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Unpopular opinion but people responding to "animal cruelty is bad" posts with "well humans are treated badly too" is the same vibe like saying "but all lives matter" when talking about racism.
Like yes, humans should be treated better too but that's not the topic right now.
One of the things that gets me whenever I’m talking to other leftists about veganism is how quickly they become pro-capitalist.
The land is “unusable” for anything else? The most common take is to put a farm, and always a factory farm by their own descriptions of what the farm would be like, on it instead of figuring out why an area is so unusable, attempting to see if it could be rewilded, and then returning it to the native community that once lived there or turn it into a protected space if the area hasn’t been colonised.
You want to boycott the meat, dairy, egg, honey, wool, leather, etc industries? But what about the people who own farms and the people who work on them? That’s their livelihood, how will they make ends meet? Your boycotting will ruin lives!
And yet, boycotting Starbucks, Chick-fil-a, Burger King, Target, Walmart, Amazon, etc is completely fine, that’s encouraged.
Not to say no one in the history of boycotts has ever brought it up, but I have never seen people in the leftist spaces I’m in talk about how the owners and workers will be affected by boycotts.
So it’s really just an excuse to keep consuming because going vegan means you actually have to give up the things you like to align with your morals, meanwhile brand specific boycotts are just minor inconveniences.
You can just go get coffee at another coffee stop, you can’t get dairy milk ethically anywhere else, but it’s something people really like, so naturally they look for the harm in not consuming it and latch onto that, but the thing is that they take a pro-capitalist stance to do it.
The vast majority of farmed animals are from factory farms, they are megacorporations. The owners you’re defending are millionaires and the farmers you’re “supporting” are paid in scraps to do dangerous and traumatising labor while being regularly abused and exploited outside of that.
And even though buying from smaller farms is generally more ethical, it’s still unethical from both a non-human and human rights and welfare perspective, and it just isn’t feasible long-term.
If half the people who ate meat began getting it from smaller farms, those farms would develop into larger, more factory farm-like, farms to meet demands sooner or later, because farming is always going to be business first.
billie eilish says you can’t love animals and eat meat at the same time (and she’s right) and there are thousands of comments sayin she’s rich and she can’t tell people what to do and ohh it’s so easy for her. yeah it can be easier for her but when it’s a black poor vegan saying they are vegan bc they care about something bigger than them you also don’t listen. you don’t care. you just create excuses because you wanna keep harming and killing animals for your own good. instead of hating on billie you should look in the mirror.
Literally, if someone with any form of privilege is vegan then it's all about how easy it is for them to say/do that. But if someone without it says they're vegan....crickets.
(Also half the time people saying this stuff are perfectly capable of eating vegan but just don't want to. I'd have more respect if they just said that.)
white vegans kill me man. if you’re gonna talk about the horrors of the meat industry—which is completely valid—you also gotta talk about the very present exploitation throughout the process of fruits, vegetables, and other vegan options ending up in our stores/shopping carts/on our plates. (for example: the guatemalan genocide can be directly traced back to the ufco wanting to keep land from indigenous guatemalans so that the company could continue to grow fucking bananas.) we also have to talk about the inaccessibility of vegan options when it comes to poor communities, food desserts, incarcerated people, people with severe allergies (hey there!!!), dietary needs/restrictions and more. we also have to talk about the ancient, passed down practices of indigenous populations. we also have to talk about how many are quick to post videos of animals facing violence (which is, again, valid) but have stayed quiet/mute on the ongoing genocides around the world… ones that have also affected animals they care about.
just because there’s a “cruelty-free” label doesn’t mean there wasn’t suffering involved.
when you see an animal being put in an industrial blender you MUST also make sure to mention to all the poor little carnists you also think murdering people is bad or theyll think you support that. Whenever i talk about how much i think racism is bad i also mention i think sexism is bad or women will think i dont care about that as much see how fucking stupid it sounds. (vegans are the only people i have seen who care about these issues btw regarding human rights violations in the ag industry. carnists are food fueled who wont even put down a steak LMAO. this is how i know you are not involved in vegan spaces beyond their animal activism)
do we remember those posts about the certain kind of person that cares more about animals than bipoc? remember those?
