[frankendykes-monster]

[suchusoid]

I bring a certain "iron man is a character made originally as capitalist propaganda that has since become and iverrated, annoying, and overly favored character that has done many terribke things that he has yet to truly answer for" enrergy to the party that mcu fans din't like.

[waluigitheanti]

Tony: *attempts to shoot Bucky with a rocket that blows up half the facility when it misses in Civil War*

Tony stans: This is NOT attempted murder! Don’t call it that! If he’d managed to hit Bucky with that rocket, there probably would’ve been absolutely nothing left of him, but that’s not attempted murder! He was just trying to subdue Bucky.

[heterophobiccarol]

moodboard of tony kidnapping peter in civil war

[anti-scooped-bagels]

my weapons that kill people killed Americans??

- basically tony stark through the MCU

[waluigitheanti]

Lex Luthor in Powerless wanting to build a “space wall” to keep the aliens out vs Tony Stark wanting to build a “suit of armour” around the world to keep the aliens out

Lex Luthor in Young Justice wanting to make a hero registry so he can control superheroes (and he is a member of the UN) vs Tony Stark supporting the UN making the Sokovia Accords so they can control people with superpowers

Lex Luthor in the DCEU trying to justify murders & murder attempts by saying Superman didn’t save him from his father’s abuse vs Tony Stark trying to use HYDRA killing his parents to justify attempting to murder Steve & Bucky, because HYDRA used Bucky to do it

Lex’s Lexosuit vs Tony Stark’s Iron Man suit (they’re especially similar in recent things like the Supergirl show)

Lex in Young Justice creating his own superhero team that is under his control in order to further his political aspirations by having them appear to do better than the Justice League vs Tony Stark using Peter Parker to fight for his political beliefs (without telling Peter about any of it) by having him help fight Steve & company

Lex Luthor creating Conner Kent in an attempt to create a weapon against Superman but Conner ends up being a hero vs Tony Stark creating Vision specifically to fight Ultron but Vision immediately proves he’s a better person than Tony by being deemed worthy of Mjolnir (and then later reproving it by not supporting the Sokovia Accords in the end)

Lex Luthor creating Metallo (in some continuities) vs Tony Stark creating Ultron

Stop saying that Tony is Marvel’s Batman he’s clearly Marvel’s Lex Luthor.

[legalandnotease]

Speaking of Tony being a villain. I saw this: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/5e/29/13/5e291372f2e22673d2e625d0bba4063f.jpg

And I have a few questions…

If he was right and the Accords were so good, why did he break them immediately when they stopped working for him 🤔? Why instead of waiting for the UN Council's decision, as the Accords ordered, did he fly to Siberia on his own, making an independent decision that went against them 🤔? Why did he decide to break the Accords and invade the land of an independent country to execute Bucky, denying him the right to a trial without the consent of the government and the council🤔?

Wait… So the Accords are only good when they work for him and when they stop working, he can break the law, because he's a billionaire who will never be convicted for anything anyway? What a shock 😲

Yes. This.

It is a source of endless amusement for me when Tony fans try to defend The Accords on the grounds of "accountability", because the only person in the movie who *isn't* held accountable for anything he did is Tony Stark.

So basically the pro-Accords people are about Accountability for everyone *except* Tony Stark. Yeah so the rich not being held responsible for their actions, being above the law and allowed to get away with murder. Hmmm okay- and I should support this --why?

[legalandnotease]

It's crazy that people think Bucky should apologize to Tony for Hydra murdering his parents (at Bucky's unwitting hands), but no one talks about Tony apologizing to Bucky for the fact that everything that happened in CA:CW was literally his fault :/

Tony made the decision to create Ultron -> Ultron destroyed Sokovia -> Zemo lost his family and decided to get revenge -> he murdered T'Chaka and framed Bucky -> Bucky was used to get revenge on the Avengers

For some reason, the movie chose to portray it as if Zemo held everything more against Steve than Tony, who literally CREATED ULTRON, so no one sees it...

Bucky lost his home, was almost murdered several times, beaten, exiled to Wakanda and all of this is a consequence of Tony deciding to build a murderbot behind the Avengers' backs…

Hi Nonny

As far as I am concerned, Tony should have been made to formally apologize to Bucky *and* given him compensation.

