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Jude | FtM | 19 | college student | interested in lore, theories, and discussion | Likely to focus on Kylo Ren

[cantinasband]

No one’s ever really gone.

[narkinafive]

like my father before me | i will avenge his death

[stefani-germanotta]

walk, walk, fashion, baby.

[darthvaders]

It is the name of your true self. You’ve only forgotten.

[swprequels]

*kill bill sirens*

[bleedingkybers]

how did she marry him after this?

[fluffycakesistainted]

Most Wanted:

“Qi’ra narrowed her eyes at him. Was he flirting with her? Han could turn an insult into a compliment as smoothly as he took those hairpin turns.”

The Last Jedi:

“You come from nothing. You’re nothing… But not to me.”

lolol! That boy truly is his father’s child. 

But wait. It gets better.

Most Wanted:

“No, he wasn’t flirting, she decided. He was acknowledging her worth from a place of genuine respect.”

which is what i been sayin n preachin n sayin about the tlj proposal but anyways

[bleedingkybers]

Lol what? These two scenes are not, in the slightest, comparable. And to suggest they’re parallel is deeply, deeply misreading both movies/texts. Why are you trying to twist these two totally unrelated scenes to support Reylo??

Like. 

To start off with, what was it that Han said to Qi’ra? What was the context?

We know what Kylo says, and it’s that Rey is “nothing.” The context of this is he’s trying to persuade her to join the FO and become tyrants over the galaxy. He is insulting her, undermining her, trying to make her feel unsteady-- first telling her that she’s nothing, then immediately following that up with the assertion that she’s “important” to him (most likely as a tool...). He’s trying to convince her that going with him, following his evil path, would be good for her.

Qi’ra and Han have a mutual flirting relationship, obviously. They know each other, they’re into each other, they’re comfortable with each other. They like each other.

Rey and Kylo are fierce enemies. They’re trying to maim each other pretty much every time they’re in physical proximity--and Rey tries to in the first force-’skype’ iirc. They don’t like each other.

What Kylo says is an insult and an attempt at manipulation. We can only go on what Qi’ra’s narrative tells us for what Han says, since you omitted his actual quote. But what she believes is that he’s being somewhat flirty and mostly respectful--she comes to that understanding through knowing him, who he is, how he relates to people and especially her.

[anafigreen]

It’s always three of us lost among the stars May the 4th be with you!

[darthvaders]

May the 4th be with you!  

[bleedingkybers]

Anakin never got to see his daughter with his own eyes the way he did Luke immediately before his death.

[itsover09-deactivated20200721]

When I say I hate Kylo Ren

I don’t hate badass TFA Kylo Ren who seemed like he was following a more Kotor like Vader storyline or clearly emotionally stunted and manipulated Ben Solo. The Ben Solo who clearly regretted killing his father and in the novel was said to feel even worse and more conflicted. I thought that was a well written anti villain who I would enjoy seeing more of. Clearly his fall to the dark side was at a young age, a child probably. I’m actually a massive fan of Kylo Ren’s storyline in TFA and thought it was well executed.

I hate mentally unhinged, feel sorry for me because I’m mad at nothing crybaby Kylo Ren. Seriously the dude is 30. 30! And he’s going through adolescent troubles and moral conflicts? The dude decided to become the Star Wars version of a school shooter at like 24. Does he turn good? Nope. He kills Snoke anti climatically then just goes even crazier. I actually don’t understand why any shippers like TLJ Kylo Ren, it’s like a bad fan fiction that takes away everything endearing about a character, makes him into the main villain then has him make a cry face every five minutes. And I’m a fan of Adam Driver, but I can’t even follow his tag cause everyone stans Kylo nut forgets he’s a villain. You can like villains, fuck wads without making their actions right! I love the Joker but I think he’s a sick child killing fuck who deserves to die. Doesn’t mean I won’t watch or read him in every piece of material till the end of time.

When I say I hate Rose Tico

I don’t hate the underdog Resistance mechanic who along with her bomber sister, was going to do her part in fighting the First Order and be a welcoming addition to the new trio like Lando was the the original. I was seriously excited to see Her.

Instead I get an angry, forced Jar Jar Tico who’s main story arc takes place away from the central story, on some random casino planet that’s message I could get from any grade school understanding of the world while calling the sole black man/use to be male lead a coward the whole film, forgetting he helped come up with the plan that destroyed the last movie’s super weapon then fought space neo nazies. I actually personally love Kelly Marie Tran, I just think her character was wasted and pray for Episode 9.