no one remembers that, because they are/its either A: a bunch of losers who larped as vegans B: racist vegans, because racists exist in every group C: didnt fucking happen enough to make an impact on either human or animal rights talk to actual vegans. some of the most diverse people on the planet. Veganism isnt even a white european concept. europeans were butchering and maiming countless animals repeatedly.
adding onto this: but i do not need to mention every human minority on earth when talking about how a baby is murdered for some fucking snack is evil because you bacterias cant offer basic victimhood to trillions of creatures murdered every year for no fuckin reason beyond taste pleasure. No, most vegans dont support killing minorities. is that seriously needing to be said because we dont want innocent animals hacked to pieces? what a mental concept. Like actually. Animals are so low to you even daring to bring them up as victims is offensive somehow? talk a little to some of these good people, and realize that wow. we arent that vegan teacher! shocking! "we have to talk about!!-" and you nerds never talk about these issues ever unless vegans are brought up, almost as if it is a kneejerk reaction to your flesh addiction and lack of giving a fuck about the rights of species beyond yours that are actually important to our planet's ecosysem
white vegans kill me man. if you’re gonna talk about the horrors of the meat industry—which is completely valid—you also gotta talk about the very present exploitation throughout the process of fruits, vegetables, and other vegan options ending up in our stores/shopping carts/on our plates. (for example: the guatemalan genocide can be directly traced back to the ufco wanting to keep land from indigenous guatemalans so that the company could continue to grow fucking bananas.) we also have to talk about the inaccessibility of vegan options when it comes to poor communities, food desserts, incarcerated people, people with severe allergies (hey there!!!), dietary needs/restrictions and more. we also have to talk about the ancient, passed down practices of indigenous populations. we also have to talk about how many are quick to post videos of animals facing violence (which is, again, valid) but have stayed quiet/mute on the ongoing genocides around the world… ones that have also affected animals they care about.
just because there’s a “cruelty-free” label doesn’t mean there wasn’t suffering involved.
when you see an animal being put in an industrial blender you MUST also make sure to mention to all the poor little carnists you also think murdering people is bad or theyll think you support that. Whenever i talk about how much i think racism is bad i also mention i think sexism is bad or women will think i dont care about that as much see how fucking stupid it sounds. (vegans are the only people i have seen who care about these issues btw regarding human rights violations in the ag industry. carnists are food fueled who wont even put down a steak LMAO. this is how i know you are not involved in vegan spaces beyond their animal activism)
"Militant vegans" has the same vibe to it as "feminazis"
Terms suggesting the violent nature of activists fighting against an oppressive system who refuse to choose a more palatable version of activism that doesn't make you acknowledge your participation and compliance within this system
is that person actually treating their veganism "like a religion" or do they have firm ethical beliefs that they're not going to disavow after a single conversation with somebody who neither understands nor respects said beliefs?
The current push that animal protein is 1: necessary and 2: optimal is driven by the animal ag lobby as well as a fascist association between meat and masculinity. You're not revolutionary for thinking that we need animal protein, you're thinking what the government wants you to think
i like how mosquitoes are like the big evil animal no one likes and they should be eradicated but humans do exactly what they do and worse just on a casual day in every country but we are "better" for it lol.
funnier part is insects dont actively intend to spread disease but humans 100% have intention in everything they do. We should fix our own shit before trying to dump on other animals who dont even come close to the destruction of life we do.
someone will tell you, you are a bad person for thinking this is wrong. theyll call you crazy for thinking THEYRE a bad person, for giving money to everyone in this picture, to the farmers, the companies, the workers. YOU are wrong for finding this a crime against life, burying babies alive, literal children, in dirt and shit, so they can have a fucking sandwich filling. So they can save a penny. Veganism is the moral right, the moral obligation to an intelligent, sapient species, you have the rational choice to do better and you choose not to, because humans are inherently selfish and thrive on pleasure and power, you get pleasure from their death. I get pleasure from eating potatoes. We are pleasure centered organisms. But we can choose to direct that more ethically. We show aliens enslaving humans and treating them like livestock in movies as monsters who should be killed and eradicated, we root for the humans, the livestock. But you ARE the fucking alien. When its a cow bleeding out on a kill floor, suddenly the "aliens" are just eating food and its "humane." bacon tastes good? you are pleased from their death. point blank. enjoying the taste of meat is a form of sadism, it isnt survival. you cant prove me wrong because to prove me wrong you'd have to tell me you dont enjoy the taste of bacon, and you only eat it to surivive. and you dont.
