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[shinoposting-deactivated2025111]

Relationships where one party has been put on a pedestal are not healthy. Relationships where A only likes B because B is what A wishes they could be are not healthy. I don't just not ship it, I am staunchly opposed to the canon version of NaruHina because it wants you to forget the only reason it exists is because Hinata never really healed.

It's not unrealistic for Hinata to become obsessed with Naruto. Even him being her whole motivation is not in itself "bad writing". That shit happens. Abused and hopeless kids do that. The problem is that she never realizes that was not healthy or ok. The problem is that this is portrayed as sweet and romantic even while her obsession escalates to stalking. That isn't cute, that's concerning.

They don't have to not end up together. It would be fucking fantastic if she reached her goals and fell out of love after realizing how childish and unhealthy her "crush" was, and then she could fall in love with him all over again for real this time. To fall in love with the real Naruto and not the white knight version of him that lived in her head for fifteen years. But we didn't get that.

Fuck Naruto: The Last. Fuck making Hinata the princess in the tower. Fuck this stupid incorrect scarf analogy. Fuck the bubbles. Fuck bombarding someone with every single positive memory they've ever had of a person at once just to shoehorn them into love with someone.

If you have to use magic to get two people together because you can't think of even one singular way for them to naturally fall in love, DON'T.

[zotmoun]

Thanks for us know that you didn't read the manga to realize Naruto already showed Hinata his true self , that he makes mistakes , get embarrassed and has low self esteem of being seen as a failure but hey it's not like that was chopped up in chapter 98 for everyone to read but thanks for ignoring that . Really shows people can hate in something without checking the sources

[naruto-shipping-confessions]

[zotmoun]

This made no fucking sense

[hinata-loves-deactivated2022072]

Oh really? Because a mother who scares her daughter and makes her cry is not a bad mother right?

Oh obviously

Hinata is not a bad mother

Friendly reminder

[zotmoun]

These have got to be worst edits I've yet seen. I mean you didn't do the Gaiden timeline right.

[zotmoun]

Boruto chp 39

I think people need to learn how to separate their personal perspective from the character's perspective. Sarada said those things from her point of view , Sasuke wasn't around much and she never got to see him as much as Boruto saw Naruto. Even though Boruto and Naruto relationship also wasn't great back then Sarada thought Boruto was lucky enough to just see him. The fans who read this already knows that Sasuke is a good person who loves and cares for his family yet this was Sarada's perspective because she didn't get to be familiar with Sasuke.

[frei-hime]

Sasuke: Maybe next time *pokes Sakura's forehead and smiles* Thank you.

Antis: That is so OOC

Sasuke: *compares Sakura to the spring sunshine and describes her as the light to his darkness* My home is with Sakura. *Returns home because of Sakura*

Antis: OOC! OOC!!! OUT OF CHARACTER!!!!

Sasuke: A threat greater than Kaguya exists *spends his life protecting his family, the village and world from outside and doesn't get to see his daughter grow up*

Antis: Sasuke doesn't love his family, that's why he doesn't go home. Everyone else is happy except for Sasuke and Sakura.

Sasuke: My wife is not a weak woman.

Antis: OOC! Sasuke is lying, he just doesn't care about Sakura, that's why he's taking his time.

Sasuke: *aggressively fucks shin up when he sees his wife is hurt then rushes to her aid and amaterasus the blades even though it was not necessary*

Antis: Sasuke was [and I swear this is what they said on fb xD] trying to kill Sakura with the amaterasu. He wasn't even gentle with her.

Sasuke: Our feelings are connected and you[Sarada] are living proof of the love between us.

Antis: They are lying. They are pretending for Sarada's sake. Sasuke is being so OOC!

Sasuke: *hugs Sarada and pokes her forehead but teases Sakura by not poking her forehead and smirks*

Antis: HAH! He doesn't give a shit about her! He's happy that he gets to leave the village again! At least Naruto smiles around his wife and shows her affection[in the fillers], unlike Sasuke.

...so Sasuke showing Sakura affection is out of character.

And Naruto showing Hinata affection is right.

