hell of a demon belle!

tinged, 34, tag rambler. this is a charlastor sideblog! dead dove & nsfw. find me on bsky & twitter!

[tingedautumn]

you've got a dream / you wish to tell! hi hello welcome! i'm tinged / charlotte, 34, she / her; this is my sideblog for charlastor art and rambles. (it is entirely unhinged.)

this blog is not radio/apple or viv friendly. i try to keep it constructive, but there's going to be a lot of salt. please proceed with caution!

this blog is pro-ship and 18+. i have chronic yapping disease and it is incurable, so be prepared for mile-long tags. thanks for stopping by!

other links twitter / bsky / ao3

[tingedautumn]

hoping you are all right and sending lots of love 💕

thank you friend ❤️

and thank you to everyone who has sent kind messages and condolences; i'm sorry i haven't replied, part of it was just taking time to Deal and part of it was funeral planning (we just held it last week since the weather was nicer).

hope everyone is taking care and thank you again for the patience and kindness <3

[tingedautumn]

maybe your dad died because he was so ashamed of having a ch*rlastor for a child </3

normally it’s my habit to just ignore / delete hate comments but this is so funny im losing my mind. the concept of my dad literally kicking the bucket because his adult daughter ships two fictional cartoon characters. the idea my dad had any concept of hazbin hotel??? help me im in hysterics i needed this laugh like you would not believe. dad died because of charlastor #confirmed

[tingedautumn]

my dad passed away peacefully today. i’m going to take some time to lay him to rest and grieve. i hope everyone is taking care of themselves and sending love to everyone.

[tingedautumn]

thinking about how somebody said alastor growled at the mention of charlie’s gf in episode 4 🫣

presses my hand to the glass thinking about how fucking possessive alastor is right from the get go with charlie, how he just thinks of her as his because he's the only one who can keep up with her, match her beat for beat, who can provide for her the way she needs. decades of wanting to build a hotel for sinners and alastor gets it up and running in a matter of minutes.

and at first maybe he tells himself that it's about keeping his trump cards close so he can use charlie for his own ends, but it doesn't take him long to realize that if he's meeting charlie step for step, she's matching him too. she's keeping him guessing, keeping him on his toes, constantly amazing him with just how determined and bright she is, and why should he share that with the ones who don't understand her? don't appreciate her? why should he let others try and dull her shine when he can keep her glowing all on his own?

which gets even worse because once he wants into that intimacy, that closeness, it becomes apparent that others are there instead!!! a partner who tries to dull her shine, and a father who only calls her when he needs something, and a plethora of peons who couldn't give a damn whether she lived or died - but not alastor! he'll keep the spotlight on her at all times, and join her for the dance! and if he takes affront to anyone who gets in the way, that's between him and the snarls he lets out despite his self-control!!!

[manualformarsh]

healing

[probuccalfat]

let’s do something unethical together, just the two of us. for fun.

[system-of-cells-interlinked]

i am very weak for the “ruthless person who develops one (1) ounce of ethics because the person they are obsessed with wouldn’t approve of murder” thing.

[tingedautumn]

Do you think Charlie is a self insert for Vivziepop? I heard she based both Charlie and Vaggie off herself and Charlie’s experience in s2 was based off her own experience. Not to sound like I’m wearing a tin foil hat but could that be another reason she hates Charlastor?

oh MAN wouldn't that be something ... implications i dare not consider ...

i think there's definitely some elements of self-insert, at least in the general sense; most creators do tend to pour in parts of themselves to original creations, especially ones that they've worked on for a long time. i know that vaggie being salvadoran in the original canon, and charlie loving musicals, are in reference to viv.

if i had to guess - and take this with a HUGE mountain of salt, because this is all just speculation and armchair diagnosing and admitted bias LMAO - i would say that charlie is maybe how viv sees herself: the underdog no one believes in who gets bullied unfairly but is still somehow right and will rise above the #haters. for all the mistakes charlie makes and all the bad writing that afflicts her character, she is meant to be this entirely compassionate and kind person who is trying to convince the masses that she's right, and that falls very in line with viv and her way of thinking.

