Interview 17 from Kamen Rider Ex-Aid Character Book LEVEL.1
The relationship between Hojo Emu / Kamen Rider Ex-Aid and Parad / Kamen Rider ParaDX has been revealed.
How do Iijima Hiroki and Kai Shouma, who play the role of Emu and Parad, think about the relationship between the two, who are inseparable from each other, and how do they plan to express it in the future? While looking back on the hints woven throughout the story, they talk about each other's feelings!
序盤に比べると、翔真とー緒に撮影する機会がぐんと増えたよね。
Iijima: Compared to the beginning of the show, there are much more opportunities to shoot with Shoma.
15話くらいからね。同時に、永夢とパラドは同じ人物だってことがジワジワ明かされさて。
Kai: From about episode 15. At the same time, it's slowly revealed that Emu and Parad are the same person.
身長はこんなに違うけど(笑)。
Iijima: Our heights are so different, though.
(笑)
Kai: (laughs)
見てくださってる方たちは、どの辺で僕たちの関係性に気づいたのかな。
Iijima: I wonder where the viewers noticed the relationship between us.
Kai: It was probably episode 16 that made you think, "Huh?". Right after Emu's eyes glowed red for a moment, Parad appeared. When he turned around, Parad was sitting on top of the fountain.
Iijima: There was foreshadowing in episode 19, wasn't there? In that episode, I was Gamer M all the way to the end, but Parad didn't show up during that time.
永夢に戻った後でパラドが登場するんだよね。「おかえり、永夢」ってね。大胆なヒント。
Kai: It's after you return to Emu that Parad comes into play. "Welcome back, Emu," he said. A bold hint.
23話では永夢の邪な心として出てくるでしょ。耳元でささやいてきて。
Iijima: It will come out as Emu's evil heart in episode 23. He whispered in his ear.
Kai: It may be close from a human point of view, but you have to remember that bugsters are not the same as humans. You can't measure their behavior with human yardsticks.
Kai: That's right, lol. By the way, we became very aware of each other's existence after the relationship between the two started to be depicted, didn't we?
パラドは永夢にとって必要不可欠な存在だからね。パラドがいなければゲーマーMはいない。
Iijima: Parad is an essential part of Emu's life. Without Parad, there would be no Gamer M.
逆も言える。永夢がいなければパラドは存在し得なかった。
Kai: The opposite is also true. Without Emu, Parad could not have existed.
僕たちは切っても切れない関係。永夢とパラドは表裏ー体だから。
Iijima: We are inseparable. Emu and Parad are two sides of the same coin.
そこを出すために、僕は現場でもオンエアでも寛騎の芝居をじっくリチエツワしてるよ。
Kai: In order to bring that out, I've been watching Hiroki's acting closely both on the set and on air.
Iijima: I also watch Shoma's acting very closely. There have been a number of plays that I believe would never have been created had I not been at the mercy of Parad. In episode 23, when he defeated Gemn, he made me feel like I had to make him pay for his sins. When Emu was taken over by Parad, we talked about how to make him more Parad-like.
Kai: After 30 episodes, you have an established image of the character, so you can predict how he will act. Now it's up to me to figure out how to play my role in it. Emu is very pure and untainted, and he throws his heart and soul into saving the patients. I think the challenge for the future is how to match that undeniable sense of justice with the justice that Parad has as a bugster. The relationship between Emu and Parad is a clash of justice and righteousness, so we need to find an answer to the other's play through our relationship.
今後の展開がわからないから、手探リの部分も多いけど。
Iijima: I don't know what's going to happen in the future, so I have a lot of exploring to do.
パラドが敵のままなのか、永夢と共闘するのかもしれないし。
Kai: Maybe Parad will remain an enemy, or maybe he will fight together with Emu.
でも、どう転ぶにしても、今後はもっと影響し合っていかないとね。
Iijima: But no matter how it turns out, we need to influence each other more in the future.
Kai: All of the interactions between Emu and Parad are foreshadowing, and I think they're important to follow the story, but what scenes left a strong impression on you?
やっぱリ、お互いのマックス大変身かな。あれはエキサイトした。
Iijima: I think it was each other's Max Dai Henshin. That was exciting.
30話だよね。 正面で向き合って、同時にマックス大変身したシーン!
Kai: Episode 30, right? The scene where they faced each other head on and did the Max Dai Henshin at the same time!
Kai: The end of episode 18, I think. The scene where Parad grabs Kuroto after he reveals that Emu has game disease. That was the first time Parad showed the "anger" part of his emotions, so it left a strong impression on me.
僕にとってもすごく大事なシーンだったから、よく覚えてる。
Iijima: I remember it well because it was a very important scene for me.
パラドが永夢に味方しているのかどうか、わからないところもいい感じで。
Kai: It's also a nice touch that I'm not sure if Parad is on Emu's side or not.
謎が残っていていいよね。
Iijima: It's nice that there's still a mystery.
結果的には味方しているように見えるけど実際は「俺が倒したいから誰も手を出すな」ってことだし。
Kai: As a result, it looks like he's taking sides, but in reality it's "I want to take him down, so nobody mess with him".
Iijima: Because even after that, Parad continues to enhance Emu. Like when he got the gashat to become Mighty Brothers XX, Parad is trying to agitate and play with Emu, but also trying to raise him to a higher level.
Kai: As Parad has said many times, "Emu's power is not like this." Parad believes that Emu can still exceed his limits, and he wants to challenge him to a decisive battle when Emu has reached his highest level.