And we must compare Naruto's relationship to Hinata with Sasuke's relationship to Sakura.

And Sasuke as a husband, must act like Naruto in order to prove that he loves Sakura.

But when Sasuke doesn't show Sakura affection, it means he doesn't love her and when he does it's OOC.

These people...I swear😂

[zotmoun]

Antis are such denial, it's embarrass enough when they're parading Sasuke's picture as their profile pic while being ignorant to every single detail about him.

[bakuwukatsuwu]

like this if you agree with everything listed:

you love NaruHina 💛💜

you love Boruto and Himawari 💛💜

you think the Sunflower Family is perfect 🌻

you think Hinata is the strongest and prettiest and most important kunoichi ✨

you think Hinata is the true heroine 💜

you love Naruto: The Last and canon ending 🌙

you hate Sakura ❌

you think Sakura is weak and useless ❌

you hate NaruSaku ❌

you hate NS fans ❌

you think Naruto loved Hinata first, never Sakura ❗️

[zotmoun]

A lot of your points are conflicting

First you say that Hinata is the strongest and most important Konoichi disregarding Tsunade and the Mizukage who are kages complimented whose strength are backed by official documents.

Then you claim you love Naruto the last then went on to say Sakura is weak and useless when Sakura literally tanked Genjutsu and obliterated the gatekeeper who made it. I'm also sure she umm saved Naruto from you know not dying when he lost all his Chakra?

I'm sure Sakura hates Narusaku and it's fans when she always shown she favored Sasuke or actually never recognized Naruto as nothing more than a friend while hoping and making it clear he gets a clue that Hinata has truly loved him.

So I'm sure Sakura's character is more than happy that Naruto would have eyes for Hinata sooner than THE LAST but hey that's the plot line of the story though.

[madara-fate]

If you think "addiction is a choice" (which I think is so fucking insensitive of you to say) I will still give you another example. say he suffers from bipolar disorder and it causes them to act violently with his partners. She forces herself to stay and try to cure him even of it affects her health because she cant help it and there's a clear power difference. Its what abuse victims do. It doesn't excuse any of sasuke's abusive tendencies and sakura doesn't deserve any of this sexist shit

What are you talking about? Who said that “addiction is a choice”? Who said that? Read the post! Read it for fuck sake. I said that drinking is a choice, not addiction. How can you even have the gall to put that in quotation marks when you won’t find that anywhere in my post?

You also keep on comparing their Part 2 relationship with that of people who are already in established relationships, despite the fact that Sasuke and Sakura were on opposite sides of a war where physical altercations were inevitable, as I already made explicitly clear in my previous answer to you. Why are you comparing enemies on a battlefield with domestic relationships? You really can’t see how silly that is? I like how you just chose to completely ignore what I said about Naruto being willing to pulverise Sasuke to a bloody pulp, I like how you just completely ignored how I said that Sakura sought Sasuke out with the intention if killing him, I like how you just completely ignored how I said that if Sasuke had his way, he would have kept his distance from both of them, but they kept forcing the issue. I like how you just chose to completely ignore the majority of what I said just so that you could not only accuse me of saying something that I didn’t say, but also so that you can conveniently spare yourself the trouble of having to address the points which explicitly highlight just how ridiculous your claims actually are. I could very well ask you to address each one of them but I know you won’t; You Anons never do.

If you’re gonna call Sasuke “abusive” towards Sakura, then you also have to levy that same accusation to literally everyone who ever physically attacked anyone who was on the opposing side. So you do that, and then see how stupid you sound when you claim that Kimimaro was being abusive towards Lee, or that Sakura was being abusive towards Sasori.

And then you go on to spout more nonsense about sexism? What “sexist shit” are you referring to? You don’t even know what sexism means if you think it is in any way applicable to Sasuke and Sakura’s relationship. All you’ve proven here is that your reading comprehension is sub par, that you conveniently pick and choose what to ignore when you find points that you can’t say shit to, and that you haven’t got the faintest idea what sexism actually means.