i honestly don't know if charlie is meant to serve as viv's mouthpiece, or self-insert, because off the top of my head, viv putting any kind of serious work or thought into a female character's motives or decisions feels VERY unviv-like. that being said, it would almost make it more likely for c/harlastor to occur, because viv has a massive crush on alastor. it could very well be that viv wants some elements of self-insertion while still getting her kinks satisfied; i couldn't guess and frankly, am frightened at any attempts to understand what that woman thinks.

if she is using charlie as a mouthpiece, though, she's going to fuck that character up completely, because viv is also a historically nasty person with really cruel behaviours, and her trying to justify them through charlie is less character assassination, and more just blatant homicide.

[chxrrybonbon]

rainy night.

[tingedautumn]

i'm not even kidding the immediate change once lucifer brings up charlie i -

annoyed. irritated. bothered.

KEEP HIS WIFE'S NAME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH

[tingedautumn]

sometimes i think about alastor being annoyed with lucifer as he is in general but then him visibly losing his temper when lucifer accuses him of running away and leaving charlie in danger

[pumpkinmartenee1]

The stag takes a chomp from his darling doe

I might have gone overboard on the chomps but I see both Charlie and Al sinking their teeth in when Al fully sinks in

[tingedautumn]

The Hazbin Hotel cards drop lowkey pisses me off cuz that not only Charlie, Emily, sera and lute just don't have any decent cards (or hell any cards at all) they're also still trying to push RA with the dad mugs which high-key pisses me off cuz they're referencing Dad Beat Dad that has Alastor call himself Charlie's dad are they subtly pushing Alastor is Charlie's father figure again in this merch?? I don't like that

sincerely when i saw the merch i laughed out loud like oh BROTHER give me a BREAK lmao we've been calling it!!!

at this point the only dynamic ra have canonically, and i mean the only dynamic, is that they hate each other and they're both important male figures to charlie. that's the only angle they've got at the moment, and v*v is going to milk that for profit until the cash cow is a wizened husk. they're going to bleed that pig dry.

but it also just reinforces, to me, what we've been saying all along: the focus was never going to be on charlie or her pursuit of redemption, it was going to be about the male figures and how v*v can hit them with the yaoi beam. why create merch for the lead of her show when she can't be fujo'd? why make anything related to charlie when beating the dead horse that is dad beat dad could wring out a few more bucks?

and that loops back to them retconning the whole "he's lying to piss off lucifer" thing: it was canonically alastor gloating over his closeness to charlie and him understanding charlie more, but once v*v and her team saw the yaoi profit, they switched tracks. and we knew it was going to happen, but it's still "my disappointment is immeasurable and my dad is ruined."

i will say that there's a whole market of charlastor and charlie-based merch that is fanartist made and centered! and they're getting my money ten times over before i throw so much as a dime to spindlehorse.

[tingedautumn]

[tentatively attaches this ask on top of ur many asks] joking aside, i think the reason why you get may get so many asks is because:

-it’s because you understand charlastor & their characters well

-a lot of us love ur headcanons and you have a great understanding of canon that we also agree with.

-you have very good critical points regarding the show, the fandom, RA/their shippers, and the creator herself compared to many, many, MANY people within the fandom who like to act like critical discussions are a bad thing. like discourse within the show’s fandom is sooo rancid that people outside of the show/fandom are aware of it!!!!! (i was one of them; it turned me off watching the show for years + the general Fandomification (coughs RA shippers to be exact)+ viv herself) and so many people didnt/don’t want to touch that so you’re, imo, one of the many people i have found to be really great at nuance and critique that i think many people appreciate. plus, you love charlastor together and individually.

-i also like that you are also critical (not a bad thing!) about the fujo / bigotry within this fandom/fandoms in general and fan works because a lot of people aren’t and many people will act like a 5 year old whose toy is being taken away when this conversations occur so i love finding like-minded people who discuss that/understand the frustration.

that you would come into my house, the house i live in, when i have not swept, and make me cry like this, in my unswept home ...

[tingedautumn]

Are we still doing this @yoshidenss ? Man, don’t you have preschool or something?

