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the setting is: If the total amount of internal flame isn’t enough for 27 to function like a normal person, his body will first fall asleep… If even sleep can’t replenish it, his body will unconsciously absorb flame (just like parallel world Byakuran). The problem is… 27’s flame capacity is already much higher than a normal person’s. So, it’s like he can absorb without limit…

helbram

Trio time ( + lambo babysitting )

sallywohoho

Soon… The me with the greatest potential of that moment is about to arrive.

dragonquestart

Carver casting Solar Flare Rek, Nevan, a slime, and terry showcasing different types of armor represented in Dragon Quest 6. As seen in the Dragon Quest 6 Official Japanese Guidebook.

GT thoughts Goten x Valese

The cool thing about Goten is that they give him a romantic relationship that is the inverse of his parents. Goku and Chichi can be described in many ways but ultimately the dyamic is one around the man being ignorant and the woman being more worldly guiding him along, but the joke is that Chichi is also an ignorant country bumpkin, it's just unwittingly so.

Now Valese is pretty ignorant as a sheltered rich girl from West City an extreme level similar to Goku the mountain boy. Now who is to guide her?

Now who is to guide her with hands intertwined but the most socially aware member of the Son family in Son Goten

You see, Chichi instilled her social awareness into Goten and her boy built on that in hopes to be more like his older brother Gohan's example, eventually surpassing him in social awareness. Goten is very invested in trends, style and experiences within the community as unlike the rest of his family, he is more tied to that urban lifestyle. All of which makes him a viable teacher to Valese.

Granted, Goten isn't exactly the brightest himself either, so that is why Valese's ignorance is so extreme. Again, it's almost a complete inversion on Goku and Chichi's dynamic, except with the added twist if Chichi was the Hero and Goku was the damsel in need of saving.

What do you guys think? Were they creating another variation of the Goku x Chichi concept to explore through Goten x Valese that was distinct to the Gohan x Videl dynamic?

#dbz #dragon ball #dragon ball gt #Goten #Valese #goten x valese #palace #goku x chichi #GT breakdown

Mini GT theory

Super 17 Saga mini-theory. Might be totally baseless though

Unlike my other posts regarding Dragon Ball GT's preproductions, this is based on post production changes. I believe the reason why Chichi and Videl have a subplot of carrying everything except the kitchen sink to aid Goku in battle against Super 17 was for a support role where they bring Goku an iconic weapon that would aid him in evening the playing field against the Energy Absorber.

THE POWER POLE

Goku could've switched from energy blast attacks into melee combat while keeping his distance away from Super 17 after his energy. Toei likely had a more choreographed fight scene in the storyboards or early scripts but due to production constraints abandoned them. That is why the fight lacks a lot of martial arts because it was going to be juxtaposed with a martial arts spectacle in the 2nd half that was cut at the last minute, but hey, at least their appearance adds to the family support theming of the Super 17 saga.

I think Chichi and Videl participation is strong justification for Goku to get his most iconic weapon in time for an appropriate opponent that would allow a cool counter attack.

#dbz #dragon ball #dragon ball gt #super 17 #chichi #videl #power pole #goku

GT thoughts 2

Have you ever wondered why the start of GT is so weird? By that I mean, Goku doesn't get to have his fight with Uub be as amazing as it could be with him as a ssj3, Goku doesn't really want to go on a Dragon Ball hunt in space for another adventure, the new generation of saiyans haven't progressed like at all in their training or forms, like people were expecting Pan to at least be a SSJ by this point of the story since Goten and Trunks were SSJs at 7-8 yos. In fact, it's a little weird seeing Vegeta with that mustache and mismatched outfit, Bulma is sloppy and old, and Trunks is a businessman now. There were so many jarring things happening at once that were never addressed in GT, but I believe that all of these were originally seeds being planted for exploration.

GT was setting up questions and problems to resolve with time. Goku and Uub can't go all out in a fight without risking the Earth. Even Vegeta at the End of Z claimed that the tournament grounds wouldn't be enough, but that what they require is an entire planet as their battle ground.

Well, guess whose family at the end of the Baby Saga inherited an entire Planet? The Briefs family by default get New Planet Plant since they managed the evacuation efforts of Earth. So it's highly likely that Toei had plans by the end of GT for this property to eventually be formed into the new world martial arts tournament grounds. Elevating the structure to new heights.