Not just because of Ultron and all that happened to Bucky as a result (although there's a case to be made for financial compensation on that basis) but also because Howard Stark recruited the man who tortured and mutilated Bucky in the first place.

Zola was working for Howard when they sawed off what was left of Bucky's left arm and froze him. Whether he knew about it or not, Howard Stark and SHIELD baically indirectly funded the Winter Soldier Program.

I believe as the heir of Howard Stark, Tony should have been forced to compensate Bucky and indeed other victims of SHIELDRA on that basis alone. Maybe Ava Starr and Hank Pym as well, since Howard attempted to steal and weaponize Hank's tech.

[superohclair]

one of the reasons I don't fuck with the MCU anymore is the over emphasis on RDJ's Iron Man. it's extremely annoying, and I've now come to absolutely despite Tony Stark's centrality in everything in the MCU. it's so undeserved and a complete obliteration of his actual character and the rest of the characters. imagine retconning Ben Parker's role in Peter's life like this.

[korkiekenobiconfirmed]

when I say i'm team cap I don't just mean i'm anti-accords. in fact, the accords were terrible but i don't think putting restrictions on US governmental overreach is a terrible idea, keeping in mind that the avengers as a group are gov't) sponsored). i'm fully anti-tony stark in every sense of the word because he was in the wrong for that entire movie. he signed the accords because he felt guilty about ultron (his fault, btw) and damn the consequences for everyone else affected by them. he brought a 15 year-old into international conflict without explaining the real issues, only telling him that cap was in the wrong and using peter's trust in him as a weapon. he broke the accords as soon as he thought he had a good reason to. he was going to let sam, clint, wanda and scott rot in a maximum security prison for the same crime he committed. he shot sam point-blank in the chest after rhodey got hit even though he was the one who ordered vision to shoot sam down in the first place - rhodey was collateral. he went after bucky despite the fact that when he killed his parents he was brainwashed.

[lukreziaaa]

“But Tony listened to all the voicemails because he knew stuff people told him like the churros thing.” Yeah and he used it to be mean.

“Technically it was Happy’s job to control Peter and he sucked at it.” Yeah but also the man that blackmailed Peter into entering a world bigger than his (which is friendly neighbourhood spiderman) should’ve been more present.

“He didn’t ignore Peter’s worries! He sent the FBI!” Without telling him, giving Peter the impressions that nobody believed him and that he needed to find more evidence.

“Tony told him to back off.” After dragging him into this story!!! Peter was happy swinging around, saving his people! And then the dude arrived, blackmailed him, kidnapped him, forced him into something without explanation and told him “okay bye.”

[legalandnotease]

How not to act when you have a bad take on the internet

Once upon a time, a person on X had a hideously bad take. They thought Bucky Barnes was a bad person who signed up to the army in WW2 because he liked killing and preseumbly worked for HYDRA willingly as well.

This is callled fart-sniffing. A person who has become so conceited and self-absorbed they think thier ideas are superior to everyone else's and contrary to what the evidence says.

Anyway when people questioned their bad take which proves the movies went over their head, this user decided to double down. Instead of admitting they might be wrong or reconsidering in light of the evidence they decided to attack everyone who didn't agree.

....and proclaim that obviously everyone who *doesn't* think Bucky is a bad person who just does bad stuff because he likes killing is just stupid and can't tolerate criticism of Bucky.

Clearly they think he's perfect and has no flaws. (Also they llike to throw in long words llke "infantilize" without context because because it they think it makes them sound smart.)

Not that their take is contradicted by like.... everything we are shown across 5 movies.

One of their friends stumbled across this thing called *evidence which didn't support their position*. What oh what to do about this insurmountable obstacle?

Easy: reinterpret it to fit your opinion. Stan Lee said Bucky was one of the good guys because he *used* to be a one-dimensional bad guy who served HYDRA willingly but changed (because Sam gave such a good inspirational speech).

The end. Pay heed to this cautionary tale.