“Interesting, lots of ra shippers are also queer but you for some reason don't take this into account. We are all straight women but charlastor shippers are all queer feminist? Lmfao. I'm not gonna search your account but I probably won't see any women outside of het ships, so if I'm a "misogynistic male centered fujo", yoy are then "homophobic male centered hetslop fan"?”

I never said anything about the sexual identity of ra; I said that charlastor fans are also part of the lgbt community, and insulting them as “hetslop fans” is both disrespectful to their identity and also reinforces what I have been saying: you don’t actually care about someone’s sexuality and identity, you just want something to get off to. Also, for funsies, I LOVE Vaggie and Emily or Vaggie and Cherry! You can find some mentions of them in my archive ♥️

“The point is how you all treat vivzie in such disgusting way by making up shitty parasocial theories or curse her for daring to make wlw couple canon instead of making Charlie date her malipulative father figure”

Oh my goddd this tired thing AGAIN lmao, you really just regurgitate what you see from twitter, huh? Even IF they have a familial bond I can ship them; even if they’re canonical family, I can ship them! That’s how shipping works! We don’t dislike viv because she “made chaggie canon”, because many of us WANTED chaggie to be canon. We dislike viv because she’s a gross bully who disproportionately favours her yaoi fanbase at the expense of the story, who sics her fans on charlastor shippers, and who has people like you sucking deep on her boot. BORING. DULL.

“not to mention how charlastor shipper constantly shit and say the most disgusting stuff about vaggie, just how today I saw one accusing her of raping Charlie and making degrading comments about her nose,”

Numerous people, both charlastor and not-charlastor, have pointed out that the way the sex scene played out does not follow consensual sex. Coaxing someone to be intimate with you when they’re in emotional distress is kind of gross. You’re welcome to read the scene the way you like, but we’ve established you’ve got the literacy capabilities of strewed beets. Maybe block the rest of them if it bothers you.

“it's laughable and hypocritical to accuse anyone of misogyny when you treat another female character in such degrading and awful manner”

Well, that’s weird, I’ve actually posted pretty frequently how much more I want for Vaggie. A fallen angel who falls in love with the literal spawn of Lucifer? That slaps! Wish the show could keep up with that!

The crazy thing here is that when I see ra weirdos like you in the wild, I block and move on, or vent in a space that is specifically tagged to keep you out. When YOU see a post from a charlastor fan, you barge in and demand obsequiousness. I’ve no doubt you’ve met crummy charlastor fans, and you’re allowed to dislike them, but you will NEVER convince me you’re on the moral high ground when your ENTIRE schtick is ignoring Alastor’s canonical hatred of men and dislike of Lucifer, your blatant disregard of female characters for your ships, and your deliberate attack on someone else’s boundaries. What a sad little thing you are. Have a nice day!

[tingedautumn]

hey @yoshidenss since you want to keep this going, let me break it down for you

Hi, no offence but why do charlastor shippers say anything about misogyny when lots of charlastors vehemently hate vaggie and are huge homop

the “infamous artist” you reference was from 2019, and as far as I know, is no longer active in the fandom. If they are, I can say with certainty I haven’t seen them. As with ALL fandoms, there are 100% crappy shippers and fans, but the charlastor fandom at large does not condone or support those people. They are not a popular or well-liked aspect of the community.

A vast number of the fandom identify as lgbt, and want to see proper lgbt rep in the show that claims it as a diversity. Instead, we’re constantly disappointed with the male-centric view and attitude from fans like yourself. You came onto a post that had NOTHING to do with vaggie, and proceeded to insult the fandom for … not liking vaggie. Which I guess must be true for you too, since a glance through your blog shows that you have NO posts about Vaggie. In fact, I don’t see ANY posts about women on your blog! That’s so weird! Almost like … my comment about the fujo fans actively hating women to further their yaoi brain rot … might apply …

You can think what you want about what you want, but you came to a properly tagged post to start a fight, and I suspect that’s because a hit dog will holler. Wanting more for the canon lesbian character is not misogynistic. Liking a ship that involves a bi woman and an ace man is not homophobic. Get off the Internet and talk to actual people, it will do you a world of good.