THE WHEEL OF TIME TIDBITS

In The Wheel Of Time Tidbits you can find interesting but less known or long forgotten facts and tidbits for your favourite fantasy series The Wheel Of Time. Also you can find WOT related humour, artwork and fun. I am LightOne. BE AWARE THIS BLOG CONTAINS SPOILERS.

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Fight me.

"The Golden Crane flies for Tarmon Gai'don."

[aurgenius]

The girl [Cyndane] was stronger in the One Power than she herself! Even in her own Age, that had been uncommon among men, and very rare indeed among women. 

So, in the Age of Legends, the level of the One Power was determined by comparing all channelers, unlike in the Third Age. And Graendal and Lanfear were the strongest among all channelers, not just among women.

[cannoli-reader]

determined by comparing all channelers, unlike in the Third Age.

Not sure what this means. The Third Age only compares women, because until very recently, they haven't had men to compare to them. And they hardly are able to do so scientifically. Verin, in tGH, thinks Logain was weaker than the top contemporary Aes Sedai, when in fact, he is stronger than any woman ever and all but the very strongest men.

And Graendal and Lanfear were the strongest among all channelers, not just among women.

Sort of. They were well below the maximum for humans, but it's a bell curve, and there are very very few people who are in the levels above them.

Robert Jordan charted out a scale of strength levels, which he mostly only used for female channelers who might come into contact with Aes Sedai. There are several female channelers whose strength level he did not list, because they have nothing to do with Aes Sedai, so their strength isn't important. Basically, the reason he sorted this out, was to keep the dynamic straight, so he would know how any Aes Sedai would look at another female channeler, given their preoccupation with strength. He added the Forsaken & various Dragons to the chart for comparison purposes, I believe, but only a couple of Asha'man.

Anyway, the women ranged from a low rank of 66 to a height of 1, with six additional levels above L1 that only men ever reached, which he indicated as ++6 up to ++1 . ++1 was only the various iterations of Rand/LTT and Ishamael/Moridin, and Rahvin. Aginor, Demandred & Sammael were ++2, Asmodean & Balthamel were ++3, and Be'lal was ++4. Logain was at ++2, with only Rand, Ishamael and Rahvin being stronger (Taim's specific strength was not given). So much for Verin's belief that he was not strong enough to use the Choedan Kal.

Meanwhile, down at the maximum level for women (which was far higher than most men reached), which was three levels below Be'lal, we have Lanfear & Semirhage, and Alivia. Cyndane & Mesaana are level 2, which Talaan (the Sea Folk apprentice who asks Nynaeve to take her to the Tower) and Sharina (the old woman who becomes a novice between Egwene's announcement that anyone can sign up and the rebel's departure for Tar Valon) both have the potential to reach that level. Level 3 is Graendal, and Nynaeve's potential max out. Nynaeve and Talaan in the mid-to-late series are at level 4, with Moghedian and Someryn, the well-endowed Shaido Wise One in Sevanna's clique, whom Graendal tells Sammael she will not train. Level 5 is the Wise One who was Aviendha's godmother during the adoption ceremony, and down at level 8 is Egwene and the maximum potential of Elayne & Aviendha. Egwene is there because of being forced, while the other two aren't maxed out yet. Cadsuane is just below Egwene at level 9 and Bode & Nicole have the potential to get there. Level 10 is Elayne's godmother, and level 11 is where she & Aviendha are by the mid-to-late series. Level 13 is the maximum strength in the White Tower when the series starts, except for Cadsuane, who is believed dead by many sisters, and a couple of Tamra's searchers, who make cameo appearances in New Spring before being killed off-page by the Black Ajah. The sisters known to be at level 11 were Moiraine, Elaida, Siuan, Lelaine & Romanda. The lowest strength allowed to test for the shawl was level 45, meaning Alise, the overseer of the Kin's farm, was no higher than 46. Sorilea was Level 57. Leane & Siuan lost 22 levels from being stilled & Healed by a woman, dropping them to 36 & 35, respectively. Level 19 is the minimum necessary to create a door-sized Traveling gateway.

[aurgenius]

I never thought that Robert Jordan had charted out a scale of strength levels to help create a coherent story and determine who could command whom among Aes Sedai. Fascinating. (I thought that encyclopedic power rankings were made mostly for fun.)

I like the idea that, in the Age of Legends, all channelers used one universal scale to determine strength, and if Rand had known about this scale and applied it, demanding to be in charge without complaint because he is the strongest, it could have saved him from many conflicts with Aes Sedai, or at least given him a valid argument to demand obedience.

[scarletkaoru]

so braced for the other shoe to drop but i am loving tuon and mats dynamic at the start of this

Theyre both playing it soooo chill and controlled like yeah im casual, you dont impress me (im gonna murder you yesterday)

theres just something so fun and fascinating about the way tuon degrades mat but clearly is impressed by him, and vice versa

their dynamic is both so naturally atuned and so hostile its really funny

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headofwolfguard

[lothloriencosplay]

I managed to finish up Moiraine in time for Connecticon and got the unexpected surprise of getting second place in the advanced category!!

I’ve officially leveled up in the cosplay contest world which is exciting!

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Congratulations!