Now why is the new generation of Saiyan not acting like warriors and everyone is concerned with superfluous things? Well that is simply because of Gohan's failing to reconcile his Saiyan instincts with his Earthling values in the Buu saga unlike Vegeta. Because Gohan failed to learn his lesson, the generation that looked up to him as a role model, copied his example and repeated Gohan's mistakes. Strength is good for emergencies but that is it. It's next to useless in their mind for their concerns. The true goal as they see it is how to conform into society, like how Gohan got a salaryman job, a wife and a kid to provide for while being strong enough to hang with the strongest and keep people safe. Gohan is a flawed but well-meaning role model that instills the idea of responsibility, but since his priorities don't account for his managing his Saiyan instincts, neither do the next generation making each of them either repressed/frustrated or directionless coping in various ways. Trunks is like a trained running dog that needs to stretch his legs being kept in a small yard. Essentially, that is why he skips out on work; not because he doesn't find fulfillment in excelling in his duties, but because the need for activity isn't being met. He feels chained to his desk. The new generation like Goten and Bulla are staying distracted with frivolous things like relationships or fashion trends, but they need direction to excel. The abundance of freedom in the new generation is leading characters all over the place and they all need structure or at least systems in place to become their best selves. The lack of guidance for their energy leads to characters growing insecure since their needs aren't being met yet the previous generation claiming that they are. So it's up to the community to address these problems for a more sustainable community.

Well GT wants to build new structures and systems to address the lack of structure by the end of the story. Pan can't be that End of Z go-getter anymore without any external sources to prove herself against or match after all. She needs things to explore if she is to lead a life similar to Goku or Gohan like she wants. But there are no strong competition or external threats anymore in these peaceful times which is why she runs away to prove herself.

The reason why is that originally GT was presenting a narrative of reaching idealistic outcomes from less than idealistic starting points. If you look at Goku's journey throughout the whole series, his successes always came with caveats. Goku recognized this but was accepting of it as well. It is what it is. He simply was transitioning from a career mindset into a retirement mindset. He planted a lot of seeds and now it's time to watch them grow and collect the harvest. For better or for worse. But like Western movies or the Godfather, they dragged Goku back into it.

Take the Saiyan Saga Goku compared to the Baby Saga Goku. Both are alien invasions of Earth, but Goku and allies were left broken and barely scraped out a victory. Compare to the Baby saga where Goku becomes a bastion of Earth's strength as it's greatest Champion that safeguarded her from foreign threats. A far more idealistic outcome. GT's circular narrative wanted to touch on previous established tropes, arcs and sagas and remix them together, then they deconstruct the arc before crafting a more idealistic outcome with the collective community in mind.

They wanted to address many of the weaknesses one can find in Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z. Tie up as many loose ends as they could as well while they were at it. The GT as we know it is basically Chrono Trigger if you skipped most if not all of the Sidequests and bypassed a couple of levels as well. But we can uncover a lot more from the bones if we continue to dig deeper.

#dbz #dragon ball #dragon ball gt #goku #pan #uub #trunks #goten #gohan #bulla

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Bulla GT theory

These 2 designs cause so much controversy within DB community and alienated potential fans for GT immediately, but I got a few theories about them.

Cutting to the chase, Bulla was NEVER intended to be the youngest new generation character within Dragon Ball GT like she is in Dragon Ball manga and Super. That roll was always Pan within GT. Bulla is a teenage girl around 14-16 years old, STRICTLY within Toei's anime continuity.

What most likely happened was that Toei when crafting GT based on whatever they could extrapolate from the End of Z and prior, they mistook the age range of Bulla. They saw 3 characters who were kids but since Bulla was better spoken than Pan and had screentime that obscured her height and design. They mistook her for being the same age as Uub and with an age difference of Bulma and Goku. They likely wanted to end the series of GT for these 2 girls to match the ages of the 2 deuterognists that started the brand.

Why didn't Toriyama ever correct this? Well it's because he was burned out after the Buu Saga and wanted little to no further involvement with the brand beyond obligations. He was more than happy to hand the baton off to Toei while he either rested or moved onto any other creative projects. Remember, he had little to no direct involvement with GT. All he probably said about Bulla is her being a mini-Bulma and her relationship with a couple of characters like being spoiled by Vegeta who grew to become a better father. It would defeat the purpose of both Bulma's and Vegeta's growing maturity to dress their 9-10 year old child like a broadway showgirl, but as a trendy teenage girl that takes after her Mother. This is par for the course

Bulla's fashion is actually based on trends of the time (roughly 1995-1997 GT's pre-production) mostly by the Amuraa style which was popularized by Namie Amuro. Mini skirts with shorts underneath, crop tops, thigh high boots, lots of leather or spandex. Toei's design team likely cherry picked from many of her magazine covers, music videos and concerts.