Here are a few ideas:

Actually read my post and attribute the words to their appropriate meanings

Understand the fact that claiming “abuse” with regards to two people on opposing sides of a war is fucking stupid

And lookup the definition of sexism because that misuse is just atrocious

Sasuke literally mistreated everyone during Part 2; Male, female, Summonings, everyone. But because he mistreated Sakura too, it’s sexism. This fandom… The next time you send me something like this, which shows that you just completely ignored what I said, I’m just gonna ignore it; No more time wasted.

[oukajinrai-deactivated20200520]

Abusive behaviour is when the abuser does it again and again. But then apologises every time. Resulting in the victim forgiving them every time and this goes on and on and the abuser never really changes. You want an example? Joker and Harley Quinn.

Sasuke was under the curse at one point of time. Mistreated everyone who tried to oppose him (Still Sakura was literally the last person he tried to attack. Every single time it was her who started it. But of course, who cares?) Then he realised his mistake and has tried his best to atone, to compensate for everything he did wrong. He in fact did change and never went back to being the same ruthless person he was when he was under the curse. A mistake repeated is a choice. But Sasuke has never repeated his actions. You want another example like this? Jellal from Fairy Tail. Was under influence once, made terrible mistakes, realised it and has been trying to compensate for his wrongdoings for ever.

And on top of that, like Audric pointed out, Sasuke and Sakura’s ‘relationship’ started only after he reformed.

[zotmoun]

Antis' clownness are reaching levels of insanity. It seems instead of accepting that the manga is story driven and the character will eventually change. They have stuck with the idea of holding on to tensions that happened in a previous arc and try to drag that situation in the story ahead.

Yes, Sasuke almost killed Sakura, heck Sasuke wanted to destroy the leaf village. Yet in the story to come he choose not to commit any of these acts. He gave his own reasons and still antis cannot reflect in why that makes their headline stupid because it doesn't reference any of Sasuke's traits. He abandoned those and picked up a revolutionary type scheme. After his redemption he became a peaceful and protective type.

Sasuke change and his views of Sakura changes in a more positive . It's been over 4 years since the author had shown that Sasuke mostly praise and show a deep bond of love and understanding between him and Sakura . It sad when antis are using women rights on a character that abandoned hatred years ago and spent more than a decade protecting and loving the people important to him.

[akeemi-art-deactivated20201203]

If you don't mind me asking why do you ship deku x tysuu? (I'm lowkey starting to ship them because of ur cute art)

Oh, I haven’t been asked something like this is a while so I’ll go on a big explanation lol.  

Also I guess I’ll just make a midotsuyu analysis post someday where I explain  someone would ship them with moments, “evidence” and such lol it’s gonna be fun when  I get to do that.

So ehem…. here is a speech on why I ship midotsuyu….

Keep reading

[zotmoun]

Wait there's still hope for Izuocha?? I already called midotsuyu as endgame.

[zotmoun]

Anti-Sasusaku post literally complaining about the last Naruto Shippuden FILLER episode.

Like the one where Sasuke sends Sakura a "congratulations" note that could mean for Naruto and Hinata . Really they wanna complain about that and say they it's OOC and not canon. Fine here's the canon- Sasuke didn't give a damn about Naruto's marriage and personally went back to Konoha to meet Sakura face to face. Atleast SP tried to make Sasuke and Naruto post hiden bonds have good relations but it can't go well since he sent a message to Sakura declaring it.

[ualright-deactivated20181127]

VENTING RANT

I’ve been thinking a lot about patterns that I’ve seen in series like Bleach and Naruto, and how it feels a lot like they’re showing up in BNHA, no matter how much I don’t want to accept it. These are a specific type of shounen that, while carrying several major differences, do have some things about them that are formulaic (at least in terms of how certain characters are used).

My kneejerk response is to want to deny it all- to say that Uraraka isn’t being forced into the same kindof box as characters like Hinata and Orihime who, while being given some truly interesting potential, were both HEAVILY made to revolve around their love interests (the main characters). You can say Ura’s more of a Sakura- but she hasn’t gotten that much focus. Sakura was given the star treatment in comparison to what Uraraka has gotten at this point in both series runs.

