I predict that the next episode's card will be "The Moon" with White Lily Cookie
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I predict that the next episode's card will be "The Moon" with White Lily Cookie
This new trailer art (?) made me think that this "Tartarus Cookie" as i will be calling them for a while might be responsible for the flashbacks we will be getting in the Academy. As in their power also partially extends to the past or the memories of the dead or sth
But this is just a theory, a game theory
if you see me liking contradicting headcanons for the same character just know it's because I do not give a fuck and I have an active imagination #hewouldsaythat
cookie run kingdom fans whuen presented with a narrative thats foremost message is about how most qualities/interests considered to be aspirational or "virtuous" within society are in actuality amoral and to prescribe abstract concepts such as the exchange of information or contributing to the interests of the collective as being inherently "good" or "bad" strips away not just the nuance, but often times the autonomy, of the individuals who are (involuntarily) admired - & held to unrealistic standards - for how their so-called virtuous qualities should be represented: I think thue fount of knowledge was ontologically evil this whole time actually
snapdragon learned how to cyberbully in dragontongue from uncy-aunt ananas
Being very interested in a minor character is actually very frustrating because everyone knows that they were just there to be there and nobody thought about said character deeply except for you and now you just stare at the swift and one-layered arc the character got which leaves you unsatisfied because you've already made shit up about them and the shit you made up draws your interest more than the canon thing
I have this headcanon that the Cookies of Beast-Yeast view Crispians the same way Americans view Europeans and i love fantasizing about it every once in a while
no like you cant convince me that they don't see crispia as either a land of dilly dallys or some preschool shit like chocolate fountains and candy trees
I have this headcanon that the Cookies of Beast-Yeast view Crispians the same way Americans view Europeans and i love fantasizing about it every once in a while
Ok so… Lily’s coming back right?
“Oh hey, there's an afterlife in the cookie universe, oh and um remember how a bunch of important characters just died recently… yeah that sucks for you Hollyberry cookie, you know like– like how you experienced great loss in the Dark Enchantress war? Yeah no, just saying you know, just um throwing lore out there to uh, lighten up the mood... And stuff”
Just throwing it out there… for no other reason
And oh- and this? You know how every character in the trailer is going to be plot relevant in some way, focusing on the TBD, dragons… and oh Lily’s here! Well she’s dead, you know she’s walking up the steps of cookie after life cuz… she's dead. She's dead–
Ok enough goofs and gaffs, I’ve made two posts about this already but I do think Lily is coming back to the story, at least in spirit.
and maybe in dough...
I wonder how the fandom would react to that, I know most people have been begging for her return, but I think that's more for personal love for her character rather than actual storytelling potential and how it works in the current narrative (which is valid, I know a lot have lost interest because of her death)
But I don’t want Lily to be back just for the sake of it. With the greater focus on the Witches they seem to be putting in this arc, Lily should be relevant. But my worry lies in how early it would be to undo the ending of act 1.
I found a lot of weight that was put on Lily’s death. And to lift it so soon would be weird to me. I’m mostly speaking out of experience with another death defying character: Shadow the Hedgehog, whose return was… a mixed bag as much as I adore him. The difference is Lily has been haunting the narrative since the beginning, bringing her back so soon after her climatic end would not work as well as it did in Sonic Heros.
What I’m saying is that there is a lot of care and delicacy that needs to be put into bringing her back into the story. To not only resolve the consequences of Act 1 without undermining it and its theming/messaging, but also to make it feel significant and not understay the re-welcome. And as much as I love to defend crk’s storytelling, the current pacing of the arc, has been struggling to let characters fully breathe (although ep 6 gives me a lot of hope).
Anywho, this is less “cope/hope” and more speculation and discussion. I’m honestly fine if Lily doesn’t get to live again (but she realllllly deserves to) but there is a lot for me to look forward to in Timeline of Fates, there are so many directions this story can go, the potential is limited only by screentime.
Eternal Sugar can read people just as good as Shadow Milk and Mystic Flour does but it often gets watered down to being only being nice and socially open which is very annoying.
IF WHITE LILY WAS REAL SHE WOULD BE THAT ONE KID TO GET THROUGH ALL THE RESTRICTIONS ON THE SCHOOL COMPUTERS AND PLAY LITERALLY ANYTHING SHE WANTS TO AND I'LL DIE ON THAT HILL
And the whole damn class (20+ cookies may i remind you) would just beg her to do the same for them
the concept of mafumom ranting to her therapist that her daughter is dating a fucking bum and said fucking bum's favourite hobby is giving her daughter a reason to wear FAR too much concealer on her neck and it is IRRITATING
every single time I indulge in another piece of media and come back to cookie run I am smacked in the face with the fact this is a post-humanist xenofiction, and one of the most incredibly deceptive ones at that
for those who don’t know the terminology: xenofiction is a term that is used to refer to stories which have no human protagonist and take place through the lens of a perspective of said nonhuman protagonist (although humans can be involved in the story). A good example of this would be the Warrior Cats series, which is about a group of…you know, cats doing warrior things. (I never read the books be kind to me)
The term post-humanist in tandem also means exactly what it means as well: a story that features not just an absence of humans but the effects of their completely depleted presence on the setting as well. A common way to identify this trope is to look for stories which feature apocalyptic settings, where usually the absence of humans is the main driving force of the narrative/setting (although not all apocalyptic stories can be considered post-humanist—for example, the fallout stories may have settings which feature an apocalypse that happened sometimes in the past, but they aren’t post-humanist in their entire structure because the narratives still center humanity as a very present force that is surviving and trying to lift itself out of extinction).
