Yes that includes you EG!Steve Antis. Fellow Tony antis - I have anons off because of Steve antis, but if you want to send an anon, just ask for it to be anon and I will screencap and crop your name out, and post as as #asks
capitalists will literally be like "it's cheaper to address homelessness by installing hostile architecture and hoping they all die rather than giving them a place to live" and bootlickers will be like "sounds good to me"
The last one is it. You can show them the research demonstrating that it will be cheaper and they’ll say, literally HAVE said, that giving them something “before they earned it” is in some way immoral, that it’s somehow unfair or hurtful to people who have jobs, and that it will make people “lazier.” They genuinely think the threat of starvation and death is where work ethic comes from and that this is the glue holding civilization together.
They also tend to convince themselves that people who are homeless often did something to deserve it, and therefore we must keep them punished until they fix their situation by themselves.
These are murderous, sadistic, obscene views to hold and the people who choose to hold them barely have any humanity.
About 15-20 years ago I wrote and finished a 45 chapter fanfic, and shared it online. At this point, I don’t remember much about what happened in the story. I remember one scene between my favourite ship, and two of the comments I got.
One of the comments I got after the story ended - it was a compliment on something to do with how they liked how much I changed the scenery/setting. It has affected the way I write and plot my stories to this day. I don’t know if it’s because it actually is a good thing to incorporate, because it’s something I inherently like and am naturally inclined to do, or because that comment was the result of someone actually engaging with my story and having a genuine and thoughtful observation on my writing style. Either way, it’s now something that I consciously consider when plotting.
The other commenter told me that I spelt “suite” wrong. It was half my lifetime ago and I think about that one “helpful” piece of “constructive criticism” SO FUCKING OFTEN. I cannot see that word without thinking about that comment. I was probably around 12 years old, and over half my lifetime ago, and that’s what I think about most when I recall my first dedicated foray into long form writing.
I write to immerse myself in a world I love. I spent almost every evening working on that story until it was done. Since I was a literal child, I’m sure that there were pleeeeenty of flaws. One comment has either informed or reinforced my personal idea of what kind of stories I want to write or are good at writing.
Another has done literally nothing good for me. It’s told me to “know more things.” Not to use spellcheck, because “sweet” is right, it’s just the wrong one. I dread the idea of writing a word wrong and not even knowing it, and then feeling stupid just because I didn’t know what I didn’t know.
Think about the type of impact you want to have on someone when you comment on their story that they shared for free, and that you read with no obligation. Maybe you know something the writer doesn’t. Good for you. You’re not reviewing a published book. You’re picking away at someone’s hobby and passion because they made a mistake - or you perceive them to have made a mistake.
Which let’s talk about for a second - no writer has an reason to trust your opinions or knowledge. In my case, spelling “suite” vs “sweet” was pretty easy to fact check, even considering we had dial up internet. And even the most basic correction has haunted me to this day. The second you step into more subjective territory, you could have someone second guessing their creative decisions for literal decades.
What if the comment about the stories momentum had been negative? What if, instead of praising my decision, that person said they moved around too much, and could never get a feel for the current setting? Would it have taken a story device that I love and turned it into a “bad habit” I constantly battle? How would I, at 12 years old, have internalized that? How would it have affected my love of writing?
I know people hate hearing this, but unless you have something kind to say about a piece of art that someone spent time and energy on for free and shared with strangers for free, no one wants your opinions. Unless they specifically ask for constructive criticism, just shut up.
“But I’m trying to improve their story or writing! I’m doing them a favour!”
That might be your motivation, but that’s not what you’re actually doing 99.9999% of the time. And! Don’t assume that someone is writing to improve themselves or their skills. Some of us just write for fun. And! If I was trying to hone my skills, I’d want the opinion of someone I trust.
I recently had someone suggest that we should help out each other with our writing. He uses “of” instead of “have.” He’s also pretentious and Deep, and is thoroughly convinced he is right in many troubling ways. I trust him to help with my writing less than I’d trust my 12-year-old self.
Writers have no way of verifying the qualifications of every internet critic. Even if you are “right,” put aside your ego enough to realize that the writer has absolutely no reason to believe and trust you, or anyone else that has insight they just haaaave to share.