Yes, Ura had a good start (which is why I love her straightforward, friendly and goofy self so much) and yes her crush is painted as something that is a negative thing which is distracting her (which is why I still have some hope, as I haven’t seen that done yet!)

…but it’s also not taken very seriously, more often than not just being painted as a cute gag that is fun for the straight teenage boys that this series is directed at (if you disagree check the stats of who shounen jump is marketed towards. Fanart is not a good indicator of everyone who buys shounen jump in Japan). Of course they love the idea of a girl pining for them while being cool and oblivious, only thinking about getting stronger.

Think back to that scene where she decided to push down her feelings and look at the scenes immediately taking place around it. The placement makes it clear that it served a simultaneous purpose to build up the idea that Deku inspires his classmates (just as Kaminari’s moment right around then was focused on how Bakugou also inspires classmates). That wasn’t really THAT MUCH about her. (Especially when we get nothing more about her struggle to deal with those feelings for a long time, aside from her punching herself in the face.)

I love Uraraka so much but don’t think she was placed in this series to have anywhere near the level of importance as the other “main characters”.

We all want more for Uraraka and a better written romance than “girl pines for guy until he notices her at the end of the series and we just have to accept that they’re in love”, but our complaints are merely us yelling in an echo chamber.

Is anyone in Japan aside from a handful of fanartists upset about her lack of big, emotionally weighted (non romantic) focus in comparison even to “side” characters like Kirishima while she’s being touted as a “Main Character”?

It doesn’t feel that way.

From what I’ve seen, like a lot of people here, they just go on to say “That’s just how this genre is, get over it. Teenagers get crushes, so even though everyone else gets to focus on their big struggles, it’s okay that she’s focused on this. Be glad she gets more focus than other girls!”

There’s so much that’s good about BNHA that it’s easy to just shrug it all off and enjoy how great a lot of the characters are- but since Uraraka is my favorite character it’s constantly irking to me. I know Horikoshi is not done developing her character, but I don’t have any high expectations.

It’s easy to ignore until I start reading and watching other anime- and remembered that series DO exist that allow the main female cast to be involved in major plot events and they CAN have deep/developed friendships with the MC. It is not that unreasonable to want more. (And no, I’m not attacking hori or saying this series is trash. I get that this is just the kind of character Uraraka was made to be, and I get that this is a common trope in shounen- doesn’t make it any less sad.)

I dunno. I could be wrong, I hope I’m wrong. My bet is if I am wrong, we won’t see the fruition of her deeper development for a long time.

I have a feeling I’ll have left the fandom by then and will only read the series from the sidelines long before that point- because the passion that inspires me to create content or look at fanart will probably disappear with my waning hope for Uraraka getting momentum ever again.

[ualright-deactivated20181127]

Also some people say “oh well Iida is in the same boat” that dude got the stain arc, which had A LOT OF WEIGHT AND GROWTH (conflict and resolution!) followed by a stronger friendship with Deku and even got a showcase of his protectiveness over his classmates in the Bakugou rescue arc. I’d happily trade 100+ chapters of waffling about a crush (with occasional action) for that.

[zotmoun]

Uraraka is Deku's pair , she's lumped together with him like twins. Fans will assume romantic feelings for Deku even though Uraraka reacts negatively. Yet outside of this fans ship her with Bakugo . Uraraka feelings for Bakugo are unknown that Uraraka herself doesn't know what overcame her to be interested in opening up to him. Point is Uraraka accept outwards influence that changed her initial character and then again change from the character that was bound to Deku.

Iida , Bakugo and Todoroki sees Deku as a rival while Uraraka sees Deku as an aide. So yeah she will show jealously when Deku finds help outside her influence and I see alot of Ochako fans find it degrading but let's not forget this is Deku's story and his world building is for supporting characters to shine.

[onlysasukes-deactivated20190926]

“But they chased after him and didn’t give up on him till the very end !!!” what sort of mentality is that? do ppl realize how creepy that sounds ? naruto/sakura both had no right to force themselves on sasuke (someone that clearly didn’t want anything to do with them).