[emondsfield]

Someone on Reddit is doing important research

[birgittesilverbae]

KoD context:

all the women in the circus are frustrated with Mat (n = 6, one of which is a 2-for-1)

Birgitte and Dyelin are frustrated with Elayne (n = 4)

Min is frustrated with Rand (n = 3)

everyone involved with the White Tower is frustrated with the situation (n = 4)

[vancouver-lord-goldeneyes]

Now we need the breakdown of which characters received the most arms folded under breasts overall. I mean it’s probably gonna be Mat and Elayne but.

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From Origins of The Wheel of Time

written by Michael Livingston

Lanfear. Her name derives from French L’enfer, meaning “Hell”, combined with the English word fear.

Mierin Eronaile. The original name of Lanfear, it echoes the Irish mythological figure of Muireann (or Murine), a woman with many suitors – her epither is “beautiful lips” – whose father tried to prevent her marriage. […]. Mierin’s surname might be an allustion to the Erinyes: the Furies of Greek mythology.

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Nynaeve al’Meara by grim_franka_art

Egwene al’Vere by grim_franka_art

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RJ’s notes Part 81 by Matt Hatch

SOURCE #1

Box 28, Folder 1 (Old box & folder #s)

THE FORSAKEN

(1) Ishamael (who is called Ba’alzamon)

(2) Lanfear (who sometimes calls herself Selene, among other names

(3) Aginor: dead

(4) Balthamel: dead

(5) De’ath

(6) Moloc (one of the most vicious)

(7) Be’aldrid

(8) Maladour

(9) Malifecin

(10) Sha’rein

(11) Savintar

(12) Sammael

(13) Rahvin

Deimondred(?), or something like, was, I believe, used one of the names in EYE. Check EYE and HUNT for any names used.

Koren’dis, Las’toth, Mourdur, Belloan, Asmodean, [Kama, Belial, Eblis, Shiva,)

Box 28, F1 (Old #s), Individuals

Selene: [Lanfear; Daughter of the Night] {She may use other names, other appearances. She can, within very broad limits, change her both apparent age and her physical appearance. Not her general size, though. She is always the same height, etc.} No matter what Ba’alzamon wants, she has her own plans. She wants power for herself, for one thing, and none of that sitting at the feet of Ba’alzamon and ruling all below. Power in her own right, with none above her. Beside that, she wants Rand al’Thor. More specifically, she wants Lews Therin Telamon reborn. When he last lived, she lost him to another; this time she means him to be hers. She is a Power weilder at least the equal to Ishamael, the Betrayer of Hope, who was accounted the most powerful of the Forsaken, but she never liked flaunting her ability, prefering to let others think she was less powerful than she actually was. This made them careless, and gave her advantages. She may well have been close to Lews Therin himself in strength.

Box 57, Folder 9

January 14, 1996

To Bill Fawcett VIA FAX

Dear Bill:

[…]

59 Lanfear – background, dress, and coloration just fine, but hair in a sleek bun, maybe with pearls or silvery fine-linked chains woven through it – imperious and icy, not bed-tousled, is the look. Also put her arms at her sides; this is a rather folksy pose and she ain’t folksy.

SOURCE #2

Box 42, F2, Book 11 Base Notes, pg.13

Elan Morin certainly was among the first to pledge himself to the Shadow, possibly the first (at least, among, those surviving to be sealed into the Bore).

Box 45, The Great Hunt (Continuity #2)

NOTE: In the Age of Legens, Lanfear was linked with Lews Therin before she went over to the Shadow. She tried to steal him from his wife, and it was her failure as much as her own ambition that led her to forsake the Light.

Verin would know of this from various fragmentary records, some of which actually claim they were lovers. These last, linking Lews Therin with one of the Forsaken, are taken by some as evidence that he was actually on the side of the Shadow.

[faircastle]

rand and perrin are such arthurian characters, but they don't live in an arthurian world. this creates more problems than one might think.

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Callandor "Who wields me wields destiny. Take me, and begin the final journey"

Three taveren from two rivers

Thom Merillin playing

Lan mandragoram , version inspired by medieval illustrations from Asia and east

Golden Crane Flies Again

What if the Seanchan would open a cofffee place "Nine Moons" where the Kaf is the Best

Dragon Reborn Banner

all by skully_inc

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Headcannon : a Whitecloak once dreamed his way in the wolf dream and Hopper gave him the fright of his life

headofwolfguard

[iliiuan]

Tam al'Thor vs Cadsuane Sedai was the face-off I never knew I needed. Him calling her a bully was so gratifying.

[leadflowers]

The rescuing Moiraine from the Aelfinn and Eelfinn arc legit feels like an RPG adventure. It has it all: a party of three (a bard, a rogue and a uhh I'll go with ranger for Noal) on a quest to save someone held prisoner in an interdimensional labyrinth filled with traps and hostile elf-like creatures but it's not a straight up fight-through-the-dungeon deal - there are puzzles, too.

[turtwigodon]

Adeleas and Vandene Namelle Love

Because there isn't enough of it.

We are talking sisters biologically who moved through the Tower in lockstep despite not actually being twins, Adeleas being two years older. Sisters who chose different Ajahs and despite the institution of the Tower doing it's best to break ties to anything other than it in its potential members, were still so close that people could not tell them apart.

Sisters who retired together to study despite only one of them being a Brown, sisters who moved as one after Moiraine's visit to do something about the Last Battle. Sisters who got caught up in the craziness of Ebou Dar and were the only Aes Sedai that were helpful to our main characters. Sisters who following the death of one, the other became hellbent on discovering the identity of the murderer and succeeded in avenging the death all while being some of the oldest known sisters in the White Tower.

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