And then consider, is this the type of comment you want to follow the writer to their grave? If I absolutely need to say something, do I want it to be a nitpick, a legit and factual correction, or a subjective flaw? Or maybe I can say something affirming, and help give someone the confidence to keep investing into their hobby.
And just because I always see people argue the same things on every post like this, I just want to reaffirm...
We are talking about someone’s hobby, not someone’s job
Even if you have something productive to say, no one has any reason to believe you
Many hobby-writers aren’t actively working to improve their writing
If they were, though, they would likely look to people they trust, not the comment section
See #2
You might be convinced you’re correct, but art is subjective
See #2
If your goal in commenting is to help a writer improve, despite them not asking for your help, look for elements to compliment, not critique
I hope this doesn’t come across the wrong way. It probably will. But I just feel like I need to get this off my mind and would really like to hear other people’s opinions on mine. So I openly invite everyone to share their opinion on the matter, to criticize mine if you want to.
I agree that one should always be cautious when writing comments. Comments should not hurt the creator. Comments should never be insulting.
But I think that we lose the capability to see comments for what they really are. They are always someone’s opinion. They can not be neutral. And they are never right by default.
I, too, started writing fanfiction and drawing at a young age. I, too, published my works on the internet. I still do. I know how much a comment can devastate. I know how uplifting it can be.
If you say people should not comment if not prompted by the creator. If you say people should not express what they don’t like about a piece of art, but only what they do like. Then I cannot help but ask: Why do we put our work on public display? And do we actually have the right to demand people not reacting to it?
If I only draw and write for the fun of it, I could do so and never show it to anyone. But I choose to publish it for people to see. I want people to see it. I want people to enjoy it. I want them to have an emotion about it.
And everything published, hobby or job, becomes part of culture. Fanfictions are part of culture. Fanfiction shapes culture. Art shapes culture. It has an impact. It sparks discussion. Stories are so powerful that throughout history many regimes felt the need to ban them. Just for getting people to think the wrong way. It doesn’t matter if the author wrote them professionally or just for fun.
Our culture prides itself for freedom of speech. For allowing us to express opinions without having to fear. That means in consequence we have to endure other people’s opinions. We have to be able to deal with it. The way we encapsulate us in nice-bubbles today leaves us wounded to every little comment.
I was so hurt when I uploaded my first drawing and got a comment telling me the perspective was off, one eye too small, the contrasts too shallow. My 13-year-old self hated that mean person for implying my work was bad. I did not ask for it. I just wanted people to like it. For myself to feel there’s value to what I do. To get positive feedback. But here’s the thing: I put it out there for the world. In a way I made a statement. No deep, meaningful one. Just a pic of a girl with coloured hair, staring blankly at a spot outside the canvas. I started a kind of conversation. And people reacted.
The issue I see there isn’t with people reacting uncalled for. They were called. The issue is that we lose the ability to cope with other people. Do not talk to me unless it’s nice! That is not reality. And it is damaging to ourselves. Do not insult me, but be honest. Share your opinion. I am the one deciding if I agree. I am the one giving power to the statement. I decide if I want to listen. And if I do not want strangers to react, then I should not put my stuff out for them to see. We all had and have to learn that. I do not show a painting to my mother and then tell her to like it or shut the fuck up. But we do it with the public.
I hope this did come across the wrong way, because what I personally got was a condescending, presumptive lecture that suggests the OP wasn’t even read the entire way. I’m half tempted to just copy and past that handy little list I made but since it wasn’t read the first time, it probably won’t be again. And, since there seems to be a fundamental disagreement regarding the value of a creators intent and rights, I doubt there’s much of a productive discussion to even be had, so this is mostly for anyone else that might read this and go “Yeah! Creators shouldn’t get to ask for things!!! I’m doing this thing you don’t like for yOuR oWn gOoD!!”
Anyway, this got really long and ranty, so for a long and ranty long rant, click “keep reading.”
If you say people should not express what they don’t like about a piece of art, but only what they do like. Then I cannot help but ask: Why do we put our work on public display?
