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do they know they're in love?
Asked about ‘How Do You Sleep?,’ George said, “It doesn’t help at all. I’m glad it wasn’t about me. I said to John as we were recording it, ‘It’s pretty hard on him.’
(Source: “Give Peace a Chance—By George,” Daily Express, October 4, 1971)
oh spare me your bullshit and lies George, you were happy to play on it and you did jack shit to push back on John because you were all in on trying to crush Paul at that point. You felt regret because your friends at Rolling Stone reamed you and John new assholes over HDYS and it didn’t get you the acclaim you wanted from it and so you tried to save face. At least own what you did.
I don’t think the McLennon fandom is talking enough about John’s word association exercise from 1976.
“Paul: extraordinary”
I hate you, I really hate you…so much I think it must be true love
Because how can you think of true love’s antics without McLennon?
Oh, this is so perfect. These babies. I just want to watch this all day.
"This was one of the main faults of John and Paul. They were so busy being John and Paul, they failed to realize who else was around at the time.”--George Harrison
“Through Our Love” includes the lines “We can do things they said were impossible, through our love,” which sounds like a love song to Linda “Yeah, well, in my case it would be to Linda. If it was Guy Mitchell singing it — that’s going back, let’s get a bit more modern for the younger readers — if it was Manilow or somebody singing it, you wouldn’t think ‘Oh, it’s for his girlfriend.’ Because it’s me, you think it’s for Linda. Which, as I say, for me it is, but I don’t write songs like that, I don’t write them as diaries. I remember George Harrison saying ‘l can’t write stuff like you. You write stuff like Ob-La-Di-Ob-La-Da about Desmond and Molly, what’s it mean? But to me its just the same as someone wrote ‘They’re having a Heatwave,’ it might have been winter when he wrote it… Songs don’t have to mean anything actually, it’s allowed to make it up. All the best stuff doesn’t mean anything… I’d like a young married couple to take it for themselves, Fred and Ena, ‘Through Our Love’ is for them as well as being my thing to Linda.”
— Paul McCartney, from Club Sandwich N° 31, 1983.
Seems like old times
Penn Jillette mention Lennon-McCartney as "love affair" compilation
"Business partners, I mean, the most important thing about our partnership is it's not based on cuddly love and affection….. I mean, Lennon and McCartney had a love affair pretty clearly. Martin and Lewis had a love affair, Jagger and Richards had a love affair. And when that goes south, when all of a sudden love fades away, it becomes a huge explosion. I mean, Lennon and McCartney hated each other. And with working with Teller there was no real attraction. "(2010)
Penn and Teller are not like other famous duos, says Penn Jillette , the larger and more talkative of the two magicians. Lennon and McCartney, Martin and Lewis, Jagger and Richards—these relationships were rooted in love and affection, and “when all of a sudden love fades away it becomes a huge explosion.”(2010)
"I believe that the volatile groups Lennon and McCartney, Martin and Lewis, Gilbert and Sullivan… We don’t have teams nowadays, we have to go back in time, but um, Martin and Lewis, and specially Lennon and McCartney - those two groups..were love affairs, those were two people who fell in love; Lennon and McCartney were certainly in love. And then when things start to not go right, love is heartbreaking."(2011)
Though he(Penn) has called Teller his best friend, Penn has said that the two share few common interests, and that unlike famously volatile partnerships based in intense personal relationships—such as Jerry Lewis and Dean Martin, or John Lennon and Paul McCartney—they benefit professionally from giving each other “space” in their offstage lives. (2017)
"Most teams start out as love affairs. I mean, certainly Lennon-McCartney, certainly Martin and Lewis, and Teller and I never felt that. "(2017)
"That said; the longevity of our relationship comes from an absence of love. I believe that Martin & Lewis are the best example, but you also have Lennon & McCartney, Gilbert & Sullivan… these are teams that fell in love. Lennon & McCartney were- by every definition- madly, head over heels in love with each other. When that falls apart, it’s horrible, heart breaking… When these two men discovered they wanted to have girlfriends, marriages and a personal life? The rejection they felt was heartbreaking.
All that said, over 45 years Teller has become I best friend. When our parents died, when I was married, when I had children….. I mean the first person to hold my children after my wife and I, was Teller. The difference is that Lennon & McCartney wanted to be breathing each other’s air, they wanted to be close to each other, and feel that affection. As soon as they weren’t getting along, it was heartbreaking. "(2020)
The magician Penn Jillette once said that the secret of his 50 year professional relationship with partner Teller is that they were never friends.
