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20+ | discourse blog | ship and let ship

[meetthehelper]

Do any of you wanna see a picture I took of some extremely powerful items

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Your fates are sealed

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The Elixers

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[willgrahamscock]

I read one(1) problematic fanfiction and now I endorse all evil things in this world

[ellowynthenotking]

Reblog to endorse all evil things in this world

[k-9teeth]

antis consuming proship content when nobody is looking

[animentality]

[allthingswhumpyandangsty]

“you can write non-con and dark fics as long as you’re not romanticizing it”

“you can write non-con and dark fics as long as it’s your way of coping with your trauma”

“you can write non-con and dark fics as long as —”

actually, anybody — including you — can write non-con and dark fics, and any other fucked up things, however they want, for whatever reasons.

wanna romanticize the fuck out of your non-con / dead dove do not eat fic? go ahead. don’t let anybody stop you from creating the art you want to create.

wanna write non-con fic even if you were never a victim? go ahead. you don’t have to meet any specific criteria in order to create the art you want to create.

just tag your works properly so that you don’t accidentally expose those who might not want to be exposed to such topics to the topics, and you’re all good.

art does not have to be for everybody.

art has never been strictly about rainbow and sunshine. art can also be about the horror and the macabre.

art can be outright disgusting and messed up, and being disgusting and messed up can be just what makes the art a masterpiece.

write whatever you want to write and say fuck you to censorship.

[wincist]

honestly, especially in the current state of the world, you all have GOT to kill whatever puritanical voice inside your head keeps insisting that if something is erotic it has no social, artistic, or intellectual merit.

stop acting as if someone can’t enjoy both erotica and literary fiction or classics. it’s not some dichotomy.

stop acting as if erotic art can’t be poignant and meaningful. and that includes all erotic art - not just fine art.

stop insisting that sex scenes or erotic material ruin movies and shows just because you, personally, get icked out watching it.

no, not all erotic art is high art, and not all erotic art is meant to invoke deep intellectual discussion - but insisting that makes erotic art valueless, a disservice to intellectualism, or whatever else - does nothing but add fuel to a fire built on conservative ideology.

[animentality]

[allthingswhumpyandangsty]

"guys I do not condone any of this in real life" "this is fiction" "consent is key. this is only fiction" "murder is bad irl" — I wish fanfic authors didn't feel like they had to clarify this in author's notes or else they might be accused of being abusers or worse (I admit that such disclaimers are also something I personally use for my own stuff because I feel like I had to make it clear). like... people used to not care if an author wrote dead dove fics because people used to understand that ao3 fics are not a reflection of someone's in real life views or morality in any way. people used to understand that fanfics mean what they mean; fan fiction. none of it is real. maybe it's purity culture that normalizes witch hunt and censorship in the past couple years, and therefore authors feel like they have to clarify that just because they write about violence or noncon stuff doesn't mean they're murderers or sex offenders in real life. and I think it sucks that these things (purity and cancel culture?) have made authors feel like they have to apologize for the art they created instead of being proud of their hard work and all the dedication they put into creating these art. artists should not have to feel like they have to apologize for creating art that isn't all rainbow and sunshine. artists should not have to be made to feel ashamed of their own art if it's not all rainbow and sunshine.

I don’t agree with the “you can write noncon and dark fics as long as you make sure your readers get the message that these things are bad” or “you can write noncon and dark fics if it’s your way of coping with your trauma” take either. because writers do not owe you anything. the message writers want to send to their readers — whatever that message may be, if there’s any message or moral of the story for readers to take from the stories at all — is none of your business. why writers write what they write is none of your business. remember “don’t like don’t read”. no one forces you to read anything you don’t like. dark and noncon fics are a form of creative writing and creative writing is a form of art. you can’t pressure artists into creating art that “fit your moral compass” nor can you apply your own moral compass to artists to determine if they can create dark art or not, if their reasoning behind creating dark art passes your moral compass. like… what artists create and why artists create are none of your business. and you don’t get to shame artists for creating art that you hate / art that disgusts you. what you can do is ignore the art because it clearly was not made for you and that’s okay. what isn’t okay is you harassing artists because you don’t like the things they created.

writers, embrace and be proud of your works. as long as all the trigger warnings are tagged properly, you have nothing to apologize for.