I’m baffled by this question, because you answer it yourself later on - to have an emotional impact on others. Because maybe something we love and created will be loved by others and can bring enjoyment to someone’s day. If that in and of itself isn’t enough for you, that’s fine, but don’t belittle people that gain fulfillment by sharing for the sake of sharing and for the sake of community. You don’t get to decide for others what makes a valid motivation for sharing their work. You also don’t get to assume that we’ve never “asked ourselves” why we share our work, just because we have a different philosophy and motivation than you do.
And do we actually have the right to demand people not reacting to it?
(By “reacting,” I’m going to assume you mean “leave criticism,” and you’re not pretending that I ever said we want zero feedback whatsoever, because you do contradict that assumption in the first bit I quoted.)
Um, yes? I mean, I didn’t think I demanded anything. I felt like I was asking people to consider a different perspective and providing reasons why I, and many others, would love if this became the norm, but if we’re going with “demand,” sure. I’ll go with it. (I’m also not demanding that people leave positive feedback when they don’t think there is positive feedback to leave. The most “demanding” thing I’m doing is demanding that if someone asks you to not leave a type of comment, you act like a human and respect them.)
Yes, absolutely, on your own fic, on your own blog, on your own comment section you absolutely have the right to moderate the types of comments you allow to be there. Does that mean everyone is just going to do as asked (or demanded)? Nope, sure doesn’t, never said they would, but there is a difference between rejecting reality and trying to change perceptions and generally accepted norms.
And no, creators do not have the obligation to interact with feedback the same way that PAID authors do, just because they’re both in public spaces. If people are creating and sharing something for free, they have every right to make a reasonable statement like “Concrit not welcome.” People probably won’t listen, but they are absolutely within their rights to make the request.
If I only draw and write for the fun of it, I could do so and never show it to anyone. But I choose to publish it for people to see. I want people to see it. I want people to enjoy it. I want them to have an emotion about it.
Again, we absolutely want people to connect and enjoy the work we share. I thought I was pretty clear that the positive feedback on my fic made a huge impact on me and that that was valuable and appreciated. I also never said that all positive feedback was true, I even said I wasn’t sure if that specific feedback I got was good, but that stiiiiiilllll doesn’t mean I’m obligated to indulge any and all criticism. (I thought it went without saying, but yes, my dear writers, you need to use your Big Brain and decide if even positive comments have valuable feedback, if you wish to take cues from comments at all.)
The options are not limited to 1. Share art, accept any and all constructive criticism, have value in sharing art, and 2. Share art, don’t accept any and all constructive criticism, render act of sharing art entirely valueless and don’t bother next time. If that’s how you personally feel, then you are well within your rights to continue sharing your work with your own motivations, but those aren’t the only valid motivations one could have.
It doesn’t matter if the author wrote them professionally or just for fun [because they become part of culture.]
Actually, it fucking does because some people are PAID to deal with bullshit and other people just have to endure it because they dared to make their art public. Yes, fanfic is part of culture but you do not give up your right to TRY to create the type of creative space that you want to. You definitely don’t get to shoehorn writers into interactions or obligations they’re not interested in.
No one is making the claim that fanfic doesn’t exist in public and therefor should never be commented on in the appropriate spaces.
Our culture prides itself for freedom of speech. For allowing us to express opinions without having to fear. That means in consequence we have to endure other people’s opinions.
Ah, here we begin the really condescending bits! Now it’s my turn.
Freedom of speech is protecting you from censorship the GOVERNMENT. Not little Suzie that doesn’t want to deal with someone twice her age giving her shit because her ofc is a Mary Sue. Not an adult that doesn’t want to hear the whining of some kid who can’t stomach a character being imperfect. Your freedom of speech does not apply to the comment section of another writer. Your freedom of speech, on their space, goes as far as the writer says it does. If they want to delete your comment, or not approve it, I promise you, your first amendment will not be broken. You will still be able to go onto your own space, and make your observations, assertions, grievances, what have you, about a specific story or the fanfic culture as a whole.
And, for the record, not everyone lives in America. Sorry fam, but even if this somehow did violate the first amendment (it doesn’t), I’m not freaking American, and I sure as HELL am not your governing body. It is not my job to protect your freedom of speech. I personally value free speech and the importance of it being protected from GOVERNMENT censorship, but no, being an american does not entitle you to having your opinions both wanted and heard on someone’s personal, yet public, space. Something existing in public doesn’t mean that if you wish to incorrectly exercise your first amendment, people won’t in turn, use their own voice to tell you to bugger off. Especially if you’re in their space, and doing something they specifically asked you not to.