This is Namie Amuro and some of her fasion choices of the time

Starting to see the resemblance yet?

Though you might've noticed that Bulla's hair is modeled after Bulma

Though I say theory because Toriyama worked on a lot of GT intial designs so maybe he just hadn't finalized on Bulla's age or went along with Toei's planned out concepts/ notes or just forgot. Who knows.

Additional theory. Vegeta is based on a prevalent subculture of out of touch, but strong/stern Japanese fathers. The fashion is supposedly similar to professional Karaoke bar singers who would get off of work and sing together. Blow off steam and some making money. Some of them would get carried away and take it way too seriously. So maybe that is where Bulma alluded to Vegeta's recurring disappearances. He connected to Earth through a music career that he is too embarassed to share with his family, but found pride or satisfaction in it. This actually would be supported for gags such as professional karaoke singers are hired and perform for companies and parties like Capsule Corp might throw or his family members might even attend to potentially stumble on Vegeta's secret double life, but that would provide a musician inspired theme for both Father and Daughter, even if it's merely a shorthand to Vegeta adapting to Earth and not some gymrat Father who earnestly moonlights as a musician

This theory I am not totally convinced of because I can't find this Japanese subculture beyond Amekaji American fashion through a Japanese lens. All I find with Japanese Karaoke is teenagers, anime and idols. Maybe it was common on Tokusatsu series or something?

I mean GT is themed around Self-Discovery and Freedom. So this could be viewed as Vegeta exploring his emotional range and expressing it in a new way similar to how Goku channels his energy through martial arts. The workaholic Vegeta might've needed something totally foreign to do this constructively without baggage, but expressed in a funny way. Toriyama and Toei might've wanted to subvert expectations and besides SSJ4's design would've been unchanged by it's characteristics of bringing a Saiyan into their prime state. So if anything, if Vegeta kept the look more or less, it and SSJ forms would've been even more striking and distinctive from the Gohan or Goten designs.

Additional headcannon is that Vegeta's alternate outfit wasn't his fashion choice, but an outfit Bulla picked out for him within her fashion sense. They both have a lot of leather and makes Vegeta's attempt to win back points with her after shaving his mustache off even funnier as the blow to his pride was so bad, that he just stopped wearing anything his little princess didn't expressly pick out for him moving forward. Vegeta would hypothetically be even more wrapped around her finger if this were the case.

What do you think? Am I way off base here or am I onto something DB fandom? If you guys have anything you want to add or your own theories, please share them with me

imjustayleen

YES YES YES AND YES.

yusuke96universe

Just posted another GT breakdown if you're interested.

Please tell me if there are anything you are particularly curious about and I can share what I got so far on it

GT thoughts

GT had a real strong vision early on during it's conception and drafting stages which we can reverse engineer since unlike Toriyama's flying by the seed of his pants approach. Toei is a production company with a discernible method to emulate Toriyama's writing. It's how they created many fan favorite Dragon Ball stories from across DB and DBZ. Again, GT was intended to be the culmination and finale to this continuity.

It had the goal to tie up as many loose plot threads and fulfill as many character arcs as possible, but ironically doing these things half heartedly led to the perception that it was this incompetent cash grab of a series coasting off of nostalgia and brand recognition.

But GT doesn't stand for Goku Time like many believe, it stands for Grand Tour which suggests it wanted to tour the Dragon World and ALL it had to offer before pushing it into a new age of Dragon Ball stories as set up for what we would later come to know as Modern Dragon Ball.

