Me being very Autistic about httyd

main @jusiri this is mostly gonna be Book stuff, but there may occasionally be movie content as well

[toasts-httyd-hyperfixation]

Name: Toast Pronouns: Anything works

This is my side account for HTTYD related stuff, mostly the books, but the movies will pop up on occasion.

If I make a post, assume its about the books unless otherwise clarified.

I make a lot of memes, AUs (many, many AUs), and also various cursed art, because I believe every fandom needs at minimum one insane freak posting stuff that causes mild psychological damage upon viewing.

And, ya know by my recollection, t'weren't much of that when I came here, and so clearly, I had to solve this issue.

And thats why you'll see running text through UwUificaion bots and putting Horrific Dragons in kinda slutty outfits. (not NSFW stuff) So be aware of that! Anyways, yeah, that's about it, have a good one 👋

Link to the post in my header

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Can't believe i almost forgot to share the updated Toothfull with you guys

How could i have been so rude 😔

the first and second Original Toothfulls for anyone curious

[leftycharacters]

Today’s left-handed character is Hiccup Horrendous Haddock III from How To Train Your Dragon (books)

Suggested by @chaoticwitchinthebasement

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So the listings for the New Httyd series got updated with a plot summary and

From that description looks like we are going back pre book 9, because I feel like post 12, they're not really going to be talking about how Hiccup's bad at everything

Though the idea that after everything that happened, they still make him go to school and are still like "God you suck at this" is hilarious

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Love that with the way its set up, Snotlout is anwhere from barely 3 to almost 5 years older than Hiccup

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@rowan-e-ravenwood

So it never actually says that he's three years older

What you're referring to is in book 11, Snotlout says he was the Heir to the Tribe until he was three years old

Which yeah, seems clear he's 3 years older

Problem

Book 12 says he's 15 in book 2

which Hiccup was at the ripe old age of 10 1/2 at the time, so technically i should've said over 5 years not almost 5

The thing is, it really depends on when Snotlouts birthday is, what age he was turning that year, and what specifically was meant by 'until he was 3', yadda, yadda...

First, in book 2, he's 15

We dont know if his birthday is earlier in the year and he's just turned 15, or if its later in the year and he'll be turning 16

Second, what he meant by until he was 3 could've been that Hiccup was born when he was three

Or he couldve meant that he was heir during the ages of 1, 2, and 3, and then later, when he was 4, Hiccup was born

So until he was 3 he was the heir and then when he was not longer 3 he was, he was no longer the heir

There's also the potential that when Gobber says Snotlout got the star at 15, that he was thinking of the actual awarding of the star and not the event that Snotlout earned the star at, which couldve taken place months later, we just don't know

So yeah!

Snotlout is anywhere from 3 - 5, possibly even 6 years older than Hiccup, it just depends on what you choose to go with👍

[anhttydbookfan]

#Cressida has many strengths but timelines and ages are not one of them#its fine‚ i am capable of working within the various parameters established by canon to figure out how it all can still wok together#its fun👍#not being sarcastic even tho its kinda sounds it lmao#still need to redo my timeline and ages sheet#itd be a lot better second time around#alas‚ last month of school prevents me from pursuing this endeavor#Soon tho.... soon i will be free.......#anyways yeah thats about it#httyd book spoilers

[pine-dragon]

It's simple really, Snotlout just ages faster than Hiccup.

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Damn, that's why Hiccup's only 3, Snotlout's stealing his age

[queenofthearchipelago]

I feel like it makes sense if you consider that Valhallarama got pregnant. Hiccup was the heir the moment he was conceived. Maybe right after his 4th birthday, Stoic and Valhallarama announced the pregnancy, and then right before he was 5, Hiccup was born. The timeline works that way. No one would have treated Snotlout like he was the future heir after it turned out the chief was having a child.

Oh, hell, maybe when he was 3, they announced they were trying for a kid. Do we know how old Stoic and Val were when they got married?

