love him because he’s a good person. Despite what life has thrown at him so far, he’s still a very compassionate character who has certain lines he will never cross. He is one of the strongest characters on Legends because, where others have failed and allowed their pasts to turn them into villains, he has never wavered and he has found a way to become someone who cares.

I love him because he never gives up. You can’t keep him down. As long as that guy is still breathing, he’ll do whatever he has to, to achieve his mission.

I love him because he is misunderstood, underappreciated, the fandom-scapegoat and one of the most interesting characters I have ever seen. He isn’t perfect, but he’s trying his best.

Oh, also: He’s British.

[timetravellingjellybeans]

Hey I noticed you really like Phil, can you list your five favourite things about him?

Okay, first: how can anyone not love him? <3

Five things... hm... how about....

His creativity. I love that Phil is a writer, I love that he is at film school and part of a very creative group of people. I know that this whole thing about him writing his script was all about the spear and that we only got to see the part where he is actually making his movie, but he must have been at the school for a long time to actually GET to make his own movie as part of his studies and that includes writing scripts and stuff about other ideas as well. 

His courage. I realize it’s not exactly the first thing people think when they look at him, but Phil was “just” a guy who was suddenly attacked by people who were shooting at him and he still cared about his best friend and made sure that he was safe. And then he just couldn’t stand by watching the strangers who had abducted him get harmed by the bad guys and even though he has no superpowers or anything, he decided to act and interfere and try to help and save them. 

His hilarious but very human reactions. Him starting to scream when he is being arrested. Crying for help when the team tries to help him. FAINTING when he sees the Waverider (which is my favorite). But also him showing fear when he is being threatened and tortured, he never pretended to be a tough guy like everyone else on those shows always does.

His hands. Phil talks a LOT with his hands, he is very expressive and I love how his body language is so different from Rip. (I think this actually ties in with how much I love Arthur for giving everyone of his characters something unique and how he manages to make Phil both totally NOT like Rip but also makes it very easy to see Rip in him at the same time.)

The fact that he is just a normal guy. There is nothing heroic about him, nothing “special” in a way. I love how much Phil shows us who Rip really is at his core and how we can get a glimpse at what kind of person Rip COULD have become if the Time Masters had not got their hands on him.

Bonus: His clothes. I’m in LOVE with his director!Phil outfit, LOVE the pants and the shoes! <3

[timetravellingjellybeans]

Hey, do you like rip hunter

Yeah, a little.

Like… I mean, I totally don’t obsess over him or anything.

Or have pictures of him on my walls.

Or talk about him all the time with people who also, kind of, like him a bit.

He’s totally not one of my favorite characters or anything.

Thanks for asking, “anon”! XD

[timetravellingjellybeans]

[timetravellingjellybeans]

.... is he dancing?

[timetravellingjellybeans]

Ava: How many drinks of alcohol do you consume a week, sir?

Rip: One.

Ava: That's it? One drink?

Rip: One shelf.

[kalinara]

I will never understand why so many people in this fandom seem fascinated by the idea of Rip Hunter wanting to undo/get rid of  Lily Stein.

Look, I’d have loved to see a scene in which Rip was introduced to Lily and realized what exactly had to happen to lead to her conception.  I do feel like we were robbed a little of that.

But as amusing as I think Rip’s reaction to Lily would be, there is nothing in the show to indicate that he would ever want to get rid of the poor girl.

First of all, people seem to think that Rip is a lot more draconian when it comes to the timeline than he actually is in practice.

In season one, Rip describes his job as a Time Master as “making discreet alterations to the timeline.”   We’ve seen him respond to the crew’s various attempts to change their timeline (both on purpose and accidental) with a relative lack of concern.

He specifically describes the timeline as “in flux” when it comes to their futures.  And in Legendary even acknowledges that technically Sara and Quentin Lance were supposed to die when Laurel did.  He changed that.

So even though Rip is concerned with the general timeline, he doesn’t seem to be terribly concerned with smaller variations.  As long as Lily’s presence doesn’t lead to a dramatic turn to the worst (i.e. her grandson becomes the next Per Degaton), there’s no real reason for him to be particularly concerned.  He’ll jot it down, keep an eye on the timeline, and move on.

Second of all, if Rip genuinely thought Lily was a problem, he had five years to deal with her before he and his Bureau saved Los Angeles.  He’s shown no indication of doing so.

Heck, look at Amaya.  If Amaya stays in the future, Mari won’t exist.  And that could lead to all sorts of problems.  Rip and Amaya apparently discussed this issue, but at no point has it been indicated that Rip tried to force her to go home.  If anything, Amaya’s dialogue indicated that SHE sought HIM out for answers.

