Vegan For The Animals (Environment Is A Bonus)

Sometimes sarcastic, and this is my go-to place for vegan vents, BUT I'm also a positive vegan I promise.

[less-freshly-vegan]

Btw, if you're going to come on my posts all "vegans are so stupid meat is great yum yum", please be aware I'm not interacting with you. I will just block you.

[decompositie]

tumblr pisses me off so fucking bad why does no one ever wants to talk about WHO is working in the slaughter houses and under what conditions. everyone is always like ‘oh you care more about cows and pigs than the exploited farmers having to produce your quinoa’ (as if only vegetarians and vegans eat quinoa but w/e) and its like girl who the fuck do you think is slaughtering these animals? Slaughter houses are shady & dangerous places w/ a long history of failed regulatory oversight. not to mention the mental aspect of having to slaughter animals on industrial scale every single day. These workers are mostly immigrants and refugees and they’re being exploited. Fourteen year old children were found working in slaughterhouses in California like lollll yeah and you paid for that. calling yourself a ‘leftist’ and defending the industrial breeding and killing of animals is hypocritical it just is. and thats fine like we’re all hypocrites but let’s get off that high horse and get a bit real okay?

[lumpenmole]

The biggest labor dispute right now in the US is over meat packing plants enslaving immigrants and segregating people based on their language so they can't ask for help

[wontshaveforu]

billie eilish says you can’t love animals and eat meat at the same time (and she’s right) and there are thousands of comments sayin she’s rich and she can’t tell people what to do and ohh it’s so easy for her. yeah it can be easier for her but when it’s a black poor vegan saying they are vegan bc they care about something bigger than them you also don’t listen. you don’t care. you just create excuses because you wanna keep harming and killing animals for your own good. instead of hating on billie you should look in the mirror.

[less-freshly-vegan]

Literally, if someone with any form of privilege is vegan then it's all about how easy it is for them to say/do that. But if someone without it says they're vegan....crickets.

(Also half the time people saying this stuff are perfectly capable of eating vegan but just don't want to. I'd have more respect if they just said that.)

[less-freshly-vegan]

Tragic story. The student was a vegan for 3 years, and in the past 6 months had stopped taking a b12 supplement. They believe a severe b12 deficiency caused psychiatric problems resulting in suicide.

...but like, my issue is. Why are we demonising a vegan diet generally here? The key issue here is that she was taking b12 supplements, and then stopped. Every single vegan will tell you to take a b12 supplement, because we do recognise it's easily missed. Lots of foods are fortified these days, but it's good to play it safe!

(To be clear, this isn't a 'it's her own fault' thing, this is a 'she was a healthy vegan for 2½ years prior to this' thing.)

If you're eating decently and taking a supplement, you will be fine. And if your b12 drops - watch for stuff like fatigue or depression - then see a doctor and get treatment. Most b12 deficiencies are mild and just require stronger supplements for a while. (I know multiple non-vegans who have had this.)

People love scary headlines for vegans. We're all gonna die from low protein, low b12, anemia, get osteoporosis etc, so better get back to eating animals 🙄 But I promise you, if you're feeling anxious about that stuff you will be fine. Check your protein requirements and intake, take a supplement, and see a doctor if you're worried.

And if it helps, my b12 was so high last time I had it checked I had to stop my supplement for a bit lol. I am an outlier, yes, but so was this poor girl.

May she rest in peace.

[iz-robin]

I complained to the BBC about this today because their headline was "Woman died after vegan diet made her delusional" which is absolutely vile, misleading and insensitive

[less-freshly-vegan]

Glad you did!!

Hits hard for me especially I think because I've dealt with psychosis a few times in the past few years as a result of medical trauma triggering a severe mental illness. Delusions can become very serious, and physical causes are often overlooked, but fearmongering helps nobody.

Vegan diet is not synonymous with B12 deficient, and iirc the rates are going down because older vegans tell all the new vegans now to go take a supplement. Awareness is good.

[less-freshly-vegan]

Tragic story. The student was a vegan for 3 years, and in the past 6 months had stopped taking a b12 supplement. They believe a severe b12 deficiency caused psychiatric problems resulting in suicide.

...but like, my issue is. Why are we demonising a vegan diet generally here? The key issue here is that she was taking b12 supplements, and then stopped. Every single vegan will tell you to take a b12 supplement, because we do recognise it's easily missed. Lots of foods are fortified these days, but it's good to play it safe!

(To be clear, this isn't a 'it's her own fault' thing, this is a 'she was a healthy vegan for 2½ years prior to this' thing.)