There is absolutely nothing stopping you from discussing cultural trends, or even a specific story, in your own space, or in another space where that has been invited, and literally no one here is claiming that bigger discussions of art shouldn’t take place - which the absolutely are.
But you won’t die if you’re tragically asked to have those discussions in appropriate places, and not in the comment section of someone’s hobby.
The way we encapsulate us in nice-bubbles today leaves us wounded to every little comment.
The issue is that we lose the ability to cope with other people. Do not talk to me unless it’s nice! That is not reality. And it is damaging to ourselves.
Do not presume that the space someone wants to create around their HOBBIES is reflective of every facet of their life. People are allowed to desire “safe spaces” for themselves if they want to, and just because they have one area where they don’t want to expend an exorbitant amount of critical energy, doesn’t mean that is indicative of their entire lives. Maybe some people have crazy demanding jobs, studies, families, social circles, and want O N E area where they don’t have to expend a lot of mental energy. Maybe they just genuinely don’t give a shit if Jack from Kentucky doesn’t like the way a romance is progressing.
The way someone behaves in a professional setting, in a family setting, in a friendship setting, in an artistic setting where they are being taught by a professional, and an artistic setting they indulge in in their spare time, will be WILDLY different. People are not one dimensional robots that only have one set of preferences. The feedback I want from boss is very different than the feedback i want from my coworkers. The feedback I would expect from my editor is world’s apart from the feedback I would even entertain for from tumblr-acct-69. The feedback from my beta readers is not the same as the feedback i have the energy to indulge from anyone with an internet connection.
You don’t get to make the assumption that because in one area, some writer’s want to create a place where they can share their hobbies without it turning into open season, that they’re overly sensitive babies, incapable of critical thought, and therefore, everyone should go ahead and comment whatever criticism they have because you know what the artist needs, and that’s more important that what the writer wants. Maybe someone is an overly sensitive baby. It’s still not anyone’s place to make that judgment call and decide they know better, and therefor, they won’t respect the writer. Maybe someone has really bad anxiety but they get a TON of fulfillment from the positive comments they get, but genuinely cannot handle negative feedback. Is negative feedback a reality that they will be forced to deal with, despite their efforts? Yes. But that doesn’t mean it’s okay when people blatantly ignore someones simple request. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to bring about the change we wish to see. You can accept reality is what it is without enabling or challenging it.
Because here’s the thing - no one here is making a claim that no one should ever leave criticism. We’re asking, hoping, that one day the default will change from “leave criticism unless explicitly asked not to” to “don’t leave criticism unless the writer explicitly invites it.” I mean, it’s basic Consent 101 logic.
Is it really a huge burden to ask that writers communicate their wishes to their readers? A ton of them already do. It usually goes like this:
“Contrit welcome!”
That’s it. That’s the secret key to all of this. Two words, and respecting one’s wishes.
I do not show a painting to my mother and then tell her to like it or shut the fuck up. But we do it with the public.
I mean...could that be because you trust your mother and know that she’ll give you fair and valuable feedback?
Yeah, sorry honey, I’m not giving the entire internet as a whole the same level of vulnerability and open-mindedness as someone that I know and trust. That was KIND OF the point of #4 in that handy dandy list - that if we wanted feedback, we would probably go to someone we know and trust. If you want to sift through every single critical comment that Joe Schmoe leaves, that is your right. No one is threatening that. If you have the energy to examine and determine the value of every critical comment you ever receive, then power to you. No one here is threatening your freedom of speech. No one here is going to dictate the type of comments you accept in your own space. Just allow us the same thing.
That said, here is a different scenario for you. Say your coworker brings in some baked goods. No one asked them to, they weren’t obligated to. They could’ve kept them at home and eaten every last morsel themselves. But they enjoy baking and felt like sharing with her coworkers to hopefully brighten their day.