Citing the example of The Beatles, he stated that John Lennon and Paul McCartney "fell in love and put that in front of the job", whereas he and Teller were business partners first and foremost.(2025)
"Well, you know, many of your teams fall in love. I mean, Lennon and McCartney were in love." (2025)
I asked Jillette why he said onstage that he rarely agreed with Teller when it's clearly not true, and he replied, "It's useful.” He brought up how bands get emotionally sloppy and break up over petty relationship issues. "I'm mad at Lennon and McCartney for falling in love and putting that in front of the job,” he said, changing the tone in his voice.(2026)
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Does anybody know Penn relationship with Paul? i know he analysis abt Now and Then when the single release.
"head over heels" "breathing each other air" "fall in love put that infront of job" the word he describe ITS INSANE.
Do you think a lot of John’s harshness&distance towards Paul in the 70’s was not only the result of the breakup but also personal hurts that grew into resentment before that? Like it’s so interesting to me that Paul was kind of the one chasing after reconciliation and literally knocking on his door (musically as well it’s very ‘baby come baaaack’ you know?) but in the 60’s Paul was the first one to step out on him musically with Family Way and just general accounts of Paul running in his own social circle outside the band. John had kinda hinted at hurt feelings at what he perceived as Paul’s insensitivity and it seems he felt left behind by Paul first hence John eventually burning that bridge in turn when he felt he had the upper hand. Do you think John examined his own feelings on Paul in a vulnerable way even just to himself? because he didn’t allow himself to really speak on him outside the borders of contempt for the most part, in a way that feels like there was something more sad and vulnerable at its center. I get the feeling John was also embarrassed by how hurt he was and compensated by being a hater lol (my relatable guy 🫶)
Oh, definitely! It always seemed to me that it was a perfect storm.
In a 1991 interview, Paul said “John started to think he’s got a jinx. Any men he lives with leave. I think John was a very frightened person about that.” Think about that. Just his mere existence could cause abandonment. 💔 Paul had been the exception until then. He’d been an unshakeable pillar. Paul had accepted him, revered him, celebrated him, respected him. Above everyone else. And John to him, as well. Closed loop. Equilibrium. So much of John’s vision of himself was Paul’s reflection. I think John felt more than just abandonment when Paul started to venture out; I think it was like splitting his identity. So yeah, I definitely think that distance was born out of something way deeper than the breakup itself.
And I don’t think he tried to rectify the hurt that caused. I don’t think he had the capability to at the time. I think it was so big, so devastating, that he turned on it first before Paul could ever actually leave him. I’ve tried to think about that before: a reality where Paul left John. When I run it through my mind, I sometimes think…I literally don’t know if John would have survived it. Paul barely did.
I think the only way John gets through avoiding the perceived inevitably of being left, is by being the person to end it. In flames. To find a way to hate it so that he doesn’t sink so low that he never makes it back up. And, totally- he also compensated for both his embarrassment of his hurt and his embarrassment for still holding devotion for Paul that he went to extremes at times just to try to have the upper hand. I just think it was absolutely the only way he could deal with the perceived threat of losing Paul and then the “loss” of Paul, even though we know that Paul’s share in that relationship held equal stakes of identity fusion.
To me, Paul’s delusion was thinking John would fit in his life no matter what, no matter where, always. John was as much part of him as his own identity; the idea that he could abandon John was impossible. John’s delusion was thinking they had to be the only thing in each other’s lives for their love to exist or be true.
To that end, I think John became aware to a certain extent that Paul was his center, without realizing what it meant. Post-break up, he clearly spent an obsessive amount of time analyzing their relationship. Personally, I think it took to the late seventies before he started examining his feelings differently. I think that’s exactly why we ended up with a tape “for Paul” that included Now and Then. It’s literally so tragic I want to bang my head against a wall.
Hello! I found your post on Heather absolutely phenomenal. In reading the comments I found you mentioning John’s interesting and perhaps unhealthy behavior within his relationship with Paul. Would you be willing to elaborate on that?
Hi friend, thank you so much!
Caveat: John is not more crazy than Paul. Paul just keeps his crazy locked down with all his other feelings.