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a bunch of baby animals being buried alive is funny to these people apparently. Imagine if they were dogs. same losers who cry about yulin.
if plastic leather's only negative for the enviorment is microplastics then make that shit outta plants. Well people are trying, but you know how animal agriculture actively pays for propaganda and to silence activists? Yeah funny how that happens. Almost as if vegan companies are TRYING to make plant based leathers, but cant recieve enough funding because the companies YOU (carnists) pay for, are MONOLITHS and recieve government funding. If leather is a by product, it wouldnt A: cost so much B: destroy their baseline profits when leather sales dip
A lot of "alt" people have fallen for animal ag's lies lol.
It isnt small businesses or your average joe producing your leather, its stinking rich cooperations. There are so many plastic free plant leather's that have had NO chance to recieve funds because idiots online and offline are obsessed with having some kind of moral highground in a topic they know nothing about because they heard it from some famous alt influencer. Buying brand new of any clothing is never ethical, and production of a leather bag wastes more water then a pair of jeans, and thats not even including the water used to feed the cow and grow the crops FOR the cow (yes, portions of crops are grown specifically for cows, they are NOT waste products)
this article is a few years old but nothing has changed since. it is riddled with sources that lead to more articles. educate yourselves, stop settling for comfort. change isnt supposed to be comfortable.
When we’re talking sustainability in fashion, we need to be using data to drive our discussion. Our new calculations of carbon and cow skin
as an alternative person its sad people care more about looking good then what it actually stands for.
Fashion is a privilege.
“Uh animals don’t count because this is about white supremacy-”
You kill animals for their taste You chain them, fence them, whip them You take them out of their homes So you can look at them and have them do tricks for you You burn initials into their skin You strap them to vehicles You sit on top of them And you say that they owe you their labor and their lives An animal eats a humans trash, warrants death, a human killing a million animals a year is just business You reduce them to objects, literal objects, and refuse them victim hood And you’re gonna sit there and claim this is not about supremacy That is not going to work
Culture, no matter how sacred, is not justified if it takes someone's life when you never had to.
hey guys just a reminder that no livable planet can maintain current levels of meat consumption. and bonus! no policy or tech miracle is coming to save us because it doesn't exist.
meat consumption is quite literally budgeted, and it needs to be treated as a medical resource. disability justice means admitting that non-disabled people consuming animals and animal products when they don't have to are literally stealing the portion that needs to be protected for medical necessity.
and that medical resource wont come from living breathing individuals who wanted to live. It should and MUST be lab grown, because its a feasable, ethical, enviormentally friendly option. and since its a feasable option for the future, its disgusting to settle with small scale murder like some people would prefer when that time comes.
dont forget the mass production of labubu dolls you will throw out in 3 years.
I might be wrong but I don't think the average vegan is the kind of person to mass buy labubu dolls
yes, no genuine vegan is going to overconsume.
someone will tell you, you are a bad person for thinking this is wrong. theyll call you crazy for thinking THEYRE a bad person, for giving money to everyone in this picture, to the farmers, the companies, the workers. YOU are wrong for finding this a crime against life, burying babies alive, literal children, in dirt and shit, so they can have a fucking sandwich filling. So they can save a penny. Veganism is the moral right, the moral obligation to an intelligent, sapient species, you have the rational choice to do better and you choose not to, because humans are inherently selfish and thrive on pleasure and power, you get pleasure from their death. I get pleasure from eating potatoes. We are pleasure centered organisms. But we can choose to direct that more ethically. We show aliens enslaving humans and treating them like livestock in movies as monsters who should be killed and eradicated, we root for the humans, the livestock. But you ARE the fucking alien. When its a cow bleeding out on a kill floor, suddenly the "aliens" are just eating food and its "humane." bacon tastes good? you are pleased from their death. point blank. enjoying the taste of meat is a form of sadism, it isnt survival. you cant prove me wrong because to prove me wrong you'd have to tell me you dont enjoy the taste of bacon, and you only eat it to surivive. and you dont.