[artemisdesari-blog]

Sometimes being the mum who exists in fandom spaces leads to awkward, even concerning, conversations. Such as the one which happened this morning. The mum of my daughter's best mate asked me if one of their mutual friends had sent her a specific message. This message was a link to a fic on ao3, if this had been a G rated fic this conversation would not have happened. It was not G rated. It was an E rated fic. Our kids aren't even 12 yet. As it happens, both of our kids have their internet access heavily locked down and monitored. They have phones because of how their school manages homework. The mutual friend, however, is not so monitored. Or she wasn't, given what her mum found she's about to be. This kid had found a fandom, joined it, and found it chock full of antis. The fic had been sent to her by one of them as an example of the sort of terrible people out there who need to be harassed and attacked because they wrote a smutty story.

Someone thought it was appropriate to send written porn to an 11 year old to encourage her to attack the author.

This resulted in a very awkward conversation where I had to explain to multiple horrified parents the anti culture that is becoming so prevalent. The fact that there are adults who use that purity message to groom kids. The way they escalate and how it bleeds into real life. One parent told me she'd wondered why her 14 year old was suddenly concerned about the two year age gap between her parents. The more I explained, the more absolutely ludicrous it sounded and the more baffled these poor mums looked. More than once I was told "but the characters aren't real, it's really weird but it isn't hurting anyone". Which is the point. The fictional situation isn't hurting anyone. The person who sent porn to an 11 year old is.

Was the person who sent it the author? Doubtful, that thing was tagged in the extreme. Was the person who sent it an adult? Almost certainly. The parent who's child received the original message has found more concerning stuff and gone to the police, but from the language the person doing the sending was in the US. We aren't. Did my daughter receive it? No, she isn't interested in that fandom and therefore wouldn't have bothered with it. Is this the fault of the author? No, they didn't send the link, they didn't ask to be harassed, they wrote a story and put it on ao3, the website created in response to rampant censorship and designed to allow for all kinds of fiction. Is this the fault of the parents? Partially, they should have been looking at their daughter's internet use and clocked what was happening sooner. Is this the fault of the child? No, she's 11, she didn't know better.

This has been a difficult day. Multiple parents have had their eyes opened to parts of fandom culture they had no idea existed. And the thing of it is, they aren't concerned about the why of anti rhetoric. They don't care about the adults writing about teens or rape or incest or torture or any of the rest, because they looked at the clearly tagged and rated fics and figured that it worked the same as a warning on any streaming service. They only cared because some utterly vile individual decided to expose their child to something this girl might not have looked at for years.

Proshippers did not cause what I have spent afternoon helping several sets of parents navigate. Antis did. Normally I'm fairly quiet about the whole debate because I just want to get on with my life and share my experiences. Today I got dragged into that mess in my every day life and the adults in the equation didn't react the way Antis like to think they would. They didn't condemn the author. They condemned the anti who shared the work with a preteen.

[artemisdesari-blog]

This has kicked off, so a brief update:

I don't know all the details and can't share a lot of them because of legal stuff. What we do know is the anti responsible is in the US so whatever happens with them is out of our hands (kiddo's mum relayed this, don't ask for details because I don't have them). Turns out this poor kid had also been exposed to NSFW fanart and a few other fics before we caught on. She is not in a good place, and breaking the mindset is not easy.

So fuck the anti rhetoric. All you're doing is protecting works of fiction at the expense of real children, and I despise that.

[artemisdesari-blog]

Ok, so I don't have an update about the child most hurt by all of this. Mostly because investigations into stuff like this is slow at the best of times, and international investigations are even bloody slower, but also because it's none of anyone's business at this point and I'm not going to spread anymore of this kid's business over the internet. The awareness of the harm done to them is enough. I do, however, have something I need to add because some people lack the critical thinking ability to do the really fucking bloody obvious:

Do not come onto this post with your comments or your reblogs that contain the phrase "I don't agree with proshipping but...". Alright? Just don't.