[toasts-httyd-hyperfixation]

To answer your question, we don't know exactly how old they were when they got married

Also, its a good point about her being pregnant, and it's definitely something that you can use to have the timeline and ages make sense and be more accurate, but there are a few things

One, them announcing they're trying for a child is irrelevant because that's expected of them the moment they get married, like producing an heir, thats part of their job, they're supposed to be doing that

Two, its not inherently true that Hiccup would be considered heir as soon as he was conceived

There are places and times where that was the case with heirs, but babies weren't typically considered heir until they were born (hence the term 'firstborn' often being used) because obviously, something could happen and cause that baby not to be born, that baby might not be considered legitimate, and, regardless of your opinion on whether a fetus is a full person or not, historically, a lot of places did not consider fetuses people until they have been born, and in some cases, until they've been Confirmed

And we don't know when a baby is considered Officially the Heir in universe, but we do know A: pregnancies and life in general was dangerous for them, so there's no guarantee that the baby will even be born and B: the babies could also be a runt and therefore have to be put to death

So in my opinion, the most likely time that Hiccup was declared heir was After he had been taken to the Naming Dame, when everything is all clear and he's (supposedly) legitimized

And even if it is from conception, I don't know that the amount of time for a pregnancy strictly gives enough time for the ages to quite fit

Because pregnancies don't last multiple years, and say it was that they announced Valhallarama was pregnant when Snotlout was 3 almost 4, lets be real here, Hiccup was probably a premie so like 8ish months, that still only gets him to 4 years older

And that's assuming they know Val is pregnant from the moment he's conceived, which, you cannot know you're pregnant right away, and Vikings didn't have accurate pregnancy tests, so either they're going based off Vague Inaccurate Prediction ( which, not unlikely) or they're not really gonna know until she starts showing symptoms, and that could be anywhere from a week to over a month or more

In which case, they wouldn't be announcing it right away, there would be additional time cut out of this, so there's still not quite enough time to span the 3- possibly 6 years

So like, yes, the gestation period could have an affect, but since this was all based on the fact that in the book Snotlout specifically refers to Hiccup being Born, and then taking everything else into consideration, in my opinion, it probably isn't relevant

But regardless, yeah, it is definitely something you could use to make the ages all fit a little bit better

And just to be clear, I, obviously, am not an expert on any of this stuff, this is all based on what I came across while doing a little research into inheritance laws, so anyone who sees this, feel free to correct me if I got anything wrong or if you have anything to add

I realise none of this is probably really relevant to my original point in this set of posts, but I enjoy doing random research for funsies and I have a need to explore various concepts so, yeah 👍

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Realized I never shared this image with the masses so

enjoy :)

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the gang over on discord had seemed to like this so im bringin it here several months later

Spoilers for book 11+

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Feel like the only author I know of that I think could properly capture the Vibe, the Essence, of Httyd other than Cressida is Lemony Snicket

Something about the way they tend to make use of a more Whimsical and Silly way of writing coupled with The Horrors™️ is just so very satisfying to me

Which its also kinda funny because the stories are very different, but their core is actually Very Similar

The Well Meaning Adults are kinda dumb and Dismissive of the Children, who are constantly in Danger from Sinister Adults who take advantage of that fact, and Cycles of Events that seem to Repeat themselves, all wrapped up with themes of Hope and Kindness and Love Preserving through even The Worst of Times

I don't really have a point to this, I just think it's cool and felt like rambling a lil bit

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Woe, Fishlegs thoughts be upon ye

Throughout the entire series Fishlegs has always been very quick to assume that Hiccup is dead, even though he knows Hiccup's gotten out of so many dangerous situations and been fine, he usually jumps right into Hiccup being dead. And now this can be explained by him just being pessimistic, but more than that, I feel like its his way of trying to prep himself. His worrying and stress over them getting hurt or dying is typically played as a bit silly, but its something he's been told basically all his life, so often, that he won't make it, that he'll get hurt or killed, that something bad is going to happen to him, simply because of who he is, that its not ever far from his mind in day to day life. So his worry starts up right away and he jumps into all these things that could happen. Something starts happening and he immediately starts prepping for getting hurt or killed. And with how quickly he jumps to Hiccup being dead, it shows just how worried he is and how much it would hurt if Hiccup did actually die. Hiccup is the only thing he's had in life, and he's constantly been waiting, expecting to lose him as well. Early on, when they first became friends, it was probably just worry about Hiccup leaving and not wanting to be friends anymore, but eventually, they become such good friends, and he loves Hiccup so much, that as time goes on he doesn't worry about Hiccup leaving anymore, he's worried about Hiccup dying.

