In my opinion, the tendency of the American Left to try to differentiate itself from and denigrate Liberals contributes to its weakened state here

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In my opinion, the tendency of the American Left to try to differentiate itself from and denigrate Liberals contributes to its weakened state here
I do think Shinji being a misogynist is an interesting analysis of his character and there’s certainly evidence to back it up such as the hospital scene, Hell’s Kitchen scene or attempt at kissing Asuka in episode 9. What I dislike is that it’s always used by fans who have a bleak view of EVA where there is no hope for the characters getting better and to prop up Kaworu as the only valid partner for Shinji. Give me an Asushin or Reishin story where he unlearns his misogyny and stops having unrealistic expectations of the women in his life. I used to dislike the misogynist Shinji interpretation but have become more open to it as I’ve become more radicalized politically. I just wish it was used in a more creative fashion.
The whole reason Shinji appeals to me is because he is young and flawed. He is 14, teenagers grow and change so much! Let him learn to be better, let him be soft and kind in developing his friendships and relationships.
The biggest reason KawoShin doesn't appeal to me personally is because Kaworu doesn't challenge Shinji or want him to grow or change.
The biggest growth and change we see in Shinji is when Asuka is introduced. They do learn to work together and under extreme conditions they likely would have continued to bond and grow. Rei slapped Shinji when she was annoyed with him and Shinji wanted to understand her more. Give me more of Shinji being challenged!
"Give me more of Shinji being challenged!." Asuka got strangled for that, if you remember.
I don't know, when one of the main themes of the series is how you have to take care of yourself before having proper relationships with other people, it seems extremely counterintuitive and nonsensical to suggest Shinji and Asuka together would solve that. It's just Shinji using a girl for his own reasons, aka what Eva says not do to. The kind of issues he has are things he needs to work out in therapy, not by dating a girl. He needs to learn how to be friends with one, platonically, before anything else. It's not fair to Asuka to put her through that, especially when she has her own problems to work through and Shinji's issues directly harmed her in the series (like the aforementioned strangling).
And frankly, I don't see how dating Kaworu would impede this development. Kaworu may have his own ideas on how to make Shinji happy, but if Shinji was looking to overcome his misogyny I feel Kaworu would do his best to support him on that journey.
TIL wanting a character to undergo character development is problematic
Some versions of character development can be problematic, yes, like the idea that pairing someone with a potentially abusive partner is necessary, even mandatory, for that partner's character growth. What would Asuka be getting out of this before that point, exactly? An understanding partner? Shinji, the guy who is pretty infamous for how little he understands people? I don't think Shinji should date anyone unti he gets some perspective, but in particular, I don't think being with Asuka is a good idea.
its a stretch to call Shinji potentially abusive, considering he was undergoing what was pretty much mental torture when he choked fake Asuka in the 'dream,' and was one of two people in a hell world without anything of use, not even food(call me an abuser, but I might behave erratically in that setting, and let's also ignore that those actions are written to be more symbolic than literal)
You're implying that Shinji's character development would have to be done by Asuka, or during his time dating her. This isn't how the pair is depicted. For example, Phoenix Rising sees Shinji get extensive therapy before meeting Asuka wakes up from a coma. The point of the series, as you say, is to sort out your own issues, which is done in most fics in which Shinji's character isn't already changed.
So, even if we're going to grant the presupposition that Shinji gets no therapy whatsoever, Kaworu would still have to deal with that. If you're going to say that the Shinji we know shouldn't be in a relationship without changing a lot, I agree, but putting a guy into the relationship doesn't magically solve this problem. This is why I agree with comrade, this justification of Kaworu and Shinji's relationship implies that Kaworu(or men in general, if you're feeling provocative) somehow is more deserving or less affected by a partner whom you describe as potentially abusive. Again, I'm not saying Shinji should be in a relationship before development with Asuka, but that Kaworu would also be affected by his tendencies in a way I feel you ignore.
Let's also not ignore that the characters that you are implying to be victims are also abusive. Asuka, in particular, constantly verbally abuses Shinji. You ask what Asuka would get out of that situation(again, I'm going to work under the assumption there is no prior character development), but let's not act like she wouldnt contribute to a toxic dynamic herself. Again, I'm not saying that they are obliged to be in a relationship, but the idea that having these characters is somehow immoral because you can only imagine it in the worst scenario is comical.