Crazy things John did at or about Paul
- putting Stu in the band
This one is only insane if you see Paul and John's early relationship the way I do: equal partners with a shared dream having already made special secret promises to each other and pushing toward their goals together.
It is my theory that something went wrong emotionally with Paul and John around the time of Julia's death and John really leaned on Stu (and/or John wasn't sure what Paul was up for sex-wise yet and Stu made it abundantly clear what he was up for). Paul won John back by mid 59 or so. John kept Stu around just in case things went bad with him and Paul again or Paul couldn't give him what he needed. But he puts him in the band. Something that makes absolutely no sense to anyone, including Astrid. It's partially for a security blanket for himself, partially to keep Paul fighting for him proving to him how committed he was, how much he loved him, etc.
- telling Paul he has to quit his job
This one is more insane if you think John understands Paul's financial situation and/or the abusive power Jim held over Paul. I don't think John could ever understand either of these things fully, but I think he was aware of them to a certain extent.
Either way, telling the person who already gave up being the first one in their family to go to college and get a job that pays decent and doesn't break a body down to run away with you, who now says he has to have a steady income after this stint in Germany ended with him in jail and deported, that he has to quit his job or you'll kick him out of the band he helped you build from a high school joke to a real functioning group is crazy crazy work. Even if you have no idea his dad told him he'd kick him out if he didn't get a job, even if you have no idea his dad is a violent gambling addict, that's insane. If you know those things? I mean ... There's no words.
Edit: how could I forget the cut up clothes and the stabbed wardrobe?
- Paris
Literally who in their right mind -- having a serious girlfriend, mind you -- gets $2,000 (maybe a birthday present maybe an inheritance) and says to their buddy "what are we gonna do with this money?" And then goes with the buddy's stupid, frivolous plan -- which, by the way, puts in jeopardy years of hard work and dedication by blowing off important commitments to the point that your band literally thinks it's over -- And takes the friend on an all-expense-paid trip to the most romantic city in the world. Who fucking does that? What the actual fuck???
- hooking up with Brian
This one depends on the reason you think John went to Spain.
John could've gone because he was into Brian. He could've gone to take advantage of Brian and get his name first on the songwriting credit. He could've gone because he felt pressured into it by Brian. I think it's all three.
So obviously before the Spain trip it's McCartney/Lennon on their first album but before that they'd write "Another Lennon/McCartney Original" in Paul's notebook so maybe Paul was playing with switching it up, John saw how the producer thought Paul was clearly the most musically talented, and he decides it's time to capitalize on the fact that the manager has been trying to get into his pants since day zero. John doesn't want the thought in Paul's mind that he might be fine without John to ever solidify. If it's Lennon/McCartney on every single song, it'll be that much harder for Paul to feel independent and strong. So one angle is John takes his pants down and tells Brian to "go on then" and stick it up his ass so he can keep Paul dependent and attached. I do think that's part of it and I do think that's absolutely insane.
I also think John would've felt pressured by Brian and interested in Brian. Those angles are not insane.
- his treatment of Yesterday
So John gets to write a book (with Paul's help and with almost no credit to Paul) and then a sequel. John gets to be marketed as the literary intelligent Beatle and bring up his book ("what about my book then?") in every interview. He even goes on TV shows about his book. And Paul is photographed reading John's book, talks about how John must be the intelligent one because he's written a book when a fan asks Paul if he's the smart one, talks John up every chance he gets ("isn't that John really something?") and writes a dedication. Very loving, supportive, kind. You can see how much Paul adores John's mind and looks up to him and is very happy for John to be perceived as better than him and have his own thing where he stands out.
VS John and Brian refusing to let Yesterday be a single, and John mocking yesterday so much Paul is visibly hurt by it, to the extent that it's taken out of their setlist even though it's their most popular song.
- pressuring Paul about lsd
No explanation necessary. It's crazy to bully your best friend/partner/boyfriend so he'll do this scary drug with you no one knows much about yet
- telling the world about their secret code and telepathy
I mean that Hunter Davies quote is really something. Letting the world know, in your authorized biography as the biggest band in ever who everyone's dying to know all about, that you have a secret language. That you don't even need to talk sometimes because you know each other so well. Just so everyone can get an idea of how special your bond is. And he tells the world too that he cannot stand to be without the others. If you think about the fact that it took Paul until this year to admit they had a secret code, John being so vulnerable and exposing himself like that is crazy.
