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"Oh, so should I care about not hurting men's feelings?" You should care about not hurting anyone's feelings. That's like pre-k shit. You're an adult, you should know that
(Source: Sen the donkey)
every callout post about a transfem reads like "she sexually harassed and practically assaulted someone while in a position of absolute power over them, abusing her authority while they were trapped and helpless against her machinations" and then you look into it and it's like "she hit on the barista at the coffee shop i go to and it was awkward and a little uncomfortable" and like... yeah, maybe she shouldn't have done that, but you are blowing this wildly out of proportion, and i don't think she should lose her community and support network and housing and income over that. and then if you voice that opinion people send you asks like "why do you think trans women should be allowed to get away with rape?"
“you cannot ship these two fictional characters because—” actually I can because they are not real people. they are just toys I play with. you cannot apply real-world morality to fiction or how strangers play with their imaginary toys in their imaginary sandboxes.
you can, however, curate your own internet experience by minding your own business, muting/blocking/scrolling past what upsets you but does not hurt anyone in real life in any way, shape or form.
i do think the negative interpretations of "im probably nonbinary but i have a job right now" are kind of reaching. it's obviously a waste of time to theorize the op's intended meaning, so instead i think it's better to recognize how the phrase can be a useful framing device to criticize how much of a fucking hassle it is to get gendered correctly. "but i have a job" e.g. will face discrimination that could threaten livelihood; e.g. don't have the mental bandwidth to explain gender to others; e.g. don't have the time and energy for the soul-searching necessary to confirm. all three of these are labor issues. yes you could interpret it as "but being nonbinary isn't important enough to worry about", despite that being a blatantly bad-faith read. it's more useful to interpret it as "but being publicly nonbinary requires a lot of social effort that, in many cultural contexts, will create more problems that you can't afford to deal with". like cmon it's a really good jumping off point for productive conversations about queer labor rights
my pronous are it/its but my job security is nowhere near the level it needs to be to try to explain that to my fucking coworkers so its she/her in meatspace
"As a trans man, it's your responsibility to protect women!!" Hi, you're a benevolent misogynist. That's like. That's the most obvious benevolent misogyny I've ever seen. Hope this helps!!
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Advice! Before you post, if you take a look at your post and could mistake it for something a TERF would say, delete it!
“But this specific group of trans people is privileged over me!” How do you know? Transness makes gender based privilege Complicated. Transitioning makes it more Complicated. No, your cool way of simplifying it doesn’t actually make your opinion work.
“But I’m not calling this group of trans people a real slur! Just a made up one!” Intent matters more than anything else. If you say shit like theyfab or straggot while targeting other queer people? That’s slurs. Especially if you aren’t part of those groups.
“I was harassed by this group of people!” That’s awful and I hope you reported them for harassment. That doesn’t mean you can spread hate for an entire minority.
Don’t paint entire sections of our community with the same hateful brush. It helps no one but those who want to destroy all of us. Don’t treat an entire minority as though they represent only the worst parts of it. There are terrible nonbinary people, trans women, trans men, and more. And not one of them represents the entire trans community. So stop acting like they represent their own part of it.
as a white person, i really think that discussions like these are important. i want to know what i can do to stop racism, so thank you so much op and everyone who reads this for taking the responsibility of analysing my own actions away from me! im really not in control of my own actions, especially if theyre racist, so i need nonwhite people to watch out for me instead. i feel so bad about being white that i don't even know what i can do, so im just gonna keep adding nothing to the conversation by complaining about how all of us white people are just awful. this conversation is about me!
as a white person i could never imagine any of these things happening to me ... this is so scary and weird i cant believe it, isnt it just absurd that someone could hurt you or deny you healthcare or deny you food or insult you or attack you or make assumptions based on your skin color. oh my god thats awful i cant believe this is real! i feel so bad because i used to do stuff like this... i could never deal with that ever, i cant even imagine it. thats so terrible and im white by the way. im white. as a white person i think i should weigh in because i definitely have something new to say that is super important, it's about how bad i feel being white. im white and i think this is bad too! ugh white ppl can WE not do this. hey white people LET'S all shut up! this is not a good look for US! everyone look how good im doing at curing racism! look at how much im helping! hey this conversation is about me right, i need to speak when its not about me
i feel like a lot of fandoms pride themselves on being gayer than the source material but have they considered being less racist and less misogynistic than the source material as well . could be revolutionary
I think that misogynistic human misconceptions of all mothers selflessly loving their offspring and always knowing the perfect thing to do for them bleeds into a lot of animal rights bullshit. You see this a lot in opposition to pet spay aborts (‘my pregnant cat got depressed after they killed her unborn babies’) and criticisms of separating calves and piglets from their mothers’ in certain animal agriculture scenarios. Most animals are like “fuck they kids” if rearing their offspring is the least bit convenient for them, the situation is not ideal or the wild blows the wrong way. They’re hardwired to survive as individuals and the effort of rearing offspring to maturity is secondary to that goal.
ARAs will be like “mother cows cry out in grief when separated from their babies” and cows will be like ‘vibes are off. this one smells wrong. think I’m just going to keep attacking it every time it tries to nurse from me’.
A cat at the rescue I'm at is, in fact, a terrible mother. She lost one kitten and we gave another one to another cat. Like ma'am, take care of your children.
Even if you want to give human emotions to animals you have to acknowledge that there are humans that are terrible parents so why wouldn't animals have that option?
i love to see people who are like "you can talk about csa but not around minors that's gross!" like idk how to tell you this but. who do you think is getting csa'd. i'll give you a hint: the first letter in csa does not stand for "adult"
One of my college professors, in a queer lit class actually, spent an entire class on the following argument:
“Push by Sapphire is children's literature. Prove me wrong.”