If you don’t like the baking, are you going to actually go up to her and give her a fucking yelp review? Probably not, because i assume you’re not an entitled dick. If you don’t like it, most likely you’re going to discreetly toss it and thank her for sharing. It’s generally accepted that it’s rude af to critique things the people around us share for our benefit. Now, if she is trying to perfect a recipe and asks for honest feedback, that’s a different story. I don’t know why people are so reticent to give writers the same level of respect as someone sharing fucking cookies.
All we want is to have the option to say “This type of comment isn’t welcome, and I would prefer you didn’t leave any of that nature,” and to one day, have it respected. I mean, maybe one day we don’t even need to ask, and it’ll be on you to say “All types of comments are welcome.”
Does that mean that, if today I explicitly say I’m not here for concrit, that people won’t still leave it, and that my Matrix will break because i’m sooooo dumb and naive as to actually expect people to hear a valid, simple request and respect it? Nope, and the attitude in your response is exactly why - everyone knows better than the writer. Everyone except the writer knows exactly what they need, and teaching them, whether or not they’re using comments as a learning tool, whether or not you have something valuable to share, is more important than respecting another human being, sharing their hobby out of the goodness of their heart, simply saying “I don’t want that.”
And if I do not want strangers to react, then I should not put my stuff out for them to see.
Again, it’s not that we don’t want to connect with readers, but we should be able to make a reasonable request of “don’t like, don’t read” (which, interestingly, i saw you say to your followers in the post immediately before this reblog, where you also told your readers what kind of things they shouldn’t “worry about” or, in other words, what kind of criticism you didn’t welcome. So I’m not sure what your beef with my post is because for all intents and purposes, we want the same thing - to tell people what kind of comments we welcome and what we don’t! Or do you get to say “don’t give me criticism about this” is different enough than “don’t give me criticism in general,” therefor it’s okay? If so, how do we decide which request to respect and which to ignore? If someone says “I didn’t research this, and I’m not going to, so don’t bother telling me it’s wrong,” is it our duty to exercise our freedom of speech and tell them it’s blatantly wrong, for their own good? Because that seems to be what you are asking for in this post, but not in your own right before it.) and have a reasonable expectation of respect.
No one is saying that everyone is going to just get on board, but what you see as an opportunity for growth, is for some of us, just a shitty aspect of our hobby that we would like to change. There’s no reason why we can’t coexist, except for how offended some people are when it’s suggested that they *checks notes* communicate that they’re open to concrit.
Challenging the status quo ≠ rejecting the realities of a situation. Accepting the realities of the situation ≠ status quo isn’t worth challenging. But saying “Welp, you put it out there so put up or shut up!” is not productive. There is a middle ground here where we can prepare writers, especially young ones, what is likely to happen in their inbox regardless of the quality of their story, and aiming for a community that just...fucking respects writers. That’s it. At the heart of the matter, that is the end goal.
In summary: If a writer says they do not want concrit, please be a human being and respect it, even if you think it’s dumb, or naive, or harmful to the writer. It is not your job to force-feed writers feedback that they do not want. You literally are not their Mother. It’s not on you to raise them.
Just as writers have to weigh the value of any positive comment they receive, it’s on them to weigh the value of the type of feedback they do and don’t want. If we’re going to trust writers to evaluate the quality and validity of any specific comment they receive, we also have to trust writers to evaluate comments in a broader sense. We don’t get to decide that “You’re capable of evaluating this, but you’re not capable of evaluating that, so I’m going to give you something you don’t want because i think you and society need it.” Do not assume you know better than them. You might! But it’s still not your place to blatantly reject someone’s request because you know better. And frankly, it doesn’t matter if you trust them or not - you. are. not. their. mother! If they’re making shitty fucking decisions, THAT’S OKAY.
Are you technically allowed to leave whatever comments you want? Sure are! Does that mean you’re an asshole if you leave comments that you are specifically asked not to leave? Sure does! Are you the devil incarnate if you’ve left concrit when it wasn’t specifically welcomed? Nope. Is there a whole other discussion to be had about how people can’t even agree on what “concrit” encompasses? Tragically, yes.
But MAYBE I have convinced at least a couple people to view criticism in fanfic differently, and MAYBE I have helped move an itty bitty portion of the community to a place where both people who want, and people who don’t want, concrit, can coexist happily. MAYBE I have convinced someone that really values concrit from strangers to realize that someone else not valuing it doesn’t invalidate their art, and it doesn’t *checks notes again because i’m a one-trick pony* ...threaten free speech...