They are fictional characters! I am someone who very often writes (non-fan, admittedly)fiction. One thing I have learned over my time writing is that good stories are made out of conflict. Writing a story in the way Comrade laments(treating them like real people, whom you always want the best for with no conflict) makes for a bad story that's only fit for fanfiction-y fluff. That is to say, the derived characters and setting does the heavy lifting for subpar writing.
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I do think Shinji being a misogynist is an interesting analysis of his character and there’s certainly evidence to back it up such as the hospital scene, Hell’s Kitchen scene or attempt at kissing Asuka in episode 9. What I dislike is that it’s always used by fans who have a bleak view of EVA where there is no hope for the characters getting better and to prop up Kaworu as the only valid partner for Shinji. Give me an Asushin or Reishin story where he unlearns his misogyny and stops having unrealistic expectations of the women in his life. I used to dislike the misogynist Shinji interpretation but have become more open to it as I’ve become more radicalized politically. I just wish it was used in a more creative fashion.
The whole reason Shinji appeals to me is because he is young and flawed. He is 14, teenagers grow and change so much! Let him learn to be better, let him be soft and kind in developing his friendships and relationships.
The biggest reason KawoShin doesn't appeal to me personally is because Kaworu doesn't challenge Shinji or want him to grow or change.
The biggest growth and change we see in Shinji is when Asuka is introduced. They do learn to work together and under extreme conditions they likely would have continued to bond and grow. Rei slapped Shinji when she was annoyed with him and Shinji wanted to understand her more. Give me more of Shinji being challenged!
"Give me more of Shinji being challenged!." Asuka got strangled for that, if you remember.
I don't know, when one of the main themes of the series is how you have to take care of yourself before having proper relationships with other people, it seems extremely counterintuitive and nonsensical to suggest Shinji and Asuka together would solve that. It's just Shinji using a girl for his own reasons, aka what Eva says not do to. The kind of issues he has are things he needs to work out in therapy, not by dating a girl. He needs to learn how to be friends with one, platonically, before anything else. It's not fair to Asuka to put her through that, especially when she has her own problems to work through and Shinji's issues directly harmed her in the series (like the aforementioned strangling).
And frankly, I don't see how dating Kaworu would impede this development. Kaworu may have his own ideas on how to make Shinji happy, but if Shinji was looking to overcome his misogyny I feel Kaworu would do his best to support him on that journey.
TIL wanting a character to undergo character development is problematic
I do think Shinji being a misogynist is an interesting analysis of his character and there’s certainly evidence to back it up such as the hospital scene, Hell’s Kitchen scene or attempt at kissing Asuka in episode 9. What I dislike is that it’s always used by fans who have a bleak view of EVA where there is no hope for the characters getting better and to prop up Kaworu as the only valid partner for Shinji. Give me an Asushin or Reishin story where he unlearns his misogyny and stops having unrealistic expectations of the women in his life. I used to dislike the misogynist Shinji interpretation but have become more open to it as I’ve become more radicalized politically. I just wish it was used in a more creative fashion.
I agree.
It implies that homosexuality is justified, not engaged in. One is sapphic or an associate of Dorothy is not because of love directed at someone in particular, who is of their own gender, but rather because they cannot have the opposite gender. This, in a way, is itself a mirror of an incel-ian analysis of the supposed rise in Homosexuality in the last 30 years; it is to say that men and women have separated to such an extent that men have no choice but to bond only with their same gender.
It also, in my opinion, weakens the story. Transcending misogynistic mindsets is a task many men - and women for that matter - will contend with throughout their lives, and the idea that Shinji would use Kaworu as a substitute for women, and not as a pure love interest, radically changes their dynamic to something of dependence borne of an unwillingness to change.
'all age gaps problematic' people are so wild. "what can a 19 year old and a 28 year even have in common??? what do they talk about??" BITCH THEIR HOBBIES???????
Do You Not Have Hobbies Or Interests
being age appropriate??? to a NINETEEN YEAR OLD?????????
like yeah i do personally think it's weird to date a 19yr old as a 28yr old but let's not act like that 9 year age difference makes them different species that can't even interact even as friends. like can we be normal. i promise you can talk to younger people.