Just because someone was your first “bond” doesn’t mean you have the right to control them, aka naruto wanting sasuke to be in konoha despite him not wanting to be there. Hell, even after he discovers the truth about the uchiha clan massacare he didn’t bother to tell anyone and still wanted sasuke back in the shithole . Such a great friend .

It’s the same with Sakura , her “love” for Sasuke never felt selfless or whatever ppl here like to call it.It was ALWAYS about her , sasuke wants to leave to get stronger? please stay so I won’t be lonely! . Sasuke is a criminal? I will kill him! it’s for his sake ! (You can’t try to kill a person and use that excuse, that’s just your typical “I’m doing this for you” mentality which is used by many abusive ppl),etc.She was always like that and kishimoto being the shitty writer that he is , decided to reward her creepiness with actually making her have sasuke’s child.

tl;dr: Naruto and Sakura are both horrible friends/lovers (?) and Sasuke needs a restraining order against them.

[zotmoun]

It's funny how this blog states to be about Sasuke but never questioned Sasuke's ambitions. Sure he wanted to leave Konoha to get stronger for the purpose of avenging his clan. Killing Itachi and move on that was it. Yes Naruto and Sakura were flawed for not accepting Sasuke's own ideas but continuing to read the Manga Sasuke's ideas were very one dimensional. Ofcourse the matter is whether Sasuke would return to Konoha after he defeated Itachi was yes. He betrayed Orochimaru after finding no use for him. He abandoned Taka since his goals were achieved. Therefore if Obito hadn't taken Sasuke, Sasuke would have went back to Konoha. This "revolution" phase was made out of the confusion of "love" Sasuke had for Itachi and for Itachi's goal.

[zotmoun]

Not gonna lie here

But Narusaku fanart is goddamn ugly. They think that can pass as Sakura???

[zotmoun]

Watching Ichihime blogs call “Ichirukitards” to “Ichirukicucks” , makes me laugh.

[zotmoun]

AntiNarutocucks:Shikatema is the only pairing that made sense

Also AntiNarutocucks: Who the hell is Shikamaru??? What is a Temari???

[zotmoun]

I'm feeling a bit petty ,might as well cracking some jokes at the blogs I've seen throughout the years.

[failberry]

Imagine being so starved for content for your sunked pairing that you use Bleach Brave Souls’ TYBW arc Round 3 banner as shipping fuel for IchiRuki.

………oh, wait. lol.

[zotmoun]

KLab profiting off Ichiruki tears

[simply-kelp]

I would say even Hinata was underused outside of "Naruto-kun" love interest and damsel-in-distress-to-motivate-guys-around her. She just degenerated after the chunin exams. Considering how hard they went in the first parts of the exams (much more so than any other team, they were ready to kill and ready to die to win), they should've had the most frightening skills and reputations of the Rookie 9. (I.e., these are the folks who can track you down and kill you to achieve their goal.) Shame.

Yes, you’re right! Team 8 as a whole should have had a lot more screen time and development. I should have probably used a different word, cause you’re right, even though we *see* Hinata, she’s underused too. Like it would have been cool to see her get over her crush on Naruto, befriend him and find an inner motivation to continue as a shinobi. I know there’s a lot about shinobi living and fighting to protect those precious to them, which is all well and cool, but Hinata’s a character who has lived her whole life *for* other people, hidden in the shadow of her family name, never living up to Neji, and her idealized crush on Naruto. It would have been really cool to see her deciding to live for herself. And yeah, getting through part 2 of the chuunin exam so fast should have cemented them as the badasses of the rookie 9. Shino and Kiba are arguably two of the strongest in the rookie 9 (barring plot related power ups and divine influence *cough*Naruto*cough*Sasuke*) with unique and underutilized jutsu, and if Hinata had been allowed to grow and gain confidence in herself and her skills instead of following after Naruto (we’ve already seen how strong a Hyuga can be from Neji), they should have been a force to be reckoned with!!

[zotmoun]

See here there are these people called VILLAINS and they show up to have conflict with the cast of the series. Predominantly Naruto is one of the main target of their goals.