Because at least if Hiccup just stopped talking to him, he'd still be alive and ok. Even if he hated him, he'd still be there. But Hiccup sticks with him the whole time, and so all he can do is worry so much about losing him, because then what? What is he supposed to do if Hiccup dies? He has nothing, he has no one, Hiccup is the only one who cares about him, so if he loses Hiccup, he's lost everything. And that's why he assumes! That's why he jumps into Hiccup being dead every time! He jumps into it as a cushion for it; if something happens, and he assumes Hiccup is dead, then if he turns up dead later, it'll still hurt, but also he was already going through it, so because its more a confirmation, an 'i knew it, i told you so' sort of thing, it spreads out the hurt a little bit, but if he hopes that Hiccup is alive, assumes that Hiccup isn't dead, it'll hurt that much more when he finds out that he is dead. He can't afford to hope Hiccup's ok, that he'll come back, that he'll see him again, because it would hurt too badly, it would be too much to Hope only to have that come crashing down again. Its why he always stays with Hiccup no matter what, because that way, if something happens, at least they'll both be dead, and he won't have to be there without Hiccup.

No conclusion here, just Hiccup and Fishlegs.

[readerofthewilderwest]

STORYTIME: My Grandmother Waterboarded My Best Friend (Not Clickbait)

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..... is this a Fishlegs youtube video

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Uh well...

....I'm gonna have to disagree, I think I'd say they're pretty equal

[readerofthewilderwest]

they're technically different branches of the same family tbf

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Yeah lmao, that's the joke I was trying to make, I don't think it came across as well as I wanted lol

[readerofthewilderwest]

STORYTIME: My Grandmother Waterboarded My Best Friend (Not Clickbait)

[yv-sketches]

..... is this a Fishlegs youtube video

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Uh well...

....I'm gonna have to disagree, I think I'd say they're pretty equal

[asphodelus-stella-domi]

All right so I’ve been re-reading the whole series AGAIN, and this time during Book 9 some questions have come into my mind…

I’m actually doing this reread for analysis, so I’m hoping perhaps someone could help out (?) Thanks!!

1. Furious must have commanded the Red-Rage dragons to go after the sword (Dragonsword), but for what? Wouldn’t he have known that the Jewel wasn’t in it?

2. What did Grimbeard originally intended to mean by "the King shall be the Champion of Champions"? Did it really mean a champion of the yearly swordfighting competition, or was the Witch somewhat messing with it?

I don't see clear reasons why Grimbeard might have set this part up, and it didn't seem to be strictly required for becoming the King, since the Druid Guardian never brought it up in Book 12.

3. Why did Hiccup agree to go down the well and find the Crown, what was his plan? It's true that he could have fought the witch—he probably had already figured out that the witch was using Vorpent venom back then. Was he worried that she would kill his friends and his father if he refused? But then, couldn't he have prevented her from doing so?

4.What's with the metaphor about Liar Dice? I mean, what is Liar Dice anyway, how is it played, what are the rules? I need to know these to understand what this metaphor means…

5.The timeline's getting messy··· The swordfighting competition in Book 9 was on. New Year's Day, 6 months had passed between Book 9 and 10, another 2 months had passed between Book 10 and 11,while Book 11 and 12 happen during the last 4 days of Doomsday. If we assume that New Year's Day is at the start of the year and Doomsday is at the end of the year, then apparently four months have vanished into thin air.

Unless, of course, the two events do not happen to be the exact start and end of a year, so that it really was less than one year that passed… These two events were never mentioned together so I cannot be sure

Speaking of which, I wonder why we (the fandom) assume that Doomsday is on Dec.31? The exact date was not given in the books, and though history is not my strong point, I doubt that Viking calendars were the same as (or highly similar to) the ones we use now.

6…Did the whole of Book 9 not mention the Crowning of King on Tomorrow during the Twelve Days of Doomsday at all??

How could that be possible…? Surely Cressida must have planned such an important plot way before, surely she could not have come up with this spontanously?

And yet…she is writing as if whomever won the swordfighting competition would become King right then and there.

What does this mean?

[toasts-httyd-hyperfixation]

I can't answer all of these, because I dont really know for some of them but for the rest

1. There's a couple reasons, for one, the sword is a Lost Thing, for another, the sword still had the Grimbeard's will/map to the Jewel inside.

Leaving it with Hiccup is a risk, better to get it out of the way, just in case.