簡単に言えば、人間の永夢とバグスターのMの対決だからね。
Iijima: Simply put, it's a confrontation between the human Emu and the bugster M.
さらに極端に言うと、 "自分対自分"。
Kai: To take it to the extreme, it's "me versus myself."
その関係が見えるシーンは演じていて楽しい。永夢のいろいろな感情を見せられるから。
Iijima: The scenes where you can see the relationship between them are fun to play. I can show the various emotions of Emu.
Iijima: If you say "my Emu," well, you know (laughs). He's a doctor, so rather than wanting to defeat Parad at any cost, he wants to live in peace. He's the type of person who doesn't like to get into trouble.
Iijima: And yet, Parad is agitated, isn't he? When Emu confronts him with the enthusiasm of wanting him to change his way of thinking, he becomes even more agitated. I mean, Shoma, your theatrics are too good!
だってパラドは、永夢を本気にさせないといけないから(笑)。
Kai: Because Parad has to make Emu take him seriously (lol).
Iijima: It's not a "Come on, come on, come on!" kind of thing, it's a quiet, gradual kind of thing, right? My Gamer M play is definitely inspired by that.
直接的に言わない煽り方に？
Kai: To stir things up without saying it directly?
Iijima: He says it in a gentle, huffy way, but it's the opposite that sinks into Emu's heart. The scene in episode 23 where he said in my ear, "Can you forgive the guy who killed Lazer?" That scene was really dangerous!
Kai: Those scenes mean that the fighting spirit is rising, so they're transforming, and there's a lot of postrecording. Especially in episodes 29 and 30, when the tension between Emu and Parad is at its highest, most of the battle scenes are dubbed.
確かに。今後もアフレコでもどう気分を高められるかが鍵になる、か。
Iijima: Indeed. The key will be how we can continue to raise our spirits in the recording sessions.
Kai: When Hiroki gets into the role, his eyes suddenly shine. When you see his eyes light up, he's already in the role of Emu. Sometimes I think it's like a switch.
そうかな？
Iijima: Is that so?
逆に言うと、役に入っていない時は目に光がない (笑)。
Kai: Conversely, when he's not in the role, there's no light in his eyes (laughs).
Kai: Everyone is moody, so they don't care if they don't mesh. That's the way it is. That's what makes us comfortable. In the beginning, Parad had a lot of solo scenes, so I didn't have time to spend with everyone, so I couldn't be part of the cast. Recently, I've been spending more time with everyone, and every day is fun.
最近ではうるさいくらいだもん。若いからバイタリティがすごいし (笑)。
Iijima: It's so noisy nowadays. You're young, so you have great vitality (laughs).
Iijima: The freshness is different. Shoma has a freshness that only a teenager can have. Sometimes he looks childish, and other times he looks surprisingly mature. I think it's great that the range of age is alive in Parad's role.
気まぐれで、大人になったリ子どもになったリするからね。
Kai: He can become an adult or a child on a whim.
その振り幅も、時々作裂する鋭いツッコミも、最強 (笑)!
Iijima: His range and his occasional tsukkomi are the strongest (lol)!
ボケよりはツッコミだと自認していたけどそんなに鋭いかな?
Kai: I've always considered myself more of a tsukkomi than a boke, but am I that sharp?
ズバッと、どストレートに刺さる。
Iijima: It sticks straight to the heart.
よく一発が重いって言われる (笑)。
Kai: People often say that one shot is too heavy (laughs).
Kai: I think it's a great set. Once the shooting starts, Hiroki, Toshiki, and the others get into the roles quickly, so we can keep a good sense of tension.
みんな切リ替え上手だもんね。ところで、今後の永夢とパラドの関係はどうなる思う？
Iijima: Everyone is good at switching sides, aren't they? By the way, what do you think the relationship between Emu and Parad will be like in the future?
Kai: There's a character called Gemdeus who is the strongest character in the bugster. And the only one who can defeat him is Kamen Rider Kronos. Until we find out if we're going to team up with him or remain enemies with him, it's hard to say.
Kai: Kamen Rider Paradox's design is more heroic, so I think it's not surprising that he's on Emu's side. But my wish is for Parad to remain an enemy of Emu until the end! If you think of Parad as a hero of the Bugster, that design makes sense!
Iijima: I thought it would be fun if Emu and Parad could work together, and if I called out, "Parad!" I could instantly transfer or split, it would play out like in an anime. It would also be interesting to keep the tension between the two enemies.
Kai: Humans have human feelings, and bugsters have bugster feelings. If those different beliefs can be merged somewhere, I think it would be fun to be on the same side.
Iijima: Whether we are fighting as enemies or working together to confront strong enemies, I hope we can continue to move forward, both bumping into and receiving inspiration from each other. I'm going to try to eat up Parad, and I hope Parad will try to eat up Emu.
“All the patients I’ve met knew how scary dying was. They knew how precious life was, and they were grateful to be able to live healthy lives. Now that you have felt the fear of death, I believe you now have it in you to understand just how irreplaceable life is.”
“Why are you doing this for me? I’m just the virus that infected you.”
“My game illness is part of who I am. It’s part of what makes me, me. So it’s also my responsibility to go face-to-face with you, and to carry your sins, and atone for them.”
Gamer M’s true identity is not a human being, but a bugster who transforms into a Kamen Rider, born out of Emu’s desire to have a playmate. Kai Shouma, who played a role that is inextricably linked to that of the main character, talks about the trajectory of the battle and his thoughts on the role of Parad.
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