If Rip isn’t going to force Amaya back home, when we know damn well that Mari is important, then why would he want to get rid of Lily?

Third of all, Rip is a flawed man.  He can be focused to the point of fanaticism.  He can cross lines for the sake of what he sees as a greater good.  He can be a hypocrite.

But one thing that he’s always emphasized is how much he doesn’t want his vendetta to cost his team their lives and loved ones.  And this especially comes up in the context of Clarissa.  Rip takes Martin’s relationship to Clarissa very seriously.  He helps Martin preserve his marriage in the second episode.  And Clarissa’s not remembering Martin in Last Refuge is one of the key reasons that Rip decides that they need to go straight for Savage at the height of his power.  

Rip says more than once that he doesn’t intend that Martin lose his own wife in the quest to help Rip save/avenge his.

So now, Martin has an impossible daughter.  He’s suddenly been given a great gift that Rip lost.  

I can imagine that Rip would have a lot of mixed feelings about this.  And a lot of them negative: jealousy, pain, anger.  It’s kind of unfair, isn’t it?  To have lost a child and then see a friend accidentally stumble into having one?

But I think he’d be happy for Martin too.  And I think he’d be very emotionally invested in the idea of Martin getting to keep his family.  If only because Rip couldn’t keep his own.  I can’t imagine a situation where Rip would ever want to take this away from Martin.  He knows what that feels like.

[timetravellingjellybeans]

I have never seen a fandom that so desperately needs one of the GOOD guys to be the villain. I don’t get it and, frankly, it’s getting on my nerves at this point. Every single bad thing on this show somehow has to be Rip’s fault, and if it isn’t, then fandom will find a way to MAKE it his fault.

[frekkenbok]

[riphuntertimemasterlegend]

I could watch season 1 Rip Hunter all the time.

[timetravellingjellybeans]

I really wish Rip Hunter getting written out of a show about time travel would get only a fraction of the attention that S/nart leaving the dc verse does.

[timetravellingjellybeans]

I have seen a couple of people headcanoning (is that even a word?) that the Time Bureau is the organization that later turned into the Time Masters and that Rip basically founded them.

As a writer, I find this idea fascinating - if it’s done right.

And by doing it right I mean that you don’t establish that they are ALREADY the bad guys by turning them into that during the first FIVE years of what appeared to be a couple of THOUSAND YEARS of history. 

To be honest, having the Time Bureau eventually turn into the Time Masters at some point would be EXACTLY the kind of thing that would fit with the tragedy that is Rip Hunter’s life. Trying to do something good that will eventually be turned against him. (Kind of what is happening with the Legends right now.) It would fit with his overall story arch in a sad way.

However, I’m not sure how much sense it actually makes if you really look at what it would mean:

The Time Masters would have KNOWN that Rip founded them. They would have known about his past - they would have known that he can only build the Time Bureau/Time Masters if he destroys them first. Which means they would have known about their own end - and then why allow him to live his life as he did? Why make him as desperate as he eventually turns and not find a different way or even a different person to do the whole Savage thing with?

And, more importantly, IF the Time Bureau really turns into the Time Masters - then the Legends would have to allow it to happen. They couldn’t stop it. IF they tried to, they would end up interfering with something they have already taken part in - and we all know how that works out in the end.

I’m sure there are ways to work around all this and as long as it turns into a clever story that makes sense and doesn’t ignore the canon laws the show has set up for itself (mingling with your own time line is bad, really really BAD!) then I’m... not happy with it, but I’d give the writers credits for pulling it off.

Turning the Time Bureau into the Time Masters only so that the Legends are right about them - that would be a waste of a really interesting organization that could be about so much more than giving a reason for the Legends to keep doing what they are doing.

[noradarhks]

phil, basically: i’ve only known these people for two hours and they technically kidnapped me but dammit i’d die for them

some Good Phil Content for @timetravellingjellybeans

[kalinara]

Phil is too good for this world.

(And I still think the Legion looks pretty relieved in that second to last gif.)

[theadrogna]

Also I hadn’t noted that Eobard says “it’s been ages” like he’s meeting someone he knows. More proof that Eobard and Rip knew each other before the Spear debacle.

[timetravellingjellybeans]

The Legends don’t deserve Phil Gasmer.

[timetravellingjellybeans]

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[wilfrida-blog-deactivated201712]

How we would be remembered?

Sarah Lance, Legends of Tommorrow, 3x3

As idiots? Time’ crushers? I don’t know. So many variants.

[noradarhks]

i would not hesitate to engage any of you in dishonorable combat

[theadrogna]

“x should punch rip!!1!” - because punching the grieving widower who always gets punched is fun.