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vegas killer WSH?
An article about the greatest threats to Vegas future
Playing around on Puck Pedia GM (yes im a nerd) and a few things caught my attention:
People do not understand how No Trade Agreements work.
Its CRAZY how many people think we should trade Wennberg. And for like nothing more than a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick too.
People really think Wennberg, Toffoli, and Sherwood, all guys with multiple years on their contracts (Wenny and Woody just signed theirs ffs) should be willing to be traded to basically anywhere because "its better for the cap"
Projections for Wills contract are all over the place. I've seen everything from 3 years at 5m because "he needs to prove himself" to 5 years at 15.5m. Side note he isn't taking a prove it deal. At least not this year. He still has a year to prove himself on his current contract if that's what he needs to do for whatever reason. And Grier said they want him long term.
That said I'm shocked/pleased that most of the contracts for him are in the 9-12m range and other than a few comments that make no sense most people seem to think they're reasonable numbers.
No one saw Macks contract coming.
So just to throw this out there. The cap was very flat for years during Covid. When Crosby signed his ELC in 2005 the cap was 39 million, and this past 25/26 season the cap was 95.5 million. So it hasn't grown a lot over the years.
As of right now as things grow the cap is projected to grow between 8 and 9.5 million PER YEAR that's insane. The cap is projected to be 123 million in the 28/29 season. That's an almost 30 million dollar increase in 3 years when the cap only grew 55.5 million in 20 years.
It should also be noted that the NHL accounting office is notoriously slow. The cap numbers are usually 1-2 years behind what the revenue actually supports. They do this so they can sort of control things and make sure they aren't expecting teams to spend more money than they can realistically make. In the hopes they keep the league running smoothly and profitable.
This means though, that current salary cap projections exist without the benefit of the booktok/HR boost. Remember HR caused a 40% increase in interest in the NHL. A lot of people think that the current increases aren't sustainable because a lot of those fans won't stick around, which may be true, but is unlikely to effect the cap the way people think it will simply because they keep such a leash on that number.
That said if things keep going the way they are (which to be fair is a big if) the salary cap is projected to continue to grow between 8 and 9.5 million per year for quite a while.
So by the 31/32 season, the last on Macks current contract it is very possible the cap is in the neighborhood of 150-165 million. Like I said that's a big if and hugely dependent on revenue growth, and the economy but looking at other major sports it is certainly possible and even likely it gets there.
I know a lot of people are freaking out over Macks contract, either the number or the term. I've seen a lot of people saying the number would be okay in an 8 year deal. But the reality is that by year 8 of that deal in 34/35 the cap almost certainly will be above 150 and possibly quite close to 200 million.
That means, at the current percentage of cap Mack would be making between 24 and 32 million dollars. That's a lot of money to leave on the table. And anyone who says they would take a lower contract is probably a liar lol.
It does make sense some fans are thinking its too much money. The cap did unexpectedly flatline during Covid and that undoubtedly played a role in what happened in Toronto. And when you're used to the cap only raising 1-3 million a year paying someone 19m is a lot. And of course bad things happen, no one knows what the future holds and the cap may go flat again. But players and GMs can't live or operate in fear of that.
GMs like to sign contracts that are overpaid in the beginning but look really good by year 3/4 and I think Macks will look very good in year 3 and 4.
Wait wait wait.... did they wait until Shark week to start signing players?
mack, passenger princess-ing in his own car in his own city: isn’t it so nice smitty? thank god you’re here, i was so tired of driving myself everywhere and i knew you would love to drive my new car and i’m so excited to make you drive around san jose and—
will, trying and failing to lock in so he doesn’t scratch mack’s fancy new mercedes: uh-huh, yup, anything for you, celly, i’ll drive you anywhere you want
rj in the backseat, fearing for his life: the turn was 3 blocks ago.
According to Neddy a group of Crosby, Mack, Smitty, Slaven, and Seider could beat anyone
So the Panthers start their season playing Carolina? Then us? Does that help or hurt?
Oh!!! We have Nurse. He fucking HATES the Panthers!
Well i guess with us playing Florida we just got a much clearer picture of the opening night line up. There is no way they're going to put Stenburg up there. It almost assuredly will be Marchment. They're going to want someone big, mean, and with experience to help WillMack and hopefully protect them.
I would also bet on seeing a bit of Nurse/Trouba. I dont know if they'll be an official pairing but they'll be out there together a lot.
The fourth line will probably see some minutes. And I can almost bet money Goodrow is on it with Chucky, and someone from the top 9 (maybe Sherwood at least for this game?)
I do wonder if they'll lean more towards adding Cags since they may need a proven Power Play QB?
I will say Florida is a better team than last year, they've made a bunch of moves that are crazy. But so are we. We're bigger, stronger, more experienced, and better on D than we were. I think we have a real chance here even with Barkov back. It'll be an interesting test of the new team and whether we may actually be a playoff team. I would point out that we almost beat Vegas in the first game last season and I promise Ned will be better if he gets the start here.
Did Will Smith Hockeys lucky girl syndrome break the Sharks curse?
