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How do you feel about the "Majin Vegeta = midlife crisis" that's being parroted in the fandom lately? Imo it's much more of an identity crisis of a war veteran who is relapsing and adrenaline seeking, as many, many vets irl do, and it's something very specific to Vegeta's particular psychology and background, not an universal thing. But someone started this idea and people are just repeating it thouthlessly even though it has nothing in common with how actual midlife crises manifest.
So, a midlife crisis is an identity crisis. I think it's commonly represented as just a selfish dad in his 40s who's mad he has kids instead of the hotrod he wanted in his 20s, but it is a genuine mental breakdown. It can happen to anyone, and it is often the result of neglected mental health, so what Vegeta's dealing with is not not a midlife crisis. It's just that 'midlife crisis' is a dismissive name we give to a serious mental health crisis in men who were taught to be ashamed of needing mental health support and never seek it until the issues start actively destroying their lives.
Although I do (and I've got many essays on this too) read it more as a relapse,
It's not just his PTSD flaring up in the Majin arc, it's also his pride. Vegeta enters the tournament so ready to confront Goku, and seeing how much farther Goku has progressed past him takes him back to that first battle on Earth, that first time he failed, that first vow he made to kill Kakarot and now, here, ten years later he's not only still unable to do defeat Kakarot, he's also adopted his planet and his lifestyle. He's not only not killed Goku, Goku’s influence on his life and the lives around him has effectively killed who Vegeta used to be.
Vegeta was supposed to be The Saiyan Prince, heir to the universe, the strongest mortal being in existence, and instead he's Just Another Guy on Earth. He's a husband, and a friend, and a neighbor. That's the part of it that harkens to a so-called midlife crisis. The part of him that is disappointed and freaking out when confronted by the very sudden realization that the person he was 10 years ago and the goals that man thought he'd have achieved by now are all but gone and he's out of time to change it unless he changes it right now, right here, in this panicked, manic moment in which the earth under his feet is splitting and he's got a half second to figure out which side of it he wants to be standing on, and in a moment of shock and grief and fury he clings to his comfort of his past instead of embracing the unknown of his future.
There is also the relapse part of it, in which Vegeta has not been in a competitive arena (literally and figuratively) in seven years, since the most humiliating string of errors he's ever made that resulted in the situation spiraling more out of control than any situation he's ever been left in charge of. Vegeta is a being built on power and control, and it was only on Namek he really realized he never had either. The more he tried to make up for the deficit, the bigger the deficit got, until Vegeta all but vows to abandon battle altogether. This is the first time in a very, very long time he's tasted the promise of victory in the air, and it's blood to a shark.
His desire to win is overwhelming, and being egged on by a huge power high that not only encourages his aggression, but his fury, and his sheer joy at the idea of finally finishing what he set out to do when he came to Earth and killing Goku. It takes exhaustion and being stonewalled and being confronted and being told what he's doing is pathetic and finally reminded point blank that No. He loves his family. He always will. for him to stop. And let go. And realize his past and his future don't matter to him at all if the people who love him in the present are gone. His son has already paid for his failure once, just like he's paid for his own father's. He breaks the cycle and tries to save his kid from having to foot his bill. He fails. He tries again. He's continued to try ever since (to mostly successful results).
So, it's all of it. It's a relapse that required intervention. It's an identity crisis due to PTSD and how he's learned to value himself. It's a midlife crisis of a man who feels like he's forsaken himself and his ambitions by slowly learning to favor comfort over conquest. It's all of it, all at once.
tl;dr: I don't think anyone's wrong for calling it a midlife crisis, I just think 1) that's not all it is and 2) we probably need to more media depicting a midlife crisis as the genuine mental health crisis that it is.
genuinely one of my favorite vegeta panels of all time.... beautiful babygirl
Despite his words, Vegeta stood on a cliff three days straight after his defeat against Android 18.
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Been seeing this trend on that one app and thought I’d have fun with it. Feat. my OC
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I mean… he’s trying??? (╯°▽°)╯ ┻━┻ “Could he actually become a REAL dad?” by m. translator ★
This was an old sketch comic I made in preparation for the next world building infographic I have planned.
This one being about the Fire Moon Festival!
Okay because I am seeing it constantly, arguments like "adapting and changing stuff is okay and in fact necessary" and "was Troy more accurate, why did you not complain about it haha", I think there is something very obvious that you are all missing or choosing to ignore.
Not all adaptations and changes are equal.
An adaptation in which a hero, who is viewed largely positively within his country, is used as a scapegoat for things of a larger and very much real historical scale that far exceed his strict responsibilities as documented in the oral tradition of his country (end of Trojan War and associated matters) is not exactly an adaptation, it is flirting with offense. Nolan really lectured that the Greeks were responsible for the collapse of their own civilization and all the late Bronze Age Civilizations, which is obviously something he pulled out of his ass. In his exaggerated take on the social contract, it seems as if the Greeks are responsible for the greatest violation known to the Bronze Age, which therefore results to its ultimate collapse, as if warring and attacking cities was not a frequent occurence amongst the ancient peoples of the time.
We know that a possible Trojan War may have contributed to a period of recession in Late Mycenaean Greece but this was only a factor in the grand scheme of things that caused the Bronze Age civilizations to go through a period of stagnation and decline. Others were natural disasters (including great earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, droughts), diseases, the change of sociopolitical and economical dynamics and of course the Sea Peoples.