So you say it’d be cooler to have Hinata fight only for herself uh no see the VILLAINS want Naruto. So there would be no need for your imagination of Hinata’s own self-confidence as the fact of her losing someone precious to her. Ofcourse Hinata would fight for Naruto since the VILLAINS have conflict with Naruto.Reading the Manga would give you the idea of why they need to kill Naruto.

Comparing her strength to that of Kiba and Shino is in relation to VILLAINS. We saw Shino and Kiba combat against VILLAINS at their own pace but Hinata fought PEIN ( a higher ranked VILLAIN with decades of experience trained by JIRAYA). If you try to say she should fight for her own motivation then Naruto would be DEAD as anybody who fought for themselves would stay away from PEIN.

So when you’re trying to say Team 8 needs more development as in how when the VILLAINS aren’t looking in their direction?

[simply-kelp]

I specifically tagged this anti naruhina, so I’m not really sure why you’re reblogging, maybe blacklist ‘anti naruhina’ if you haven’t already… I blacklist tags when I know the content might upset me.

I wasn’t talking about a specific incident (Pein), but rather a perceived trend throughout the series. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinions and I’m really glad that you seem to have enjoyed the development between Naruto and Hinata. I personally didn’t care for it. My perception of Hinata’s crush on Naruto was very idealized. She seemed to treat him more like a concept, a goal, an idol on a pedestal than a flesh-and-blood person. Idealized crushes can be fun and harmless, but Hinata was so shy around Naruto that she could barely hold a conversation with him. It didn’t feel believable for me that they ended up together, but if you like them that’s great! Much of her characterization as I was reading and watching could be boiled down to “has a huge crush on Naruto” and Kishimoto didn’t spend as much time as I would have hoped fleshing out the other aspects of her character.

Perhaps I was being unclear about Hinata’s motivation. I think the Will of Fire and protecting those precious to oneself are really important themes in Naruto, maybe I was being too cavalier with my wording. One can have different and overlapping motivations. Rock Lee is a good example of what I’m trying to get at and I’ll take any excuse to gush about him, he has a strong sense of identity and wants to prove himself as a shinobi, but he’s also motivated by his desire to protect the people he cares for. His self-focused motivation of improving himself and becoming the strongest person he can be allows him to fulfill his other motivation of protecting the people he loves. I wasn’t saying that I wanted Hinata to be apathetic to others, or to completely ignore Naruto, but I would have appreciated it if Kishimoto had given Hinata more opportunities to grow and develop more confidence in her abilities and form a sense of identity outside of her family’s shadow and her crush on Naruto.

I understand where you’re coming from that the villains are primarily pursuing Naruto because he’s the main character, but Kishimoto created so, so many interesting and promising characters that I would have really loved to see them given more chance to shine. They are living through the events of the series, after all, even if the main action isn’t about them. Ultimately, I think it boils down to what you want to see. It sounds like you appreciated a main character driven story, while I appreciate ensemble stories. At least we have fanfiction where we can explore the characters and concepts we didn’t get enough of or would like to see more of :)

[zotmoun]

You still haven't gotten the idea of the driving plot of the series. The VILLAINS ! With each VILLAIN comes a separate goal BUT by the shippuden timeline we only got to see one alliance (THE AKATSUKI) their goal was to capture all the Tailed Beast. Guess what? Naruto is one of the Tailed Beast holders.

You keep making examples like Rock Lee or Hinata who are not the prime targets for these VILLAINS. These inclusion are partially due to.the connection they share towards Naruto. Hinata isn't gonna be for the Hyuugas nor the village nor herself but for Naruto.Cause if Naruto dies THAT'S IT .That's all Pein came for .So when you keep bringing up the Hyuugas you can't realize Nobody wants it. The backstory wouldn't matter since the VILLAINS don't make them a target or specialty. It's a wasted concept that the author knows the readers don't care about. With the timeline Kishimoto has , it's just not valuable.

Which is why there are fandoms who would care to evaluate on these topics. However some fandoms are plotting ideas that the author abandoned not realizing they wouldn't care about it anyways.If people were already drawn to the Akatsuki , Madara and Kaguya then pretty much that was it.Kishimoto didn't need to do anything else.