"Pro" a prefix meaning "for". "Anti" a prefix meaning "against". Alright. End of. Proshipping is simply ship and let ship. Shut up and mind your own business about whatever that person is shipping. Because this post isn't a discourse about whether there are things people should be allowed to ship and write about or not. This post is about the very real harm the so called anti community is doing to very real people in order to protect fucking pixels.

You think proshipping is the thing causing the harm? The people who make their work and tag it to shit before posting so that the people who want to see it can, and the people who want to avoid it are able to avoid engaging? The person who wrote an E (for explicit, this was ao3 remember) story, posted it on the website created so that people could ship their ship and write their dark and nasty fic without having it deleted or being persecuted for it, and tagged it so clearly that I didn't even need to open it to know it contained specific themes. That person? You think that person did the harm when it was actually some purity obsessed asshole who sent it to a literal, physical, real child? You really think the person who tagged their stuff so thoroughly to protect people who didn't want to read it from reading it is the person responsible for the harm done to that child? And you're going to come into the comments on this post and go "I don't agree with proshipping but..." at me. Fuck right off. If that's your first thought, get off the internet, go take a good hard look at yourself in the mirror and contemplate why you're getting your knickers in a twist over works of fiction. Because people like you are the ones on the slipperly slope to harming real, living, breathing children. Not the poor bugger who just wanted to write and share a work of fiction for reasons of their own.

[bladefucker]

You are not a leftist if you think two adults consenting to kink should be considered a crime. Idc what kink it is. The perpetuation of shame around sex is inherently conservative. The criminalization of sex that you don't like or understand or that you think is "wrong" or "immoral" is inherently conservative. You cannot actually believe in the freedom of all marginalized people if you would enact oppressive systems on any group that you dislike. Like this should be common sense but y'all are so far up your own asses...

[dearestdrearilygirl]

when i see someone say they're a "freak" and "weirdo" and then have proship in their dni

[antis-delete-your-blogs-pls-thx]

[dearestdrearilygirl]

"ugh proshippers and antishippers are both sooo immature like shipping discourse is sooo stupid like i'm neitherrrr like why would you even want to engage with that"

I've seen antishippers unironically say and agree with eachother on the following opinions: being a proshipper means people should be allowed to bully you. proshippers make them believe in eugenics. proshippers all belong in jail. being a proshipper means people can send you death and rape threats because "you deserve it". being a proshipper should be basis for taking away someone's human rights or at least put them on a watchlist.

I'm not a proshipper because i care too much about fictional ships, I'm a proshipper because antishippers sent my friends threats for liking certain ships. I'm a proshipper because i believe i shouldn't have my human rights taken away or be bullied or in jail just for liking a fucking ship. If you believe ship discourse is stupid and immature, then you probably believe people shouldn't be thrown in jail for it.

[bearbrandmilk]

I don't use the label "proshipper" anymore since I personally believe that being against harassment don't need any specific labels. However, my stance on this matter remains the same. I will continue to defend proshippers and the freedom to create anything in fiction because I have witnessed the heinous things Normal People™️ have done to real people over fictional ships:

they've doxxed queer POC living in conservative countries where they can be honor-killed for being queer

they have sent countless of slurs

made a lot of rape threats

denied trans people of being trans

mocked CSA victims

and have sent actual CSEM to people

Every time we point these out, we are always met with more denial and more deflection because they still strongly believe they're the good guys. I'm aware that every community has its bad apples -- proshippers aren't perfect either but fancops' level of this behavior is not even comparable to proshippers. Only one side almost got people killed over fiction.

[engiewife]

Don’t let anti’s tell you your f/o wouldn’t love you because you’re a proshipper

Your f/o does love you, they’re madly in love and obsessed with you, you’re the light of their life

I know cause they told me, they would not shut up about you, you’re their everything

Don’t let some miserable person on the internet speak for them

[bearbrandmilk]

This reminded me of the time I got sent this on Xwitter 😭😭😭 they said this and thought "Ha! This will show them!"