I think their point is, though, that the lives of a 19 year old and a 28 to 30 year old are way different, because one could be in college and is fresh out of highschool, lending to their naivety, while the 30 year old (I like round numbers better) has a lot more experience in life, so it's hard to relate insofar as events happening to them.
At 32 I met a happy healthy woman who was really turning her life around from a rough childhood. She was 19 at the time, had kicked meth, was getting a college degree, and was raising her 3 children on her own.
To act like we couldn't have possibly become good friends is the reason y'all don't have friends.
And yes after relying my whole life on friendships with older people in order to survive, you're never gonna convince me that a hardline stance on age gaps is anything other than "MAN ALWAYS BAD" terf shit
I don't get why people think I'm trying to make their point. I'm trying to explain it.
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'all age gaps problematic' people are so wild. "what can a 19 year old and a 28 year even have in common??? what do they talk about??" BITCH THEIR HOBBIES???????
Do You Not Have Hobbies Or Interests
being age appropriate??? to a NINETEEN YEAR OLD?????????
like yeah i do personally think it's weird to date a 19yr old as a 28yr old but let's not act like that 9 year age difference makes them different species that can't even interact even as friends. like can we be normal. i promise you can talk to younger people.
I think their point is, though, that the lives of a 19 year old and a 28 to 30 year old are way different, because one could be in college and is fresh out of highschool, lending to their naivety, while the 30 year old (I like round numbers better) has a lot more experience in life, so it's hard to relate insofar as events happening to them.
At 32 I met a happy healthy woman who was really turning her life around from a rough childhood. She was 19 at the time, had kicked meth, was getting a college degree, and was raising her 3 children on her own.
To act like we couldn't have possibly become good friends is the reason y'all don't have friends.
And yes after relying my whole life on friendships with older people in order to survive, you're never gonna convince me that a hardline stance on age gaps is anything other than "MAN ALWAYS BAD" terf shit
? Im just trying to steelman their points
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Here's one for the academics in the audience: in your experience, which specific discipline is most likely to have strikingly personal, dude-owes-me-money type beef with a guy who's been dead for nine hundred years? I know you get them in every field of study, of course, but I mean like statistically.
I'd say philosophy
alrighty, pope's dead. share your most memorable Childhood Catholic Trauma in the notes
I want to be VERY clear:
The Catholic Church is not your friend.
The Pope was not your friend.
Catholicism causes an incredible amount of misery in modern times. The fact that the U.S. government has become so fascist that even the Catholic Church feels the need to distance itself? that's terrifying, because it means some of the most hateful bigots in the world are pausing to say "whoa hey! hold up a little!"
The Catholic Church is easily one of the most evil global organizations in existence. By the sheer and incredible amount of HARM they have done and continue to do. If even they can't stomach this nazi shit... it's not because their moral compass has improved.
It's because even in their wildest dreams, they didn't think their ideals would succeed this cruelly.
"Some of the most hateful bigots"
The same pope who spoke against oppression of any people? The same church which has a specific wing to protect LGBT people in areas where they are oppressed?
They aren't perfect, but I think it's best not to complain about an organization that tries to help people, and has done more than we ever could.
the pope just died????
RIP. It's crazy, the bells outside my church are ringing. I'm upset cause that man was singlehandedly keeping so many of my more right wing/conservative family members and acquaintances in line and now it's going to get So Messy
If they chose him, they'll probably choose a good one???
here's hoping he doesn't come back 3 days later
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I love that physical and mental traits I have are deemed to be creepy and evil by my fellow leftists. It was GREAT for me growing up to hear that being short, chubby, into games, and depressed meant I deserved less friends and love in general.
It was super cool that my first impression of leftists was the #KillAllMen """meme""". I find it so wonderful that every 3 months, progressives on social media try to wokely quote fucking crime statistics and sometimes just reinvent eugenics psychology.
I'm so glad I found the only analytic blog on lefty tumblr
Something I've noticed within progressive circles is a sort of pseudo-tolerance of men's issues to appear nicer. I'm not referring to the treatment of domestic abuse, body shaming, or sexual assault because I've accepted that progressives will never meaningfully care about these issues regarding men in my lifetime.
I'm referring to venting/sharing your feelings. Even in its presentation, it wasn't really that genuine to me. "Women like guys who talk about their feelings." Like, don't vent because it's good for your wellbeing, do it because OTHERS want you to! Add in the pop-psychology idea that a man venting anything to anyone but a therapist is problematic and traumadumping, and you get a contradictory and confusing stew.