- the Greek Island
The man wants them isolated from the world by an ocean with tunnels connecting their houses. I mean. And he throws out other locations, too. He's like 'and if we don't like Greece, I've got another island we could use, or we could do Ireland, or ... 'John wants all the access he can get and he wants Paul to himSelf.
- Sub John sex tape
Not really the fact that they made that but the fact that John was chill with it laying around the office where lots of people besides Yoko probably heard it.
- saying he's Jesus
I mean straight-faced, in a business meeting, just. I am the second coming of the Son of God. I died for all of you and I'm back now to run a rock and roll communist business set up to avoid taxes. Knowing how Paul felt about John he was probably sitting there like actually contemplating that this might be real, no drug trip needed, but the thing about Paul is he's not going to say it in front of God John and everyone, you know?
And then when he gets no reaction, John goes and hooks up with his stalker for the second time in his life. (First stalker->wife was Paul but who knows if John knew that at the time. He does know Yoko's been stalking him.)
- bringing Yoko to the studio
Similar to the thing with Stu but much more blatant and much harder for Paul to fight.
- playing a sex tape
At a business meeting. Again. John, time and place. He's just trying to provoke Paul and it's just not working. Pulling out every move he's got, poor guy. Kudos to Yoko for not coming with him to that one.
Bonus Points: "did you dream about me last night? . . . . I was touching you." Right after talking about Paul's "strong left arm".
Bonus Points: deep throating a mic while making direct eye contact with Paul and alluding to more sex tapes between them two while cameras are rolling recording their every move
- scaling Paul's wall
When John's late to the studio and no one can contact him, Paul's terrified because he's just lost Brian to an overdose and he knows how John is with drugs and he knows heroin is serious even if he doesn't understand it the way we do now. And still he does Nothing. Because Paul is the opposite kind of crazy. He just sits there "on pins and needles" shaking and tearing up because he's scared he might be losing John.
VS John, when Paul doesn't come in on time during their next album and when called says he's celebrating with his wife, John sprints down the street, jumps the wall, and potentially throws a brick and/or breaks a painting. I personally don't believe the brick or the painting bit, but it could've happened, it's not too out of character for John, it's just disputed between sources. I do believe the rest of it. Thank you apple scruffs!
VS John, when George quits the band: well we'll just get Clapton in. (Don't at me I don't think he meant it but it's still very very different)
- Allen Klein's Trap
Getting George and Ringo to agree to go with a known conman is crazy, but I don't think that was directed at Paul. Just magic Alex typical John craziness.
No the Paul-crazy thing is John inviting Paul to come play with them during the legal proceedings even though that was a major betrayal of their friendship because that way Paul would be trapped, unable to break off legally from the rest of them and Klein. John wants Paul chained to him whether he likes it or not. And I think that's crazy.
- taking a swing at Linda
This one is contested. The source is an apple scruff who says she saw it through a window at Apple. She says Paul stepped in front of Linda and John stopped himself. I doubt John actually tried to hit pregnant Linda. I could see him getting in Linda's face and Paul being worried about his wife and baby, given John's track record, and getting between them and that being like a cold drink in John's face.
Edit: how could I forget he decided he Had To get married the day after Paul? They ended up getting married several days later but his first move was the next day, and they were in a Rush! The only reason John and Yoko didn't get married in Paris is because John couldn't wait.
Edit: how could I forget wedding funeral?
- Primal Scream
It's crazy that he has to lock himself in an impatient facility for months right after the loss of "Paul and the Beatles and the relationship with Paul". It's crazier if you see it as I do. I don't think the timing was a coincidence. Yoko said John's screaming was all about Julia, Mimi, Alf, and Paul. I think John used primal scream as a means of coping with the loss of Paul, of detoxing, of trying to rid himself of that desire to be with Paul, of that intense love for Paul that was now bringing him so much pain.
- Post Breakup Era
So many crazy things said during this time. Paul is characterized as an emotionless conservative money hungry cunt who writes muzak for "tarts and fags." Paul is also a drug comparable to heroin that John has had to force himself to quit, as well as of course a God John used to worship the way some people worship Jesus. Paul could choose to come be a working class hero if he wanted to join John's higher cause but he won't because he's a whipped Mama's boy evil person who shouldn't be able to live with himself because he sucks at writing songs. Paul is also John's best friend, why are people being so weird about that?
Predicting when Paul will leave Linda multiple times to the press.