And also that it’s an asinine slippery-slope fallacy to go from “some individual hobbyists don’t want concrit from the internet” to “censorship will ruin the art community so maybe we should totally ignore the wishes of individuals contributing to the fanfic community for free out of respect of the first amendment.”
Also also, I find it incredibly funny, and quite the perfect microcosm, that I went through the effort of that stupid list in the (clear, i thought) hopes of quelling this exact discussion taking over the post, like I see with every other post that discusses this, and someone else is literally inviting the exact discourse I was trying to avoid, onto my post. But I guess it’s for the betterment of silly ol’ me, hoping that maybe everyone would be like, “Huh, I guess if one segment of one creative community doesn’t like unsolicited concrit and they made a list of exactly why they don’t like it, we should respect their wishes as voluntary contributors, and carry on knowing that nothing they’re suggesting would remove an aspect of the creative process that I do like to partake in.” Not surprised, just disappointed.
Nope, it’s not enough that people can get concrit if they want it. They also need to force it onto other creators that don’t, and give permission to assholes that absolutely need to have their opinions heard, to ignore very basic requests.
This is why I’m probably gonna just not be on tumblr for a while after it comes out. I am so excited for it and I can’t wait to see the new Cap and get more of Bucky and I will not let fandom ruin this for me
Ok so the endgame dicourse is back in full force bc of Seb Stan's insta story
And I don't mind, because opinions, but I'd like to state mine again oo. Lots of rambling becaus it's suoer late
Given the movie restraints (Evans' contract) and therefore the need to find some way to get rid of Steve besides killing him, i think they did it pretty well?
If he stayed in the future y'all would crucify him because he wouldn't appear in the coming battles so. That one's outta the window.
Dying/sacrificing himself would also be a pretty bad ending because that would make Steve's arc even more pointless than what people claim the canon one is.
The only thing that comes to mind is having him deserumed somehow so he can't actively participate in battles anymore but he'd still find a way, somehow, because he's Steve sksksk so yeah I'd take that one
So yeah, the ending wasn't really bad at all? It's an open sandbox for you to play in and if you headcanon Steve to be a homewrecker or the devil incarnate, well, that sounds like a 'you' problem
Can’t say I’ve ever looooved sebstan, but all I can think when I read his complaint is that he’s just another dumbass that thought Steve was never allowed leave Bucky’s side, even though his own character hasn’t been by Steve’s side for fucking YEARS. Voluntarily! Boo fucking who, your fave isn’t dictating huge life choices and once in a lifetime opportunities.
God, I’m so glad Bucky is more understanding and less self-centered than seb.
Am I being a noob and completely missing something here? I keep seeing people saying he’s criticising the ending when all I see is a screenshot of someone hating on Steve’s ending and he’s put a shocked face emoji over it. Is there some text or sound that I’m missing? I’m not the best at IG so it’s possible I’m missing something, but if I’m not it seems like there may be some epic misinterpretation going on here
It totally could be, I’ll admit. I just don’t see why he’d post that if he didn’t agree with it to an extent? Maybe I’m the noob, but usually people don’t post stuff that they disagree with, without at least implying that they disagree with it.
That said, my original reply was written before I realized that Seb himself didn’t actually say anything, so I’d probably word it a bit differently now that I know it was just a screencap
Fair enough. I just jumped on this post because I was looking for one to comment on about it, but I get thinking something when literally everyone’s taking it like that (I did at first as well), particularly with the non-stop shit storm those of us who still actually like Steve have had to endure for the past *checks calendar* NINE MONTHS. It makes one edgy about things.
I hope he addresses this at some point because it’s blowing up and if he has been misinterpreted I’d very much like to know.
This was definitely a *throw my hands up in the air and Scream because I’ve had it up to here* reaction. I hope he clears it up, too, cause if he genuinely does agree with that post, I’m quitting. I cannot deal with Bucky stans getting even more obnoxious with added bravely from the belief that they’re just defending buckyseb. That said, a lot of the damage is probably already done. Even if he backtracks, people are just going to chalk it up to Disney telling him what to do. I’m just. I’m tired. Getting pissed off about tonky is one thing, but the energy to constantly defend Steve *checks notes* getting to grow old with someone of his choosing, is a lot.