If you're eating decently and taking a supplement, you will be fine. And if your b12 drops - watch for stuff like fatigue or depression - then see a doctor and get treatment. Most b12 deficiencies are mild and just require stronger supplements for a while. (I know multiple non-vegans who have had this.)

People love scary headlines for vegans. We're all gonna die from low protein, low b12, anemia, get osteoporosis etc, so better get back to eating animals 🙄 But I promise you, if you're feeling anxious about that stuff you will be fine. Check your protein requirements and intake, take a supplement, and see a doctor if you're worried.

And if it helps, my b12 was so high last time I had it checked I had to stop my supplement for a bit lol. I am an outlier, yes, but so was this poor girl.

May she rest in peace.

[peeper-leviathan]

i had a thought

do you think men have a stronger tendency to aggressively reject veganism/vegetarianism because of their evolutionary drive to provide, in the form of hunting? Like, if the gatherers can support themselves, there would be no logical need for the hunters anymore, ergo natural selection would kick in and naturally select them to go extinct. The evolutionary fear of not being needed and not finding a partner to reproduce and pass on their genes with could be a reason for the strong reaction many men have towards veganism/vegetarianism.

[vegan-butch]

Men react more aggressive to veganism because meat has been (in the US, UK, and Australia at least) associated with masculinity, especially in the current conservative political climate. Choosing to abstain from meat, especially when it's about care for other animals, is often seen as being less masculine, which feels like an existential threat to many men.

Men are not evolved to be hunters. Women are not evolved to be gatherers.

The assumption that men's gendered violence is inherent in biology only serves to strengthen gender roles and their power in our society. Holding men accountable for the ways in which they participate in the patriarchy is the way to weaken its hold.

[vegan-butch]

The current push that animal protein is 1: necessary and 2: optimal is driven by the animal ag lobby as well as a fascist association between meat and masculinity. You're not revolutionary for thinking that we need animal protein, you're thinking what the government wants you to think

[cherrypitgoddess]

‪when you accidentally mention being vegan and then you gotta sit there and listen to people explain to you how they only eat chicken on tuesdays at 9:56 pm during the full moon‬

[spoonie-elf]

When you accidentally let it slip you’re vegan and have to answer inane questions for the rest of the day about where you get your protein, and what you would do if you were stranded on an island.  

[less-freshly-vegan]

I have been feeling a lot of climate anxiety recently but I'm feeling more hopeful at the moment.

[morethansalad]

Pistachio Stuffed Dates (Vegan)

[less-freshly-vegan]

"Beans make you gassy". Skill issue. Speak for yourself.

[less-freshly-vegan]

Idk any time you say you're against some kind of exploiting animals, someone will ALWAYS jump in to tell you it's crueller not to because if we all stopped doing X we'd have to kill all the animals used for X.

I think it's utterly bizarre that people truly see the only options as to either exploit an animal (which in many cases kills these animals) or to just flat out kill the animal.

[less-freshly-vegan]

"But these animals like to be raced!" I think they like running, and possibly the positive attention they get when they go fast.

"If we stopped racing these animals we'd have to put them down because nobody will keep them!" I think this is an admission of not actually caring about the animals.

[less-freshly-vegan]

"Killing living beings is generally bad" should not be the sort of statement to be met with "wow you're so stupid, don't you know it's the right thing to do?"

Yet somehow, "killing animals is bad" too often gets met with nonsense like "only if factory farmed!!" As if the animal is any less dead because it's in some Local Family Owned Small Business Farm.

This doesn't even just apply to veganism if I'm honest. "This group of people shouldn't be killed" also often gets met with the most ridiculous excuses. *gestures towards many recent events*

[thementallyillmacaw]

Your daily reminder that disabled vegans exist and we will not be erased

[vegspoblr]

It's so weird how the veganism that goes viral among the general population has literally nothing to do with the rest of vegan activism. I've had so many encounters with non-vegans asking what I think about "the vegan teacher" and I literally have never in my life saw any content from that woman despite having been active in vegan spaces online for over 8 years now.

The stuff vegans promote and what we talk about never becomes mainstream because it's uncomfortable for non-vegans to have to read. Meanwhile, "cringe" vegans is what goes viral, because it's politically correct to clown on vegans, even in leftist spaces.

I just think the huge gap between what vegans actually talk about and what non-vegans see online and decide is representative of veganism as a whole is kind of insane.

[less-freshly-vegan]

Still think silken tofu pancakes' texture could be improved but like. Once chocolate chips and maple syrup are added, I feel like it evens out.