Oh, and if you share how badly sharing your feelings has gone, you'll just be victim-blamed or told to man up and get over it, but wokely. Even really GOOD male-focused feminist spaces end up presenting mental health as something you should ultimately be doing for others and not yourself. Not to mention, there's just a lack of acceptance that maybe some progressive people are still uncomfortable due to that whole "being raised in the patriarchy" thing.
The issue is a loop. It all just leaves me feeling a bit lost and hopeless.
You've been too analytic. Your sentence will be fake feminists sending you death threats.
Why the Church should accept Trans People: A Theological Argument
Firstly, the church claims that SRS is equivalent to castration, which in biblical times would turn someone into a eunuch. Yes there are Levitical laws against this (and against eunuchs entering the temple), but lets see what ELSE the bible has to say on the issue.
Isaiah 56:4-5 “For this is what the Lord says: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths,/ who choose what pleases me/ and hold fast to my covenant—/to them I will give within my temple and its walls/ a memorial and a name/ better than sons and daughters;/ I will give them an everlasting name/ that will endure forever.”
It seems almost as if those just people who human beings condemn will be rewarded!
Now is the issue of God creating us male or female, and God doesn’t make mistakes. First of all, we are created (known) by God before conception.
Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”
Look! When God forms His plan for us, he does not pay much attention to the womb, he pays attention to our purpose. In fact, it is often through our struggles that God reveals to us our purposes.
Exodus 4:10 “Moses said to the LORD, “Pardon your servant, Lord. I have never been eloquent, neither in the past nor since you have spoken to your servant. I am slow of speech and tongue."”
Luke 1:7 “ But they were childless because Elizabeth was not able to conceive, and they were both very old.”
Moses and Elizabeth both had purposes that directly contradicted their bodies! It is obvious that these problems caused them great shame and sadness, yet through God’s will they overcame their struggles, were transformed, and became tools of the Lord!
Who are we, mere humans, to say that God’s Law is greater than his Will? Look! The Blessed Mother conceived of a Child before marriage to Joseph! Will you call God a sinner for breaking the rules he himself established?
And as for the Law, let’s read a very important teaching by Christ on how to follow it correctly:
Mark 3:4 “Then he turned to his critics and asked, “Does the law permit good deeds on the Sabbath, or is it a day for doing evil? Is this a day to save life or to destroy it?” But they wouldn’t answer him.”
(I use the verses from the NIV throughout this post, but for Mark 3:4 I’ve chosen to use the NLT. “…or is it a day for doing evil?”, the wording used in the NLT, really captures the hypocrisy of the lovers of law. Imagine! The day the Lord set apart being used as a day for evil!)
It is easy to see that when following the law brings evil into the world, it is unlawful. Even the devil can quote scripture (see: the Temptation of Christ), which is why we have our consciences.
Jeremiah 31:33-34 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord.“I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts.I will be their God,and they will be my people.No longer will they teach their neighbor,or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’because they will all know me,from the least of them to the greatest,”
Does it not hurt you when you insult and degrade a trans person? This is how you can know that transphobia is NOT permitted by God. In fact, it breaks the law of the New Covenant, set by Jesus Christ himself.
John 13:34 "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.”
When you make transphobic comments and attacks, when you don’t welcome trans people into your churches or homes, are you loving as Jesus did? Are you loving that trans person so much that you would lay down your life for them, that you would bear the burden and guilt of each and every one of their sins?
1 Corinthians 13:4 “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.”
Obviously not. And furthermore, what do we know about hating others in the name of God?
1 John 2:9-11 “Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister is still in the darkness. Anyone who loves their brother and sister lives in the light, and there is nothing in them to make them stumble. But anyone who hates a brother or sister is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness. They do not know where they are going, because the darkness has blinded them.”
When a person has gender dysphoria, it is because God has a plan for them that involves transition. When you are transphobic, you commit blasphemy against God’s will, as well as break the covenant of Jesus Christ.
So to any and all transphobic Christians, I repeat the words of Jesus Christ to you:
Repent and believe in the Gospel! Do not judge, or you yourself will be judged! Love both your brother and your enemy!