Ok so the endgame dicourse is back in full force bc of Seb Stan's insta story
And I don't mind, because opinions, but I'd like to state mine again oo. Lots of rambling becaus it's suoer late
Given the movie restraints (Evans' contract) and therefore the need to find some way to get rid of Steve besides killing him, i think they did it pretty well?
If he stayed in the future y'all would crucify him because he wouldn't appear in the coming battles so. That one's outta the window.
Dying/sacrificing himself would also be a pretty bad ending because that would make Steve's arc even more pointless than what people claim the canon one is.
The only thing that comes to mind is having him deserumed somehow so he can't actively participate in battles anymore but he'd still find a way, somehow, because he's Steve sksksk so yeah I'd take that one
So yeah, the ending wasn't really bad at all? It's an open sandbox for you to play in and if you headcanon Steve to be a homewrecker or the devil incarnate, well, that sounds like a 'you' problem
Can’t say I’ve ever looooved sebstan, but all I can think when I read his complaint is that he’s just another dumbass that thought Steve was never allowed leave Bucky’s side, even though his own character hasn’t been by Steve’s side for fucking YEARS. Voluntarily! Boo fucking who, your fave isn’t dictating huge life choices and once in a lifetime opportunities.
God, I’m so glad Bucky is more understanding and less self-centered than seb.
Am I being a noob and completely missing something here? I keep seeing people saying he’s criticising the ending when all I see is a screenshot of someone hating on Steve’s ending and he’s put a shocked face emoji over it. Is there some text or sound that I’m missing? I’m not the best at IG so it’s possible I’m missing something, but if I’m not it seems like there may be some epic misinterpretation going on here
It totally could be, I’ll admit. I just don’t see why he’d post that if he didn’t agree with it to an extent? Maybe I’m the noob, but usually people don’t post stuff that they disagree with, without at least implying that they disagree with it.
That said, my original reply was written before I realized that Seb himself didn’t actually say anything, so I’d probably word it a bit differently now that I know it was just a screencap
Ok so the endgame dicourse is back in full force bc of Seb Stan's insta story
And I don't mind, because opinions, but I'd like to state mine again oo. Lots of rambling becaus it's suoer late
Given the movie restraints (Evans' contract) and therefore the need to find some way to get rid of Steve besides killing him, i think they did it pretty well?
If he stayed in the future y'all would crucify him because he wouldn't appear in the coming battles so. That one's outta the window.
Dying/sacrificing himself would also be a pretty bad ending because that would make Steve's arc even more pointless than what people claim the canon one is.
The only thing that comes to mind is having him deserumed somehow so he can't actively participate in battles anymore but he'd still find a way, somehow, because he's Steve sksksk so yeah I'd take that one
So yeah, the ending wasn't really bad at all? It's an open sandbox for you to play in and if you headcanon Steve to be a homewrecker or the devil incarnate, well, that sounds like a 'you' problem
Can’t say I’ve ever looooved sebstan, but all I can think when I read his complaint is that he’s just another dumbass that thought Steve was never allowed leave Bucky’s side, even though his own character hasn’t been by Steve’s side for fucking YEARS. Voluntarily! Boo fucking who, your fave isn’t dictating huge life choices and once in a lifetime opportunities.
God, I’m so glad Bucky is more understanding and less self-centered than seb.
“fiction is a place suitable for exploring dark topics” and “immoral acts shouldn’t be glorified and normalized in fiction” are statements that can and should coexist
It’s not really a competition but evans is out there trying to inact actual progress in his country, and ratdj is financially supporting an organization trying to turn C H I L D R E N into international FRANCHISES and said organization recycles YouTube content which has absolutely zero labor laws to make sure actual children aren’t working full time jobs. Which they are.
So if it was a competition, p sure evans would win with a landslide.
imagine if Wanda hadn’t stopped Pietro, and he had finally broken Tony’s neck in 2015. then Pietro would be alive now, Sokovia would be intact, there would be no civil war, and the Avengers would continue to take revenge on Hydra happily ever after.