So its the off season and im bored. (Don't judge me) so I've been doing some research into the history of the Sharks.
The Sharks first played in the 1991-1992 season. The Sharks are the only modern expansion team that didn't get a chance at the 1st overall pick the year prior to playing their first game. They were denied that and missed out on drafting Eric Lindros. Instead they ended up with Pat Falloon. Lindros is a Fall of Fame player. Falloon.... wasn't.
Over the years, much like Vancouver, the Sharks never won the first overall pick. Now to be fair some of that is because they are a perennial play off team so they didn't get high draft picks. But there were also years early on where they only won 17 or 11 games in an entire season so they definitely should have had a first overall in there somewhere.
Sharks fans for years have said that the Sharks were a cursed franchise because of this. And its easy to see why when you look at the 2015-2016 team. That's a team designed to win the Cup. They had Jumbo in his prime, Marleau, Pavs, Vlasic, Burns, and Hertl. They had depth, defense, and physicality. They should have won a cup. They didn't. They lost to Sidney Crosby and the Pens. And they didn't just lose to Pittsburgh. They lost in the SAP center on home ice.
To make it worse as far as I can tell the ONLY member of the 2015-2016 Sharks roster to ever win a cup was Barclay Goodrow with Tampa Bay. Statistically speaking, given how many of these guys there are in the league, how long they played and with how many teams that's....well not impossible but very close.
Now to the tin hat...we all know Will Smith has lucky girl syndrome. The kid doesn't lose. And the year after the Sharks drafted him what happened? We didn't just get a first overall pick. We got THE first overall pick. coincidence? Probably. But still. It is interesting.
its also interesting that they also chose to bring back Goodrow.... the only man on that 2016 team to win a cup.
Ill show myself out now.
So maybe its the gummy but the more I think about it the more I like the moves made today. I still have my questions but as far as cap goes, its going up 9 to 10 million a year according to projections. By 2030-2031 when we'll likely start paying Keaton and Ryan itll be 142million. Give or take. Mack, Will, Misa, Graf and Dicky will be on hopefully longer term deals by then and guys like Orlov, Nurse, and Trouba will have moved on.
I have a lot of trust in Grier. If he made these contracts then Ill trust that he has a plan. And for the record they all seem very well structured to make them trade friendly if it comes down to it. Trouba in particular is very front loaded meaning if we trade him the other team wouldn't have to put out as much cash which could make him more attractive to another team.
These 3 guys in particular make us a lot bigger, meaner, stronger and harder to bully. They bring not only play off experience but they all still have upside to their games.
Ultimately we are a better team today than we're yesterday.
Im not gonna say i like all the moves made today but after taking some time to calm down and take a gummy....I don't hate it either. The question i have is does Nurse have the inside line to stop Davo? Could he and Mack as former Davo teammates team up to take down the best player in the world? If the two of them could shut down Connor McDavid even once next year ill sacrifice not 1 but 2 of Warsos kids.
If we're handing out 5 year 7mil contracts to 31 year old 20 goal a year middle 6 forwards then I better not hear SHIT about paying Smitty 9 or 10.
Just listened (kinda) to Shengs podcast (I like to torture myself) and it is, of course, dogshit. But I did love the comment section. So many people calling him out and telling him he's stupid for trying to trade the young core for a 28 year old cup chaser.
I just want to talk about the Will trade rumors in a way that has very little to do with Mack or the fact that Will is Macks bestie. (Well i might go there a little.)
The only way you, as a GM, would trade a player is if you were going to get similar/better back. Value, of course, is relative to the team in play.
As for the Sharks we actually have 2 very big issues atp in the rebuild. Both are extremely fixable but both will take time. One is, of course, defense. Grier has started working on this. We have guys in the pipeline who are getting closer to being ready to play.
The left side in particular probably has 1 too many atp. You have Orlov for 1 more season, Dicky, Cags (who I think gets at least a 20-30 game try out this season), Muk (who I would expect to come back short term low AAV on a prove it deal), and Nolan Allen. It is very likely you start the season with a left side of Orlov, Dicky, and Cags with Muk playing on his off side again. (Personally I like this in part because when Orlov leaves next season Muk takes his spot and there's a ready made space for Pohlkamp).
The right side is, of course, the issue. You've only got Kesselring under contract for next season. That's it. Even if you play Muk on the right side there's still a hole there. I still think its likely you resign Vinny who could take that spot and then you play Allan as 7.
All of these guys are at a point where you either need to play them or move them so they have a chance elsewhere. Maybe Grier trades one or two of them (probably Muk and Allen if we're being honest, maybe Cags if it comes to it) for a more proven defender. That might be a good plan, but only if he can find the right blue liner for the right price. Otherwise you're taking the chance of leaving talent on the table. But that's where the logjam is. That's part of the issue that needs to be dealt with.
That all being said we could run with what we have for next year, especially with the knowledge that in a couple of years we have Keaton and Lin coming. This blueline isn't technically the best but it's better than last year and has the potential to get better with time whereas last years got worse. There's decent veteran presence too with Orlov, Vinny, and Kesselring, but not anyone you would be angry at Warso for sending in in place of anyone else.