(Context if you're not familiar with the book and why this was an extremely provocative thing to say)
OP's point was exactly the bulk of my professor's argument. And imho my professor was right. Millions of children have to live through this shit every year. And I just remember my professor posing undergrads (some of them very indignant or offended about this line of argument) the question:
"So they have to live through it, but they're not allowed to read about it?"
Or, as the professor clarified, "So they have to live through it, but don't get to have access to the words and information they need to understand and process what's happening to them? They information they need to know that this is wrong, and telling the right person can (hopefully) save them from more of it?"
A lot of people tried to argue, "Well, okay then, kids who have had to live through that can read those books, but only those kids, it's not appropriate for kids who don't already know or have trauma about it."
But there is no way to reliably or completely separate out those two groups. After all, if there was, cases of csa wouldn't almost all go undetected or unpunished.
If you don't talk about csa to or in front of children, you drastically reduce children's ability to tell you when they're victims of it.
And gotta say, I spent a lot of the time sitting in that lecture (2016) thinking if a lot of tumblr users had to sit through it, they'd probably explode - and that's something to work on, if you relate to that response, because we need to be able to have these conversations - because when I say "think of the children!" I for once mean it unironically.
to me, there's an innate horror in tradwife content. it's always a pretty young girl in her late teens, early 20s. she's so young. she's basically a baby herself. maybe she's about your age. you just watch it happen. you can't save her.
either way, she always has at least three kids, sometimes more. you don't want to ask when she had them, but she had to have them young because her youngest had to have been born when she was at least seventeen based on how time works. you just watch it happen. you can't save her.
she's smiling but there's something missing in her eyes - a spark that should be there. there's no passion, there's just the movements of the day. sometimes she'll give an interview where she says she barely feels like getting out of bed, and other times she says nothing. you just watch it happen. you can't save her.
her world isn't real - it's neat kitchens and made from scratch cheese. she tells you how she doesn't need feminism because she likes this life, she likes wearing pretty dresses, don't you dare pity her. you just watch it happen. you can't save her.
you scroll up to an ex tradewife in her forties talking about how her husband divorced her and left her for a younger girl, leaving her destitute and penniless and twenty years out of the workforce. you scroll again to a pretty young girl saying she doesn't need a job, her husband will take care of her. you scroll again. you just watch it happen. you can't save her.
another woman, this time in her early thirties, talking about how she just managed to leave her abusive husband and has nothing and he took the kids, warning and pleading young girls to not fall for tradwife lies. you scroll again to a young tradwife girl saying that would never happen to her, and you're just jealous of her. you just watch it happen. you can't save her.
you scroll again. a teen girl tells you that she'll just track her period, she doesn't NEED a toxic chemical like birth control. you scroll again to an obgyn pleading with young girls to understand birth control is just hormonal, and that period tracking isn't effective. you just watch happen. you can't save her.
you scroll again, and it's jd vance saying how women belong in the homes and shouldn't be allowed to vote. that their husbands should decide how they should vote. you scroll again to a domestic abuse counselor telling women their vote is private and they can lie to their husbands. you just watch it happen. you can't save her.
she doesn't want you to save her. how dare you pity her. you just watch it happen. you can't save her. a horrible feeling washes over you. you just watch it happen.
at some point during high school i drew a centaur girl with large breasts because i wanted to draw a character that looked like me, and my biofamily got real upset about it. "why are they so large" because mine are that large. "wouldn't that make it hard for her to run" interesting that you think that but keep trying to make me run. "don't draw things like this, it's morally bad" ok i and my apparently inherently pornographic body will just be over here trying to avoid being looked at
this is not to say porn is bad, tbc. i just wasn't a fan as a teenager of being treated like it was impossible to look at bodies like mine non-sexually. frankly i'm not a fan of it now either lmao. i keep kind of thinking about how so many female protagonists are canonically flat or small-chested girls/women who textually wish they had larger breasts, but i can't remember the last time i encountered a protagonist with large breasts where that fact wasn't meant to be sexual. what is up with that dynamic and how do i destroy it
it's like... in order to be accepted as a woman, the character has to desire the idealized form of The Perfect Woman (or if she's a #feminist, reject and detest that same idealized form, but the focus on it is often still there). but in order to be a non-pornographic protagonist, she can't attain it. the moment you have a large enough chest you don't really get to be a normal character anymore, you have to go to sex world. idk. probably someone better read than me has written some sort of papers on this. idk what search terms to use though
If you’re not a trans woman you need to get way more comfortable with trans women talking about issues that don’t affect you. If you’re not a trans man you need to be ok with trans men talking about their own experiences that don’t affect you. If you’re not non binary you need to stop being weird about nonbinary people talking about the poor treatment they get for being nonbinary. If you’re not intersex you need to stop inserting yourself into conversations that aren’t about you and begging to be centered. Everyone get less self centered NOW!!!!
it's just really apparent that people think it's okay to want pain but morally abhorrent to want to give it. sorry but the sadist gets to have fun too. it's actually pretty crucial to the process.
if I said I was going to a taekwondo class would you feel the need to tell me kicking people on the street is bad or.
i think a lot of people internalized the misogynistic idea that “men are rational and women are emotional” and just went “that’s true… but it’s a good thing!” instead of saying “that’s obviously bullshit and we shouldn’t perpetuate this belief in any form”
making the radical claim "11 year old children should be taught how to make extremely simple food" has resulted in people making arguments like "I wasnt allowed to plug in electronics until I was 16 and I think this is super normal actually" and "children dont know what ratios are so its unfair to expect them to be able to comprehend the idea of adding equal amounts rice and water to a rice cooker" and I gotta say originally I thought maybe I was being too judgy but now I feel very secure in my opinion because what the fuck