What's libel about calling Paul camp?
Posing with that pig even though he was scared to death of it
"I wish I was back with Paul!" Insane behavior. You don't shout that at your wife during a party, especially when you've worked so hard convincing the world your wife and your magical connection to her freed you from the mundanity of working with such a loser.
"when I look at Jack Lemon, I'm in love again. I feel him coming all over me." An insane thing to say the minute your ex walks into a room full of your friends and with his wife.
- the "smoking cure"
John was gung ho about going to New Orleans and working with Paul again until he did this hypnotist "smoking cure" and came back from it smoking cigarettes, talking about throwing up after someone would "do it to [him]" and how it was just like primal scream. He decided not to go, got back with Yoko, and isolated himself. I think this is the second time John got scared of his love for Paul and decided to try and cure himself of that.
- isolation weirdness
It is insane to turn your best friend, who lives in another country and shows up at your door, away. I have been the mom of a new baby with no help. I know John was not too tired to talk to Paul. If my best friend lived across the ocean and showed up randomly I wouldn't care what was going on, we'd be hanging out! Unfortunately, John can't be normal about Paul. That's some kind of like 'it hurts too bad to be around him' craziness going on.
During this time, John also has tarot readings about Paul's marriage, he's filling diaries with thoughts about Paul, telling people about their psychic bond and how if he hears Paul's music it means Paul is close by. He also is too scared (that Sean will love Paul the way John fears Julian loves Paul?) to let Paul hold Sean. He installs a whole new home stereo system to better experience Paul's new single. Continuing to oscillate between singing Paul's praises and tearing him down in the same interviews all the way until he died
hello!!! I'm in love with your blog 😍
I was wondering if you already posted something about this before and I somewhat could not found so please feel free to ignore me.
but what do you think about the dynamics between cynthia and paul? it always seemed to me that they had a mutual respect for each other and their role on John's life.
but at the same time it intrigues me that Paul (well known for his rolls with yoko and stu) never seemed jealous of her, even when cynthia got pregant and had to marry john. and also I remember reading something about paul trying to reconcile her and john, it made me wonder if it would also be in Paul's best interest as it would means yoko would be out of the scene.....
Hi!! ❤️ We don’t really know whether Paul ever felt jealous of Cynthia — it's possible, especially very early on, but I don’t think he saw her as a threat to his relationship with John. Just like John didn’t really see Jane as a threat most of the time (at least not until she and Paul got engaged). Cynthia didn’t shift the balance of John and Paul’s dynamic. Throughout the early-to-mid 60s, even while John was married to Cyn and Paul was dating Jane, their primary emotional attachment still was to each other. They lived, worked, traveled, wrote, argued, dreamed, and processed life together — in a way that surpassed both of their other romantic relationships. Also, I think Paul approved of John marrying Cyn, especially because she was pregnant — and he seemed to genuinely like her and described her as a “nice girl.” But both John and Paul were very patronizing about women in general at that time, and (again, most of the time) neither appeared very threatened by the other having girlfriends (John liked Maggie, Dot and Francie, for example) — as long as those relationships didn’t interfere with theirs. Just take a look at what Paul said about Maggie, “To me she was just a lady. Actually, I think of them pretty much all like that. They’re very nice and I'm not trying to be sexist... but that’s what we were doing.” That sums it up: as long as a relationship didn’t interrupt the John-Paul bond, it was fine. Stuart and Yoko were another story. They disrupted the central attachment in a way Cynthia never did.
I’ve never read anything suggesting Paul tried to reconcile John and Cyn (though I do think he would have preferred John staying with her rather than Yoko). But I have always gotten the sense that Cynthia was jealous of how close John and Paul were. John stayed at Paul’s house for long stretches in 1967; I don’t think Cyn was thrilled about that. Jane, in the other hand, openly admitted she was "jealous of all the spiritual experiences Paul shared with John," around that same time. That says a lot. I don't doubt that Cyn and Jane discussed this at one point. And by the way, I think Cynthia had much more mixed feelings about Paul than she let on. You can notice this if read some of the comments she makes about him in her book — calling him "the town bull," and talking about how Paul viewed Jane: “Paul was obviously as proud as a peacock with his new lady. For Paul, Jane Asher was a great prize. The fact that she was an established actress of stage and screen, very intelligent and beautiful, gave an enormous boost to Paul’s ambitious ego. It was as though he was saying to us all, ‘Anything you can do, I can do better.’” You don't talk like this about someone you're very fond of. I also think she tried to downplay Paul’s closeness to John — maybe partly out of insecurity or resentment. In 1985, she told Ray Coleman that “Paul wasn't that close to John. John was closer to Ringo. Ringo didn't cause him mental hassles like everyone else did.” Then in her 2005 book, she contradicted that and said "John was closest of all to Paul." But still went out of her way to explain that they didn’t socialize much outside work, which we know is not actually true. It feels like a subtle attempt to reduce the significance of John and Paul's attachment, which I think she resented to some degree, just like Jane did.