[cloudyaang]

it has always been baffling to me that team iron man has so many shooters. like i get that majority of team iron man supporters are only on his team because of who he has on it but i dont get how anyone could genuinely think tony was in the right about anything in civil war. steve was 100% right about the accords and tony’s hypocritical ass was only in support of them because of his guilt about sokovia, which he was projecting onto the team. then tony goes and blackmails a child into fighting on his team without really giving peter the full context before he goes and breaks the accords himself. the only thing tony was remotely right about was that the avengers (mainly him because sokovia and by extension johannesburg was his fault) needing accountability, but the accords as they were was the wrong way to do it. nevermind the fact that tony wanted them to sign their autonomy over to ross, who’s negligence and own agendas lead to the creation of the hulk and the abomination which saw bruce go on the run for years.

as someone who has also read a fair amount of mcu fics over the years, it has always annoyed me so much how team iron man supporters baby tony stark and villainise team cap because they dared to disagree with the narcissistic man child. i will skip basically any fic that has ‘not team cap friendly’ tagged cause it’s just absurd to me the way people portray team cap. tony stark is an incredibly flawed character and it just irks me the way his fans overlook all of his flaws and villainise anyone who doesnt worship the ground he walks on.

i’ve always believed that steve was right about the accords and that he should’ve at least told tony about bucky killing his parents, but now i dont even think steve had any obligation to tell tony that. bucky was steve’s best friend who had been a brainwashed POW for 70 years, and steve was loyal to bucky before anyone else. steve’s relationship with tony was tumultuous at best with tony always keeping steve at arms length because of things that werent even steve’s fault and he wouldnt at least hear steve out about the doctor, and people think steve shouldve just thrown bucky under the bus to tony? there is no easy way to tell someone that their parents didnt die the way they thought they did and that they were actually assassinated by your best friend. tony is volatile and unpredictable so there is no guarantee that he wouldn’t have tried to kill bucky regardless of how he found out about his parents. so steve was right to protect bucky from a hostile variable when it wasnt really bucky who killed tony’s parents. tony did deserve to know the truth about his parents, but steve wasnt obligated to give him that.

[imperiuswrecked]

i know ur a namor lover and same here but!! i have to vent a bit cause coming from being an mcu fan and getting into comics im supremely confused at certain characters but mainly tony, it’s like every time i read and he comes up i get pissed off. namor pls kill him.

Oh he tried. lmao.

Iron Man (1968) #25

Illuminati (2006)

Tales of Suspense #80

Invincible Iron Man (2008) #12

Tales to Astonish #82

Iron Man (1968) #54

I'm a Tony Stark/Iron Man hater, so its funny to see my fave constantly beating his ass. I hate the mcu and how everything revolves around Tony, but I do love Talokan Namor. The mcu is different than the comics, specifically in regards to Namor, his backstory was changed to a Mayan origin instead of an Atlantean one, but the characterization, Namor being an anti hero, a ruler, and protector of his people, etc. is still the same.

If you need any help reading Namor comics, I have guides on my namor blog @namorthesubmariner

[korkiekenobiconfirmed]

steve rogers stronger than me, because if I was operating off a newfound distrust of government agencies (after finding out my employer was infiltrated by nazis for decades) then my coworker insisted that I and several of my loved ones sign our bodies and lives over to the united nations because "we" need to be held accountable (he almost caused the death of the human race like a year prior)...yeah I'd go ballistic

accountability is all fine and good but it's so easy for someone like tony to say. he can hand over his iron man tech and that's the end of it, but for people like steve and wanda whose literal bodies are considered weapons, they'd probably live the rest of their lives under extreme scrutiny and surveillance

[simplystarrysky]

This is a genuine 100% not in bad faith question for team Tony/pro Slovakia accords. Why was Steve in the wrong? This is genuinely not me saying anything in bad faith This is JUST what I know as someone who has literally not watched anything mcu ever.

From what I gather, basically anyone who has powers would be forced to register with the government and would not be able to use those powers without government permission. That...doesn't seem like a good thing???? It sounds very tyrannical actually?? Like forcing people against their will to sign with a government (and what sounds like their rights to use their own powers??) Doesn't seem like something a select group of people should decide for the fate of EVERYONE after them? I get they need reform but like from what I gather it doesn't seem like Steve was in the wrong. And someone said Tony broke the accorda himself which...only further adds to they don't sound like a good idea AT ALL. So genuinely curious, why team Tony?

[nudityandnerdery]

So we can stop waffling on whether Pratt is an idiot, right?