The second problem, and one that isnt quite as dire, is that we need secondary scoring. Mack can't carry all the scoring. But, as I said, this isn't as dire as people think either.
Our forwards are very young but its difficult to imagine that with full seasons and development, and some decent play time Misa, Cherny, Stenberg, Sherwood, Toffoli, Graf and maybe Gaudette can't put up 20ish goal seasons. Give or take.
If Mack can pull off another 40 goal season and Will can pull off 30 (he was on pace for 29 so I don't think that's an overreach) that's 200 goals.
If any of them go over 20 (Cherny was on pace for 25 and Stenberg is certainly capable of the same, and maybe Misa too if he gets the ice time) plus another 20 from Ostapchuk, Delly, and Wennberg, who between them made 24 goals this past season, you could realistically have a forward group that makes 230-240 goals next season. We only made 249 total last season. For reference the Avalanche made the most goals this season with 298.
That means that if we could get 40-50 goals from our blue line we would be in the top of scoring in the NHL. That's very possible. The blue line last year, being as bad as they were, made 29 goals. This group at least matching that if not putting up 10 more also feels reasonable.
That said, that's all dependent on things staying the way they are and any trades being made for better players who can put up similar or better numbers.
Going back to Will, 30+ goal scorers are pretty rare. Only 40 players in the league made more than 30 goals last season. That includes outliers like Mack, McDavid, and Celebrini. There are between 800 and 1000 players in the league.
Will is also in the 99th percentile in points made off of high danger passes meaning he can catch hard passes in dirty areas and bury them. He's in 97th percentile in high danger passes made which means he can get the puck to someone else in the dirty areas too. He has a corsi 4 of 64.1 meaning that when hes on the ice the sharks take 64.1% of the shots made.
All that coming together, Will Smith is a very difficult player to replace entirely on his own.
And yes, Mack should factor here too somewhat. Mack is one of the top players in the world and we know from watching other top players like McDavid that finding wingers who can play with them without being a liability and look good doing it is extremely difficult. At the 4 Nations they tried Marner, a very good player on his wing and Marner looked slow and clunky despite not playing badly. Because he was next to McDavid. Even very good players have trouble looking good next to superstars.
There is a thought process that anyone can play with Celebrini and look good next to him but with the way he's developing we are rapidly reaching a point where that is no longer true. There's a reason the left winger position was a revolving door this season. Look at Sherwood and Kurashev. Sherwood is a good player but he couldn't make it on that line. Kurashev is not only a good player but one that made it next to WillMack earlier in the season. But by the end of the season he couldn't do it anymore.
Look at the issues Chicago is having finding a winger for Bedard. The Sharks have a winger for Celebrini. Giving him up is a mistake and one that would bite them later.
When Will was injured and Mack went on his hot streak Mack averaged 1.85 points a game. People love to use this to prove that Will doesnt do anything. But 2 things stick out to me here.
One, all goal scorers are streaky. All of them, including Mack. Mack had almost as many 3 point games as he did 0 point games (18 and 22 i believe) and went on several hot streaks last year. In all of those hot streaks he averaged 1.8 - 2 points per game. That's normal for him. The streak while Will was out was the longest of course but still the average was actually low comparatively.
Two, the reason Mack did so well is because he took most of it on himself. There wasn't anyone he could really trust out there. He came to trust Cherny but Cherny was a rookie in his first few games in the NHL and Mack didn't know him. He learned to trust Graf too but that also took time. Mack trusts Will. That's hard to come by.
Again, all this coming together if you were going to trade Will you would need someone of similar value. Someone who could be counted on to play well with your generational player, who could be counted on for 25-30+ goals a season to keep you moving towards the top on the pack offensively, who could make and catch really difficult passes, and who could get into the dirty areas around the net and bury goals or make plays happen. There aren't a lot of guys out there like that and most of them dont come cheap. The only one I can think of that would end up being an upgrade is Jason Robertson. And he wants Celebrini money which I doubt Grier would pay.
Of course the trade everyone is talking about is Smith for Werenski. That also doesnt make sense for the Sharks. First of all because he's only under contract for 2 more seasons and there's no guarantee he would resign. If he doesnt you've just lost Will for a guy that won't even be around when we're contenders.
Secondly, you lose a core guy that you then have to spend more assets on to replace, which again wouldn't be easy. And while he would do wonders for the defense he wouldn't make up for what you lose in Will plus be the improvement you need on the blueline. If you were to trade Will for a blue liner that blue liner would need to make 30 goals a year to make up the difference. Werenski is a point a game player but he only made 22 goals.
No one in the league is safe. Even Gretzky got traded so of course it is possible that Will gets moved but its difficult to see at this point. In a few years that may change, no one knows what the future holds, but at this point I dont think you trade him. He helps fix a glaring problem you have and would likely create another if he did leave.
it makes me happy how excited Sens fans seem to be for him.
Any chance we trade 2OA for Byram plus either a roster defender from Chicago or a couple right handed blue liner prospects?