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"this post transcends language XD" but it's a post with no english cognates at all
this transcends language
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hellooooo i hope you don't mind using you to understand some comments i found in a youtube music video of a malay song in chinese . so a person wrote "AI 永远无法完全替代人类的证明之一" and the creator answered "其实我们是AI,最美丽的爱" and with the translation of youtube the answer doesn't make a lot of sense? i think there's something i'm missing. thaaanks
Makes more sense if you know "love" (爱) in Chinese is pronounced "ài". Basically, it's wordplay!
Comment: proof AI will never be able to completely replace human beings OP: Actually, we are "AI"—love which is most beautiful. (the most beautiful AI)
I've been reading this monograph called Chinese Dreams by Eric Hayot which is my favourite thing rn, and it talks a lot about different approaches of translating classical Chinese poetry and the philosophies behind them. In one chapter, the book gave three completely different translations of the same poem by three professional writers/translators. I want to share them here and I'm curious to hear which version people find to be the best/feels the most authentic:
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Green grows the grass upon the bank, The willow-shoots are long and lank. A lady in a glistening gown Opens the casement and looks down. The roses on her cheek blush bright, Her rounded arm is dazzling white; A singing girl in early life And now a careless roué's wife … Ah, if he does not mind his own, He'll find someday the bird has flown!
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Blue, blue is the grass about the river And the willows have overfilled the close garden. And within, the mistress, in the midmost of her youth, White, white of face, hesitates, passing the door. Slender, she puts forth a slender hand And she was a courtezan in the old days, And she has married a sot, Who now goes drunkenly out And leaves her too much alone
3.
Green, green, The grass by the river-bank. Thick, thick, The willow trees in the garden. Sad, sad, The lady in the tower. White, white, Sitting at the casement window. Fair, fair, Her red-powdered face. Small, small, She puts out her pale hand. Once she was a dancing-house girl, Now she is a wandering man's wife. The wandering man went, but did not return. It is hard alone to keep an empty bed.
So I said at first that option number one reads best to me offhand, but on second thoughts I wanted to know what the original poem was like and then look at these renditions again. So here's the version I would share with someone who has watched a Chinese period costume drama at least ONCE in their lives.
青青河畔草 - green, green is the grass by the riverbank
by Unknown (202 BCE - 220 CE), second of the Nineteen Old Poems
青青河畔草 鬱鬱園中柳 qīng qīng hé pàn cǎo yù yù yuán zhōng liǔ Verdant is the grass by the riverbank, luxuriant, the willows in the garden.
盈盈樓上女 皎皎當窗牖 yíng yíng lóu shàng nǚ jiǎo jiǎo dāng chuāng yǒu Graceful is the lady there on the upper floor, luminous before the window -
娥娥紅粉妝 纖纖出素手 é é hóng fěn zhuāng xiān xiān chū sù shǒu lovely in her rouge and powder, delicate fingers on her fair hand extended.
昔為倡家女 今為蕩子婦 xī wèi chàng jiā nǚ jīn wéi dàng zǐ fù Once the daughter of a performing House, now the wife of a wayfarer -
蕩子行不歸 空床難獨守 dàng zǐ xíng bù guī kōng chuáng nán dú shǒu a wayfarer who has not returned, with an empty bed hard to mind alone.
Side note: Wondering what a house which allows one to stand at the window to both be seen by the passers by outside and observe the garden would look like, I looked for Han dynasty tomb rubbings and grave good miniatures as examples. Here is one excavated in Henan!
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The first translation with its vaguely medieval - or at the very least trying for amorphously historical imagery through words like glistening gown, casement, roué - seems to be adapted for readers who have never watched a cdrama in their lives and cannot imagine what a Han dynasty setting might look like. The translator probably swapped out the context for a more localized feel to their own culture’s historical settings... Making every sentence’s middle and end rhyme was a little silly and creates this funny sing-song effect when read aloud, but then so is the unserious tone of the original and the doubled words in its first three lines has a similar effect. Anyway, I’m not a fan of the localisation, but it was interesting to see the scene transplanted thus.