The reason why we failed to get the idealized GT vision that was pitched, greenlit and was the skeleton of the GT story that was eventually produced was because of the very nature of the production and the time it came out in. Unlike Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z, there was no tested source material to ADAPT and scaffold original stories around. GT was this untested and untried concept like many other tv shows that needed time to figure out what worked and what didn't. They would quickly make compromises to their vision depending on what was or wasn't well received. These growing pains normally are a good thing in most productions, but for something like GT it ultimately hurt the story

It's like an author who can't fully commit to their vision either out of a lack of faith or pragmatism. Choosing to keep the core parts of the story and getting rid of the rest. Goku's story was definitely rushed and for from being executed perfectly, but it ultimately was fulfilled by GT's 64 episode run. Goku's purity was refined until he reached transcendance and GT even ended with him watching over his and Vegeta's reincarnations. Goku jr and Vegeta jr. (Yes they are more than mere descendants, it's implied heavily during the Hero's Legacy special)

The closest comparison of the era I can make to the GT we received vs the GT we were intended to receive is Chrono Trigger. The main story of Chrono Trigger is a real basic time travel story to save the world from Lavos, but the reason what elevated the game and the story were all of the sidequests that fleshed out the journey, the characters and even provided alternate endings and a more fully realized gaming experience. In fact, games like Chrono Trigger and Dragon Quest games 1-6 were models of inspiration for GT.

The Grand Tour wanted to push and innovate the franchise even further by making the cast more introspective and broaden their horizons. The reason for this is because that is what the brand of Dragon Ball had always done. GT is a story around Self-Discovery and Hopeful themes.

From fights becoming more coordinated team ups, to adding in more Tokusatsu influence with the Power Ranger phenomenon in the West and trying to build a bridge to hop on the magical girl boom with their enlarged female cast.

Toei created GT as an allegory for Post Bubble Japan aka The Lost Decade. The bubble economy with it's endless inflation and debts came crashing down hard leaving Japan in a really bad state. Toei made comparisons to Japan's unsustainable escalation business model of the bubble era to the unsustainable story escalation within Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z. This was nothing new for Toei's studios as they love to place allegorical stories within their works. For GT specifically was to show how to form a sustainable community. In fact, each saga of GT has real world counterparts and you can even find missing stories that were cut out of GT due to production constraints. (I have found at least 2 missing sagas and more fleshed out versions of existing stories of GT)

Contraints such as the Skeleton Crew that were leftover to work on GT. After DBZ ended, the staff were scattered across to other projects. Leaving GT's staff without many of the fight choreographers to create the fights Dragon Ball was known for having. The tight deadlines and schedules didn't help with burn out either, but the passion is still there in GT's fights even if they were working with far less than they previously had. From creative energy attacks, to sound design, to crisper art, etc. But the shortcuts could not bridge the gap of the carefully curated fights of it's predecessors.

Eventually, to maintain viewership, GT had to continuously cut corners and cut content just to complete their vision in some shape or form. Since they accomplished that much, GT was likely deemed a commercial success, even if barely, but they weren't feeling experimental after such a disaster of a production moving onto safer storytelling as it yielded better reception.

So yes, the fan reading of GT having great concepts but a rushed and poor execution were correct. The original skeleton and bones of the story drafted in pre-production is much stronger narrative continuation of the franchise.

I avoided getting into anything too specific in this post as it was dragging on, but if anyone has questions, I might dig into them as well

#dragon ball #dragon ball gt #GT #DBZ #dragon ball meta #dragon ball analysis #dbgt appreciation #anime discussion #hot take #dragon ball z #dragonball

Bulla GT theory

These 2 designs cause so much controversy within DB community and alienated potential fans for GT immediately, but I got a few theories about them.

Cutting to the chase, Bulla was NEVER intended to be the youngest new generation character within Dragon Ball GT like she is in Dragon Ball manga and Super. That roll was always Pan within GT. Bulla is a teenage girl around 14-16 years old, STRICTLY within Toei's anime continuity.

What most likely happened was that Toei when crafting GT based on whatever they could extrapolate from the End of Z and prior, they mistook the age range of Bulla. They saw 3 characters who were kids but since Bulla was better spoken than Pan and had screentime that obscured her height and design. They mistook her for being the same age as Uub and with an age difference of Bulma and Goku. They likely wanted to end the series of GT for these 2 girls to match the ages of the 2 deuterognists that started the brand.

Why didn't Toriyama ever correct this? Well it's because he was burned out after the Buu Saga and wanted little to no further involvement with the brand beyond obligations. He was more than happy to hand the baton off to Toei while he either rested or moved onto any other creative projects. Remember, he had little to no direct involvement with GT. All he probably said about Bulla is her being a mini-Bulma and her relationship with a couple of characters like being spoiled by Vegeta who grew to become a better father. It would defeat the purpose of both Bulma's and Vegeta's growing maturity to dress their 9-10 year old child like a broadway showgirl, but as a trendy teenage girl that takes after her Mother. This is par for the course

Bulla's fashion is actually based on trends of the time (roughly 1995-1997 GT's pre-production) mostly by the Amuraa style which was popularized by Namie Amuro. Mini skirts with shorts underneath, crop tops, thigh high boots, lots of leather or spandex. Toei's design team likely cherry picked from many of her magazine covers, music videos and concerts.