Nolan points his finger to the Greeks, almost like he's in a sermon, and tells them: "You all paid for sacking Troy". He attributes a real historical decline to divine or cosmic punishment for a legend that may or may not have even happened in this exact way! And not only this, but he also blames the Greeks for the decline that befell third countries during the same era and interprets the Sea Peoples as an exclusively Greek catastrophic group of people! Meanwhile, historians know very little about the Sea Peoples, except that they were most likely something like early pirates, comprised by multiple ethnic groups, ONE of which was also the Greeks, and as one may assume, marginal delinquent people and not their most celebrated men!
Some people say "it's a mirror for the wrongdoings of the West", well if he wants a mirror for self-reflection and presentism he is free to create an original American / British story or draw from actual American and British history, I am sure he will find plenty of content there. And he can leave the Greeks alone.
I am not illogical, I don't expect a hagiography of the Greeks of course. I am not at all opposed to showing the atrocities the Greeks committed in Troy, because those were things already acknowledged and documented by Greeks themselves. There is great difference between this and what Nolan does, who puts the blame for an entire collapse of the then known world on the Greeks without any historical evidence for that! (Let alone that it is completely ahistorical to ever suggest that a single nation can be responsible for a total collapse of civilization.)
And since a lot bring up the inaccuracies of Troy, watch this, the mere 13 minutes of Odysseus scenes in Troy:
There are a ton of inaccuracies here, including the glaring "cousin Patroclus". Yet look how Petersen's Troy understands or respects the homeric epics more earnestly:
Odysseus is immediately and efficiently established as an intelligent, cunning, adaptable, inventive man who changes his arguments in order to achieve his goal, which is none other than to return quickly back to his home and family without angering the other Greek kings (and the way to achieve that is to achieve a quick victory in Troy). Of course the victory was anything but quick but this Odysseus' motivation is consistent to the characterisation of Homeric Odysseus (who did not even want to go to this war). In 13 minutes Petersen and Sean Bean give an Odysseus Damon and Nolan could not give in 3 hours.
Of course we also get an accurately angry, proud and narcissistic Achilles and a greedy and explosive but HUMAN Agamemnon, who discusses his plans and strategies with the other Achaean kings. And not a war comic caricature.
Notice how Wolfgang Petersen had the skill to present Mediterranean landscapes accurately as luminous and beautiful without this removing from the impact of the violence and the tragedy.
Notice how Troy can keep audiences engaged in the plot and the fate of the characters without having to force the Greekness out of them. Count how many times the words Greece and Greeks are spelled out in these mere 13 minutes and compare it with that in Nolan's Odyssey, in which you almost feel the two? times the word Greek was uttered was out of sheer and overbearing obligation.
Moreover, look how Achilles, the demigod, the most proud and glorious of warriors, says in Troy that "Greece was fine before me and Greece will be Greece when I am gone". In short, Petersen recognizes that he tackles a mere element of another culture and he treats said culture with respect and gratitude. Achilles is an element of Greece, not Greece an element of Achilles! This is the EXACT opposite of what happens in Nolan's Odyssey, where the wrongdoings of a single man, Odysseus, are capable of destroying the entirety of the Greek civilization and beyond!
The last scene of Odysseus as narrator is also the last scene of Troy, not accidentally, since there were many hints throughout the movie that there were intentions for an Odyssey as a sequel. We greatly missed the chance for a Sean Bean Odyssey. It would have been a good one. But these last words prove that Petersen and all the cast and crew involved understood what the Iliad was about. Odysseus says: "Let them say I lived in the time of Hector, tamer of horses. Let them say I lived in the time of Achilles...". Apart from the clever tragic irony and foreshadowing here, in which Odysseus expresses humility and awe towards greater men than himself, while we know what he still does not know about himself, that with his journey back home he might even become a greater legend than the other two, it is crucial to stress that this is the very meaning of the Iliad; it is not an anti-war manifesto in the way we understand those in current times. It is a study on hysterophemia, meaning "posthumous glory", a concept that has had great significance to the Greeks of many eras. The Iliad does not give us a clear answer and neither does Troy. Was it worthy after all? And then you have the brilliant sequence in the Odyssey, where the ghost of Achilles tells Odysseus that he'd rather be a plain random living man than the most glorious amongst the dead. So, there is of course a pondering, a questioning of war and violence, but it is not so much through our present moral compass, but rather through the realisation that life is ought to be celebrated instead of given away over petty emotions and ambitions. And yet, the very fascinating irony that Troy highlights is that Achilles' petty ambition was not fruitless. He is remembered and discussed thousands of years later. Still, is it worth it? Odyssey gives an answer but it's also left open to anyone's interpretation. And this is exactly how Petersen elects to bring closure to his movie, in complete harmony with the homeric epics, despite the countless inaccuracies and liberties he took.
Therefore, Troy might be full of inaccuracies but it shows respect and understanding to all the major points that matter the most. Despite its inaccuracies, it also manages to remain sensitive towards the culture of origin of these stories. Even if there is no Greek acting in it, all the actors really make you believe that they are Greeks and are concerned and proud of their nation.
Meanwhile, Nolan makes a double choice of both putting said culture on the spot with an ahistorical conflation of legend / myth and later historical events and also attempting to erase said culture as much as possible, in order to make the story about his own present or at least more recent culture. I don't think Nolan's interpretation is bad as a concept. It's actually very interesting, but this does not change the fact that it is self-inserting and culturally insensitive towards a nation that is foreign to him.
Conclusively, yes, you may adapt and change stories, but adaptation from adaptation can differ greatly and not all are bound to be received in the same blindly positive or negative way.
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