It was amusing to see 盈盈, which elsewhere in the Nineteen Poems is indeed used as a descriptor for the silver river (aka the milky way), envisioned by the translator as ‘glistening’ here. They also might have understood it in the brimming/overflowing sense and associated it with her figure as they pictured her ‘rounded arm’. There’s no other logical explanation and place to derive it. 纖纖 can only mean slender! I also don’t believe ‘careless roué’ is the description for a 荡子 in this context, but can understand the choice.
Overall I appreciated ‘Ah, if he does not mind his own, / He'll find someday the bird has flown’ the most because it shows his own understanding of the poem (It’s a Han Dynasty suggestive pop song and he knows it!). And locking in is always a fun choice to make when translating!
The second one is a piece of work…🤣 I’m not sure it can be called a translation because it has remixed nearly every line, but not quite in a manner creative enough to be considered derivative? They’re writing an AU where ‘the mistress’ is a lonely little nightingale in a cage with a drunken owner by funhouse mirror style paraphrasing. Unlike the first one, I can’t tell what they’re going for at all here? It’s like someone gave them one of those word by word lists of definitions of each sentence for beginners, and they cherry picked what they liked to construct a story. Taken as a translation, what a mess! LOL. Downvote! Downvote!
Special callout to the most choices of choices, ‘Blue, blue is the grass…’, ‘courtezan’ spelled with a z (it’s giving 1700s) and ‘a sot’.
The only quarter point for effort I’ll give is for the bending over backwards to nod at the original’s structure xD 青青 blue, blue / 鬱鬱 willows, overfilled (????) / 盈盈 mistress, midmost / 皎皎 white, white (really????) / (娥娥 line was skipped entirely -0.25pts) / 纖纖 slender, slender hand.
What to say about the third one.
I mentioned the word-for-word for learners earlier, this is like that, except certain ‘definitions’ seem completely pulled from thin air, with no corresponding words in the original. ‘Sad, sad’ is an invention. ‘Casement’ is an invention.
It’s not trying to be a creative work, but it’s also not being entirely faithful.
Overall, directionless and the worst of the lot!
the kind of specific vocabulary one may end up learning...
Here’s how I learned Mandarin in only 3 months
I didn’t. Bro this shit’s hard as fuck
found a chinese/english bilingual joke website while I was bumming around on cloudhiker (the new stumbleupon) and thought of you: https://bilingualjokes.com/
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OMG YOU GUYS LOOK AT THIS ABSOLUTE GEM OF A SITE
I don't know a lot of hanzi yet but i get this joke! I get it! I am screamlaughing at a pun! I hate puns! Turns out I only hate them in English!
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请勿 (qǐng wù): please do not (very common phrase in signs and announcements in China)
bro it was only supposed to be some random BL with little to no meaningful impact on my life and now i'm on HSK 3
speaking of chinese horse memes this one is still my absolute favorite and at the risk of killing the joke by explaining it i must at least try to translate
loosely—
panel 1: 有句话不知当讲不当讲 (i have something to report but i don't know whether i should tell you or not) panel 2: 马上讲 (tell me immediately) panel 3: 之前的情报有误 (there was an error in an earlier report)
and the keywords here are 马上 in the second panel, which put together mean "immediately" but individually mean horse (马) and up or on (上)
so 马上讲 can both mean "tell me immediately" and, more literally, "tell me on the horse"
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who is still active? I'd like to try and get involved a bit more again now that my time studying in taiwan is coming to an end and I need motivation and community outside the classroom once more!!
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chinese language learners ! so someone ik works on this language exchange platform tokimonki (for chinese / english language exchange) and word rn is there has been an influx of chinese native speakers who want to learn english, but this means an imbalance and there are not enough english speakers who are trying to learn mandarin chinese - so pspsps apparently now is a good time to join for chinese learners, there is like a free trial or smth, if you are looking for this type of method to practice spoken chinese. the platform has pre-prepped materials to help you avoid awkward convos, but there is sorta a pre-req requirement that you need to have a certain intermediate-ish level of chinese first to do exchange seshs. anyway just putting it out there since ik a lot of language exchange usually has too many english first language speakers and not the other way around , hope this reaches the right people