This is Namie Amuro and some of her fasion choices of the time

Starting to see the resemblance yet?

Though you might've noticed that Bulla's hair is modeled after Bulma

Though I say theory because Toriyama worked on a lot of GT intial designs so maybe he just hadn't finalized on Bulla's age or went along with Toei's planned out concepts/ notes or just forgot. Who knows.

Additional theory. Vegeta is based on a prevalent subculture of out of touch, but strong/stern Japanese fathers. The fashion is supposedly similar to professional Karaoke bar singers who would get off of work and sing together. Blow off steam and some making money. Some of them would get carried away and take it way too seriously. So maybe that is where Bulma alluded to Vegeta's recurring disappearances. He connected to Earth through a music career that he is too embarassed to share with his family, but found pride or satisfaction in it. This actually would be supported for gags such as professional karaoke singers are hired and perform for companies and parties like Capsule Corp might throw or his family members might even attend to potentially stumble on Vegeta's secret double life, but that would provide a musician inspired theme for both Father and Daughter, even if it's merely a shorthand to Vegeta adapting to Earth and not some gymrat Father who earnestly moonlights as a musician

This theory I am not totally convinced of because I can't find this Japanese subculture beyond Amekaji American fashion through a Japanese lens. All I find with Japanese Karaoke is teenagers, anime and idols. Maybe it was common on Tokusatsu series or something?

I mean GT is themed around Self-Discovery and Freedom. So this could be viewed as Vegeta exploring his emotional range and expressing it in a new way similar to how Goku channels his energy through martial arts. The workaholic Vegeta might've needed something totally foreign to do this constructively without baggage, but expressed in a funny way. Toriyama and Toei might've wanted to subvert expectations and besides SSJ4's design would've been unchanged by it's characteristics of bringing a Saiyan into their prime state. So if anything, if Vegeta kept the look more or less, it and SSJ forms would've been even more striking and distinctive from the Gohan or Goten designs.

Additional headcannon is that Vegeta's alternate outfit wasn't his fashion choice, but an outfit Bulla picked out for him within her fashion sense. They both have a lot of leather and makes Vegeta's attempt to win back points with her after shaving his mustache off even funnier as the blow to his pride was so bad, that he just stopped wearing anything his little princess didn't expressly pick out for him moving forward. Vegeta would hypothetically be even more wrapped around her finger if this were the case.

What do you think? Am I way off base here or am I onto something DB fandom? If you guys have anything you want to add or your own theories, please share them with me

#Dragon ball GT #dragon ball #bulla briefs #namie amuro #bulla #vegeta #gt vegeta #character design #fashion

iancsamson

Superboy! Super-Sister!

It's fun pondering a canon where Superboy #78 ended differently.

What if he was stuck as a girl from then on? Or able to swap whenever and gets yet another secret identity? Or able to split into two? Or all of the above after a few retcons and reboots and random Kryptonite interactions, sure!

Hm hm. Anywho, enjoy some randoms!

droolingdemon

android 17 is one of the few characters who came out of super for the better (both in writing and design). a weird character to get buffed to hell but im happy someone whos not a saiyan or freiza got to do cool shiz! been playing him in fighterz too.

onomatapeanut

The Way of Muscles (aka Twilight teaches Wind how to sumo) ᕙ⁠(⁠ ⁠¤⁠ ⁠〰⁠ ⁠¤⁠ ⁠)⁠ᕗ

~

This one's been sitting in my WIPs for a while. I sketched an idea of this a while ago, after I saw a doodle by JoJo here.

But as I tend to do, I really underestimated how strong my procrastinating powers were (⁠•⁠ ⁠▽⁠ ⁠•⁠;⁠)ゞ

raycatzdraws

The true botw shrine experience. I don't think Four approves!

The full comic page and some colorful Fours can be found under the read more!

cheatsylu

@/linkeduniverse has gotta be my favourite webcomic at the moment, with its incredible writing, characters, and art, made by an even more incredible artist! Keep up the amazing work Jojo!

(Individual characters + duo's below)