2. It could've just been an additional sign of sorts, but also might've been sorta made up? It's kind of unclear.

Excellinor was the one that suggested the swordfighting competition be the decider, probably because a Swordfighting Competition is more likely to get the Vikings to agree to the whole King Thing, and because Alvin had been practicing with Flashburn, so it might not strictly have been what Grimbeard meant in the first place.

It could've also just been a 2 part process, like, The Winner will be King, so you'll accept this and then go to the Official Ceremony and back them up.

Also like, Hiccup did win, even though he got disqualified, so in the whole Prophecy/Future Telling thing, Grimbeard might've put it it like "Hey, this guy will be my heir... you wont pay attention to that cause you're idiots so here's the other things that'll happen to prove this" lmao

3. Yes, he likely guessed it was vorpent venom, and he could have fought her, but I highly doubt Fishlegs and Camicazi would let him fight her on his own, and he probably didn't want to risk it not being Vorpent Venom and potentially getting them all killed.

He also had no way to know for certain that Stoick was actually in that cabinet, so if Hiccup does fight her and he's not in there, they're back to square one.

He needs the crown anyways, it's best just to go with it for now instead of risking it.

4. I dont know, I've never quite understood the Liars Dice thing lmao, someone explained it to me once but I don't remember.

As for the rules, Cressida didn't make this game up, it's an actual game thats been around for ages

5. The timeline you have listed is incorrect, some of the books have errors in the listed dates, so every so often people get really confused by it.

It's not 6 months between books 9 and 10, it's about a year

and its not 2 months between books 10 - 11, its about 1 month.

I say about because how often do we say 'a year' or 'a month' and mean exactly 1 whole year or month

Doomsday takes place Midwinter, which lines up with those dates.

As for why the assumption that Doomsday is the 31st, i think its because the full name it The Doomsday of Yule, and Yule...

...is right around that time

Technically speaking, there's also this

Which that second date would actually fit the given timeline better (about 1 year from the last new year in book 10, then about a month later in book 11) but I think End of December might've also been picked because of the 12 Days of Christmas.

6. Winning the competetion wasnt strictly necessary to be King, but like i said for #2, i think it was sorta both a 2 step process and about the Vikings being willing to accept the person as King

The Druid Guardian doesn't need to say anything about the Swordfighting Competetion because its not The Decider™️, it's not what his job is, it's not the most important thing. But he does mention Being the Chosen Representitive of the Archipelago as a thing, so again even though everyone agreeing isn't necessary, I think it's all kind of in that same vein, ya know?

Anyways, yeah 👍hope that helps somewhat lol

I got the sleepies today and I'm having trouble remembering things right off, so if anyone sees something I got wrong, please feel free to correct it

[pine-dragon]

Here's my liars dice explanation from last year. It's still very much an odd and oblique scene. Not sure I fully get it myself.

[pine-dragon]

To elaborate a little, he doesn't look at his own cup because in terms of the game, there's genuinely no point. If he isn't going to challenge The Witch, there's only one option for what the winning cup can be. He's accepting the impossible odds The Witch gave him regardless of if he can actually beat them. Him actually having five skulls under his cup implies that symbolically, yes, he can beat those odds.

[asphodelus-stella-domi]

All right so I’ve been re-reading the whole series AGAIN, and this time during Book 9 some questions have come into my mind…

I’m actually doing this reread for analysis, so I’m hoping perhaps someone could help out (?) Thanks!!

1. Furious must have commanded the Red-Rage dragons to go after the sword (Dragonsword), but for what? Wouldn’t he have known that the Jewel wasn’t in it?

2. What did Grimbeard originally intended to mean by "the King shall be the Champion of Champions"? Did it really mean a champion of the yearly swordfighting competition, or was the Witch somewhat messing with it?

I don't see clear reasons why Grimbeard might have set this part up, and it didn't seem to be strictly required for becoming the King, since the Druid Guardian never brought it up in Book 12.

3. Why did Hiccup agree to go down the well and find the Crown, what was his plan? It's true that he could have fought the witch—he probably had already figured out that the witch was using Vorpent venom back then. Was he worried that she would kill his friends and his father if he refused? But then, couldn't he have prevented her from doing so?