choosing to believe that ‘the love of my life’ pin was a gift from john idgaf
I mean, it looks like it came in a package with the sword swallower pin
When did their relationship start?
I was asked some time ago what I thought the timeline of John and Paul’s relationship was, and I said it was very complicated to pin down. There’s so much we don’t know, and their bond was always intense, even during and after 1968. Recently, though, I’ve been rethinking the beginning of it all, and I’ve started to wonder if their “relationship” may have begun much earlier than I first believed — maybe even in their teens in the late 1950s. This is because of something I was told (second-hand, but I really trust this person, for many reasons). Apparently, Mimi and Jim were having quite a bit of correspondence in the late 50s, worrying over how John and Paul were behaving — “like schoolboys in love.” Paul wasn’t paying attention in class, they were inseparable, and there was a concern that something “taboo” was happening. They tried to keep them apart, which only made them rebel. If this is true, then if we line that up with other bits we know from the period, it really fits.
For example, Colin Hanton recalled that Jim set a rule: John couldn’t be alone with Paul in the McCartney house unless Jim was home. Mimi often wouldn’t even let Paul inside her house. Bob Spitz — who has admitted that he was told secrets about the Beatles he chose not to include in his book — uses strikingly suggestive language about John and Paul in the late 50s/early 60s:
“School proved a nagging obstacle for John and Paul, the occasional stolen afternoons unsatisfying, hardly time enough to get something going before Jim arrived home from work. Weekends were reserved primarily for the band. It wasn't so much that they needed time to write as much as it was each other's company. Something special was growing between them, says Colin Hanton, something that went past friendship as we knew it.”
They sneaked into Paul’s house when Jim was away, and Mike McCartney remembered that they’d bribe him “a couple of bob to go to the pictures, so he wouldn’t interfere” with their songwriting sessions. Mike wasn’t really "annoying little kid" at the time — only two years younger than Paul — so why the need to send him away completely? Why couldn’t he just hang around outside the house? Why couldn't John and Paul just go to a room and lock the door? It suggests they wanted total privacy. Like John's sister Julia said:
“Paul and John would come to my father’s place, go upstairs and lock themselves in for hours and hours, listening to records and thumping about up there.”
Bob Wooler compared them in this period to Leopold and Loeb — two young men who thought themselves superior beings, but also famously gay lovers. The comparison is very telling.
There are other clues too. John and Paul regularly went to the movies together, just the two of them. Years later, while explaining his bond with Yoko, John told Paul it was like “holding hands in the back row of the pictures.” That’s a very specific memory, and it is more than plausible that this is something he and Paul actually did in those years — and perhaps John even used it intentionally to sting Paul.
If some kind of intimacy had already begun in this period, Paul’s jealousy of Stuart Sutcliffe makes even more sense. Paul admitted to a “deadly rivalry” with Stu over John’s attention. Dot Rhone said Paul “hated” Stu for being so close to John, and that Stu flaunted it on purpose. Stuart’s sister Pauline even suspected Paul’s hatred was fueled by the possibility that John and Stu were sexual, something she herself believed was true. Their Paris trip would also carry even more meaning if it was something they experienced while they had "something" going on already. It would explain why they both cherished it for life. The same trip that John could be referring to in (Just Like) Starting Over:
Why don't we take off alone? Take a trip somewhere far, far away We'll be together on our own again Like we used to in the early days
You also see hints in songs. In Here Today, Paul says: “What about the time we met? Well, I suppose that we were playing hard to get.” That always sounded intriguing, like the "playing hard to get" went on for a while before things became defined. During the Let It Be sessions, John cryptically said to Paul: “Like when we were in Mendips, like I said, ‘Do you like me?’ or whatever it is. I’ve always—uh, played that one.” Many have speculated on this odd exchange. It sounds like one of their coded conversations, (they had to at that moment, Yoko and others were there) possibly referencing a private moment at Mimi’s house when John directly asked Paul if he “liked him” that way.