[quicksandblock]

unpopular(?) opinion: it annoys the hell out of me when people tag fic about siblings or other family members with stuff like "this isn't incest fuck you if you ship it romantically" or whatever

like buddy. I KNOW it isn't incest. I didn't think it was incest, I wasn't thinking about incest at all in fact, and I would really have liked to have CONTINUED not thinking about incest except every damn author in the tag feels the need to remind me about it constantly. people who do this shove incest ships into my face way more than actual incest shippers do because they won't fucking stop talking about how much they don't ship incest.

please just tag your fic with the things it DOES contain and don't worry about the things it DOESN'T, okay. I promise you no one's gonna think your fic is full of secret incest even if you don't spend 30 minutes decrying it in the tags before every fic.

[petralemaitre]

In a similar vein, I avoid reading things tagged No Underage Sex. The vast majority of the things I read does not contain underage sex, but if an author is so afraid of the concept that someone might think they would write underage sex that they feel the need to tag for its absence, they're too anxious about it for my taste.

My avoidance is only reinforced by the fact that in my circles, "No Underage Sex" is occasionally code for "No one admits they want each other till the younger party is 18 years and 1 second old," which is what you get when people are squicked by underage lust, but not by age gaps. Pretending that there's no attraction before the object of affection is 18.0000001 is perfectly valid as a kink and diametrically opposed to many of my kinks, which involve people owning their kinks.

Now I'm wondering how often people write "Relatives, e. g. Dean and Sam Winchester, discover that they're not biologically related which makes it okay for them to bone down, so they do, despite having believed that they shared genes until the Ancestry.com test came back," which seems similar in disingenous-to-me effect.

Write what you want to write. Tag appropriately so that people who want it can find it and people who don't want it can give it a pass. Accept that the vast majority of the people in the fandom, let alone the world, aren't going to read it no matter how good it is.

[cacodaemonia]

I've seen this same thing with art posted on Tumblr. People will be like, "this is PLATONIC so don't be a freak and tag it as a ship" or whatever and I'm just like. Babe. Sweet summer child. You can NEVER control how anyone else interprets any kind of art. And you put that on the internet, so now it's completely out of your hands. That image or fic or gifset will mean whatever other people want it to mean in their heads and you just have to accept that.

And honestly, I think that's one of the coolest things about art - every work becomes something new for every person who experiences it.

[iminthetunnels]

ur future nurse is using chapgpt to glide thru school u better take care of urself

[lucyaudley]

Yep. This is terrifying. I’ve caught nursing majors, engineering majors, architecture majors relying on ChatGPT to do their homework. These are people who need to know their field well to ensure people don’t die and they’re letting a glorified algorithm cheat them through school. It’s so dangerous

[strawberry-crocodile]

love going on callout posts for "thinks cnc is okay" and seeing people talk about how us freaks need the electric chair. fantasizing about violence is okay as long as its not sexual, funny that

[strawberry-crocodile]

idk about you but i'm more scared of someone who opently talks about executing people because of the way they have consensual sex than i am of the guy who asks his girlfriend to say "no, dont~"

[osterby]

The thing about CNC (and other scenario or story based kink) is that pretty much everyone has already been doing the nonsexual version of it since they were tiny kids.

You point a stick at your friend and say "I'm an evil alien with a bazooka! bang!" and your friend flops onto the grass and goes "on no! I'm dead!" and then you both go in the house and eat sandwiches for lunch and you enjoyed your game and no one was harmed or traumatised and no gun violence actually happened.

Everyone understands that that's just normal make believe play that's healthy and normal for children to engage in.

Adults can play make believe, too. And adults can do grownup things, like involve their reproductive organs, with their make believe play. And adults are better actors than children and might need to set up a safe word to tell the difference between a genuine "I'm not having fun anymore" and a play pretend "oh no! I'm dead!" But it's still playing make believe.

[cheshireinthemiddle]

Oh, this definitely belongs on Tumblr.