4.What's with the metaphor about Liar Dice? I mean, what is Liar Dice anyway, how is it played, what are the rules? I need to know these to understand what this metaphor means…

5.The timeline's getting messy··· The swordfighting competition in Book 9 was on. New Year's Day, 6 months had passed between Book 9 and 10, another 2 months had passed between Book 10 and 11,while Book 11 and 12 happen during the last 4 days of Doomsday. If we assume that New Year's Day is at the start of the year and Doomsday is at the end of the year, then apparently four months have vanished into thin air.

Unless, of course, the two events do not happen to be the exact start and end of a year, so that it really was less than one year that passed… These two events were never mentioned together so I cannot be sure

Speaking of which, I wonder why we (the fandom) assume that Doomsday is on Dec.31? The exact date was not given in the books, and though history is not my strong point, I doubt that Viking calendars were the same as (or highly similar to) the ones we use now.

6…Did the whole of Book 9 not mention the Crowning of King on Tomorrow during the Twelve Days of Doomsday at all??

How could that be possible…? Surely Cressida must have planned such an important plot way before, surely she could not have come up with this spontanously?

And yet…she is writing as if whomever won the swordfighting competition would become King right then and there.

What does this mean?

[toasts-httyd-hyperfixation]

I can't answer all of these, because I dont really know for some of them but for the rest

1. There's a couple reasons, for one, the sword is a Lost Thing, for another, the sword still had the Grimbeard's will/map to the Jewel inside.

Leaving it with Hiccup is a risk, better to get it out of the way, just in case.

2. It could've just been an additional sign of sorts, but also might've been sorta made up? It's kind of unclear.

Excellinor was the one that suggested the swordfighting competition be the decider, probably because a Swordfighting Competition is more likely to get the Vikings to agree to the whole King Thing, and because Alvin had been practicing with Flashburn, so it might not strictly have been what Grimbeard meant in the first place.

It could've also just been a 2 part process, like, The Winner will be King, so you'll accept this and then go to the Official Ceremony and back them up.

Also like, Hiccup did win, even though he got disqualified, so in the whole Prophecy/Future Telling thing, Grimbeard might've put it it like "Hey, this guy will be my heir... you wont pay attention to that cause you're idiots so here's the other things that'll happen to prove this" lmao

3. Yes, he likely guessed it was vorpent venom, and he could have fought her, but I highly doubt Fishlegs and Camicazi would let him fight her on his own, and he probably didn't want to risk it not being Vorpent Venom and potentially getting them all killed.

He also had no way to know for certain that Stoick was actually in that cabinet, so if Hiccup does fight her and he's not in there, they're back to square one.

He needs the crown anyways, it's best just to go with it for now instead of risking it.

4. I dont know, I've never quite understood the Liars Dice thing lmao, someone explained it to me once but I don't remember.

As for the rules, Cressida didn't make this game up, it's an actual game thats been around for ages

5. The timeline you have listed is incorrect, some of the books have errors in the listed dates, so every so often people get really confused by it.

It's not 6 months between books 9 and 10, it's about a year

and its not 2 months between books 10 - 11, its about 1 month.

I say about because how often do we say 'a year' or 'a month' and mean exactly 1 whole year or month

Doomsday takes place Midwinter, which lines up with those dates.

As for why the assumption that Doomsday is the 31st, i think its because the full name it The Doomsday of Yule, and Yule...

...is right around that time

Technically speaking, there's also this

Which that second date would actually fit the given timeline better (about 1 year from the last new year in book 10, then about a month later in book 11) but I think End of December might've also been picked because of the 12 Days of Christmas.

6. Winning the competetion wasnt strictly necessary to be King, but like i said for #2, i think it was sorta both a 2 step process and about the Vikings being willing to accept the person as King

The Druid Guardian doesn't need to say anything about the Swordfighting Competetion because its not The Decider™️, it's not what his job is, it's not the most important thing. But he does mention Being the Chosen Representitive of the Archipelago as a thing, so again even though everyone agreeing isn't necessary, I think it's all kind of in that same vein, ya know?

Anyways, yeah 👍hope that helps somewhat lol

I got the sleepies today and I'm having trouble remembering things right off, so if anyone sees something I got wrong, please feel free to correct it

[jusiri]

Ha ha, nice, finally, now......

what do i do with you

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Have some Pride Flag Stormflys

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OKAY HEAR ME OUT:

aroace alvin

Far too late, he's already been

Transgender as well

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why did we decide that alvin is autistic?

Well its mostly

And also the fact that saying 'Alvin's special interests are murder, murdering Hiccup, and snakes' is really funny