This fits with Paul’s lyrics in However Absurd:
Something special between us. When we made love the game was over.
Maybe this “game” of playing hard to get ended when intimacy began.
Paul’s poem Rocking On also might tie in. It uses 1950s imagery, recalling shared youth and a line that says, “Reminisce about our childhood, what we did in deepest wildwood.” If this is about John (as most of the poem suggest), it could be an actual reference to them seeking out privacy in a secret place — because they couldn’t have it freely at home. Call Me Back Again (1975) tells of someone Paul used to call all the time as a boy, because their number “brought him joy.” Supposedly it’s about a former girlfriend, but which girlfriend from the 50s fits that description? What girlfriend from his youth could Paul be pleading to call him in the 70's? None come to mind. But if it was John, it makes sense why Paul cherished his calls so deeply. Even Fuh You (2018) could be a clue.The video shows a Liverpool boy named Jamie (Paul’s first name is James) in a relationship considered taboo at the time (he is white and the girl is black). Nearly every visual ties back to John, including the black-and-white color scheme and the local references (including the newsagent where Paul first spoke to John). The song Get Enough, could also be referencing their young romance, with lyrics about them walking by the docks, him seeing a person's face “now and then,” and remembering it "forever". It also talks about him and this person being full of hope anxd their "future burning bright". The imagery is loaded with Liverpool echoes: “the tugs rolling by together,” “the lights on the shore.” It’s the Mersey, the waterfront where Paul and John grew up side by side, watching ships and dreaming big.
All in all, maybe I’m reading too much into these details. But if what I heard is true, it aligns perfectly with so many clues. And could also tie in with what John once said:
“It was a LONG relationship. It started many, many years before the American public, or the English public for that matter, knew us. Paul and I were together since he was 15, I was 16.”
If they were together for that long, no wonder why their breakup was so intense and traumatizing. Paul always being reluctant about getting married and breaking down the night before his wedding, and John rushing to marry Yoko afterwards. "We spurred each other into marriage," as Paul once said.
Food for thought.
John and Paul's movie "dates"
Paul has mentioned several times that he and John used to go to the cinema together a lot in the late 50's and early 60's:
"John in particularly hated musicals. He liked ‘West Side Story’ (1961). We liked it a lot because that was like innovative, it grabbed us and it’s really good. But, things like, John and I one afternoon went to see ‘South Pacific’ (1958) and we actually walked out ‘cause he just couldn’t stand it. I mean I would have sat and just watched it ‘cause I had paid my money and I would watch anything. But he’d go, “Oh, bloody hell.” (2017)
Then, years later in 1969, Paul recalled something interesting that John said while describing his relationship with Yoko:
"John said one thing to me which made me understand what [he and Yoko] were up to just as two people, not as anything else. Just as two people. He just said, ‘I tell you, it’s like holding hands on the back row of the pictures."
That’s an unusually specific image — and one that may be tied directly to what Paul and John used to do together when they went to the cinema. If “holding hands in the back row” was part of their own private ritual, hearing John use that same phrase to describe what he had with Yoko must have cut especially deep for Paul. And maybe that was the point. John would know how personal that image was, and saying it to Paul might have been his way of making sure he felt the sting 😢. And remember that them holding hands is something they likely did. There are already many rumours of them doing this, of them being seen holding hands at the backstage of The Music of Lennon & McCartney TV special, of them walking Martha together while holding hands (I've heard this from two different sources already), and there is even studio chatter from the Rubber Soul sessions where Paul says to John "stop holding my hand."
Thinking McLennon thoughts, because ofc I am 👇
Now & Then:
“And, if *I make it through*
It's all because of you”
We Two:
“We're standing side-by-side
*We two came through*”
N & T:
“And, *if you go away*
I know you'll never stay”
We Two:
“I'll be there 'til the end
*I'd never need to go*”
can you post some 1967 mclennon pics?? thank you!
BEST YEAR EVER
look at this sexy motherfucker
paul staring at john’s thumb….
chatting (paul wears john’s poncho)
paul composing john sleeping
composing together
happy and in love
stunning
sexy af
perfection
john observing paul
drunk together
in the car
at the park with martha
more paul with john’s poncho
fashion killa
bless 1967, best mclennon year ever.