The way Cookie Run fulfills both of these categorical requirements is pretty obvious: not only do cookies themselves comment on how they don’t know what humans are, the narrative also features a plethora of reasons to suspect that humanity has gone extinct wherever the cookies live save for a few who have like 5 lines total. The Wizards all died out centuries ago, the witches exist in a max population total of Three, and it’s implied via how populated Earthbread is that humans have been gone for long enough that Cookies have reliably built established societies that stretch back more than several human generations.
The xenofiction aspect is also helped by the manner of which Cookies talk and the narrative themes of which the story is structured around. They talk about their deaths not as killings but as “crumblings”, their houses and homes are made of sweet, sugary confections, they don’t know what real meat is outside of Lobster Cookie, and it’s implied via the City of Wizards story that the Cookies were created to be vessels for human’s dreams and their innate desires, as good or as bad as they may be. Whether that desire is to serve as an archivist in a forgotten library deep within the City of Wizards, or if that desire is to feast upon a deliciously crunchy (and sentient!) snack.
And that in itself is what I mean when I say that Cookie Run is a “deceptive” post-humanist xenofiction. One of the core tenets of post-humanism in storytelling is the assumption that humans are a single species when the scale of the universe (or our planet) is taken into account. Most posthumanist works either focus on humans as being a stain on the planet as a whole in service of some greater, theoretical eco-librium (the planet’s rejuvenation in the wake of an apocalypse for example) while others merely assert humanity as just another cog in the machine when it comes to alien politics and ways of life (all tomorrows, bar the ending).
Cookie Run on the contrary, is designed to be a celebration of humanity. It was created with humans as the creator gods in mind who are no more evil than your average race of fantasy beings (bar the witches, but even then you can make the argument they didn’t intend for the Cookies to come to life, because they are technically eating life powder simply to sustain themselves) who quietly vanished from the world and left the remnants of their exploits behind, along with all of their distinctly human messes, like love, war, pain, elation, sorrow, hope, etc. The cookies were created not just with the audience in mind of how people could find a Cookie who looks like them that they can emphasize with, Cookies were created to be vessels of humanity and carry the innate value of life along with them, and to foster it wherever they went. (Of course they weren’t given this as an innate purpose, but they arrived at their own conclusions of how to approach life just as humans do when we gain consciousness)
The Cookies were created to wholly embody humanity and all of their possibilities, as a story which tells of the creative passion and fervor that comes with defining your own existence as someone who is alive, which ties into the core themes of the story regarding the bravery of living and facing your day to day. The Cookies were made to be eaten in some cases, to serve in others, but we all have expectations put on us we don’t necessarily want to fulfill. What should make the flour, dough, sugar and water we formed with our hands and brought to life any different if it could walk, sing, and speak its mind? Are we not allowed to believe some parts of us will live in forever in the art we create from the colors and shapes we see around us, which is one of the fundamental parts about being human there is?
tldr cookie run is a post-human xenofiction that says art lives forever so long as there’s someone alive to experience and embody it, whatever that may mean
I just found out what existentialism is and I think that whole philosophy is literally just the core of White Lily's Cookie's character
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I think it's amazing how gender seems to have a very loose definition in the cr universe so much so that the concept of queerness doesn't seem to exist.
There seems to be no differentiation for between what we would call a hetero couple and a same-sex couple, there is a universal tale about two sapphic women and their love for each other (SeaMoon), a lot of non-binary characters, cookies do not seem to care that much about gender overall.
My first and most reasonable lore-wise explanation for this is that cookies don't have anything to determine what we would call "biological sex" which leaves gender to be determined by the individual themselves or the ones who created said individual (parents or the witches/wizards). I think gender was introduced to the Cookie world by the First Witches for uhh... vibes ig, even. This lack of full internalization makes for the fuel of the queer-positive world CookieRun has.
Queer-positive, as *we* would call it.
This section will be the section i dive deeper into phiolosophy and you're allowed to disagree with me, just keep it respectful if you wish to strike a debate.
I had mentioned how gender seems to have a loose societal definition and so doesn't affect everyday life as much as it does in the human world. Gender is just as socially constructed as it is here, maybe even "more socially constructed" since Cookies do not have the physiological base to actually build such a concept on. Gender hangs very absract and so, experimenting with it is allowed because cookies don't fundamentally see things with as gendered as we do.
And this near-lack of gender in perception is what makes the concept of queerness non-existent. No label is existencially tied to any object or tangible body, that is just something we as concious creatures do to either define or classify said object. A rock isn't really "a rock" until we call it one, likewise a woman isn't really "a woman" until you call them one and vice versa. If we apply this framework to the near-lack of gender in perception, the love between cookies of the opposite gender and the same gender wouldn't be very different because gender is not what you see when you look at the sides. Cookies are implied to procreate asexually so any attempt to distinguish a so-called homosexual and heterosexual couple would ultimately fall short in the context of Cookie world.
The case of genderqueer individuals can easily be figured out from there; since gender doesn't have an exact definition and doesn't even matter that much, it isn't considered a very unusal event to come across a Cookie who doesn't really claim a gender (or see a blue coloured cookie change their gender every once in a while). What we would call cross-dressing also... it's also very casual as you see.
So... Gender isn't strictly defined so there are a lot of ways to experience it without any limitations, it is more personal and does not concern the society around you. The simple idea that gender doesn't have a rigid societal definition itself sparks that the concept of being queer doesn't have to exist because these cookies we would consider "queer" in our world aren't considered "odd" or "unusual" in their own world.
I'd like to drop this since pride month is ending and i wish to say goodbye by mixing my greatest hyperfixation and bits of my opinions on gender. This is a word salad and doesn't really make any sense so if you have questions about my reasoning feel free to ask me, I'll do my best to explain clearly what i intended to say. Have a good day/night and take care of yourselves!