“An assignment in Jamaica had brought out the best in him. His interest in methodist acting had led him to a cloakroom at the Church of Latter Day Sadists. He had been commissioned to write a piece of shit. The pay was good, and it contributed to his children’s hospitalization. He was known for his chins and an unerring nose for newsboys. A cable had arrived for him that very morning stating the obvious: ‘Come too quickly. Stop. Try again. Stop. Am waiting in Paris. Stop me if you’ve heard it. Stop. Stuff yourself with artichokes and live. Stop. Don’t stop. Stop.’ He knew it was from Amie L'Nitrate. Her style was a little obstruse. He put on his oilcloth and caught the crabs. The Boulevard Saint-Germainegreer shone in all its springbok glory as he stepped lightly on some French loafers toward the waiting arms of Comrade Amie. “Tootie Frootie,“ he gasped, inhaling the fragrance of her hairs in his nostrils. She greeted him warmly with a cold. “You haven’t changed une bit, you oulde bastarde!” She frenched him round the neck. A flood of memories drowned him in a pool of sweat. ‘You taste bon, mon cher!’ she exclamationed. ‘I can’t wait to get my fingures in your croutons!’ said he. ‘OH you naughty man, you’ll never change,’ she laughed, eyeing his pants. ‘For you, my dear,’ he said, ‘I’d change my address.’ He gripped her by the pound and headed for the wrong bank. ‘There’s too much about underwear and sweat for my liking,’ he thought to himself. ‘Love is never having to pull yourself together,’ she said quite suddenly. “Love is never having to pull yourself off,“ he replied in a lighter vein. “NEVER CROSS A HORSE WITH A LOOSE WOMAN” They reached the Georges Cinque and checked each other out. ‘First of all, I will refresh your memory,’ she yodelled, chasing him round the roomservice. ‘Und then … God Only Knows by the Beachboys!’ He forgot his ligns and undressed. ‘C'mere yer little frog,’ he said, hoping for a renewal of his license 'Let me tongue yer Pommes Frites.’ They made vile love in front of an open fireman. 'A man in my position,’ he whispered from between her legs, 'can’t afford the publicity.’ He resumed the audition, stopping only occasionally for hair. She, meanwhile, was fantasizing on Robert Redford and Bella the Abzug. The lotus position was beginning to strangle him. She was losing control, and he was losing his life. His tongue, however, was kosher. 'Long time, no ceiling,’ said Amie, holding him to the window. They were out to lunch. For dinner they settled on a quiet small Italian followed by a vanload of Gendarmes. 'This town inspires me,’ he said, forcing himself on a tourist. 'No wonder they never stop talking.’ She nodded, her mouth full of life. 'Don’t take me for granite, Perry,’ said Amie stonily. 'Never my love,’ he sang. There was an underlying bastard to their relationship which was to hold them in good stead in later bouts. Neither of them held each other down; in fact, they took it in turns. 'One good turn deserves an encore’ pretty well summed up their relations. They spent three happy months together and parted in a seething rage. To this day, his memories of her are clear and fresh. Like a force-fed baby, he’ll never forget, and neither, I hope, will she. The Eternal Flame of Love burned the bottom out of their relationship ahoy! The captain stepped down from his bunk into…”
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John Lennon’s little story, not finished. Published in “Skywriting By Word Of Mouth”
In September of 1966, John took a break from filming “How I Won the War” to meet Paul in Paris. As Paul described it, “It was an echo of the trip John and I made to Paris for his twenty-first birthday.”
Amie L’Nitrate - Amie is french for “friend,” as well as it’s a pun on “alkyl nitrites,” commonly known as “poppers”
The mock-French dialogue is also very reminiscent of John and Paul’s mock-Portuguese in “Sun King”
“God Only Knows” by the Beach Boys - released in May 1966 and Paul’s favorite song to this day
“Gripped her by the pound and headed for the wrong bank” “Let me tongue your pommes-frites…” “Made vile love in front of an open fireplace” - self-explanatory
“They spent three happy months together and parted in a seething rage” - John and Paul did part in a “seething rage” three years later, in 1969
(via john-paul)
Does anyone have any idea if John and Paul ever managed to ‘get away’ from the entourage so to speak, during this trip? Brian, Neil and Maggie were there and they all arrived around the same time I believe.