When I say Finn was wasted

I don’t mean the male lead of TFA, the first Stormtrooper to show a real personality, child soldier, who risked his life to find his own freedom and save the known galaxy and ended up in a coma for it. Not that Finn. This Finn is by far the most complex and rich Star Wars character in the new canon and TFA left him with more storylines and adventures even in his coma.

I mean this Finn…what is this?! Pushed to a supporting role. Forced to be embarrassed and pointless. If you can name one thing that mattered in his story arc I’ll never post anything hateful again…I’m lying but still. He already learned about being brave and truthful. What happened about his past? His brothers and sisters? The family he’ll never know? Why does he share close to no scenes with Rey and Poe? Why does he get nothing to do? Even his outfit isn’t even that original. It’s just blatant disrespect for the character and actor.

When I say Fuck Rian Johnson

I mean it. Fuck this asshole. Every interview, every tweet and post actually makes me want to fight. It’s like arguing with flat earth people.

Gets His very own trilogy before even having a story. Says he’s having problems because what is Star Wars without the falcon or skywalkers. It’s called Knights of the Old Republic. Like do you star wars, bro?

Calls Kylo relatable but says he doesn’t know how to relate to Finn…That speaks volumes in itself.

Says he wrote and based Rose of a woman who wouldn’t feel right in star wars and didn’t belong

He actually ignores Han Solo and the original trio’s relationship with him

He refuses to admit any fault or even saying he could have done better.

Like what?! Everyone admits they could’ve done better. JJ does, the big man Lucas himself does! And I want you all to know this man has the most power and creative control out of all ther SW directors right now.

When I say I blame Kathleen Kennedy

Is because she is the cause of all this! The debates, the headaches, directors getting hired and fired left and right, all the political agendas. It’s her! Yet she’s not on the sets, not in the writing room. Doesn’t read the lore. Just like Rian Johnson.

People don’t hate the new series because Rey is a woman lead

People don’t hate TLJ cause it’s “different”

People don’t hate all the bull shit surrounding Star Wars just to bitch and moan. We hate are complaining cause we’re all the fans who are PAYING for it and some of us kept it alive when it was just some fucking comics and old games

Ahsoka Tano strong badass Jedi character who just happened to be female

Knights of the old republic 2 a game with a deconstruction of the Star Wars themes and messages we had been taught. The game is very different but loved even with its flaws.

Finn a morally conflicted ex First Order member who’s journey of self realization finds him redemption

Luke Skywalker the orphan from nothing who grew to be a heroic legend

The Force Awakens had too much of the same or fan service at times but it provided us with a new platform and content that bridged together 3 generations

We hate TLJ not because it’s different, but because it’s unoriginal and toxic and wasted potential

[skywalkerrains]

Add what was done with Rey and Luke’s character assassination, as well as the misuse of Poe and Leia and this list is just about perfect.

[galactic-kosher-ace]

I think it says a lot about certain parts of the fandom that they completely ignore that REY is the one who said “they were nobody” first, in regards to her parents. They ignore what Rey has to say and instead hyper focus on Kylo’s too blunt way of reinforcing what’s Rey has already said.

[the-reylo-void]

This is why that scene didn’t ping as singularly manipulative to me, honestly? Like… Kylo is absolutely an asshole about it, but it came off to me as very much, “You’re still holding onto the past? Are you fucking serious right now? Admit it to yourself: your parents fucking sold you off. They were garbage, and they left you, and they’re dead now. You’re holding onto nothing. The place you think you have in this grand cosmic story? It doesn’t exist. But you’re important to me. We can mean something, both of us. Come with me and we can start something new together. We can let all of those old hurts die.” 

It’s cruelly blunt and it’s very badly handled but it’s true, and it dovetails with what Kylo thinks his big connection is with Rey: they were both hurt and abandoned by the people who should have loved them, and they should both want to move forward and let the past burn. And he gave her the opening to admit to herself what they both already know. He’s not weaponizing who she is. He’s forcing her to stop clinging to an illusion because he sees it holding her back.

Like I said yesterday: Kylo is an idiot, but he’s a sincere idiot. 

[bleedingkybers]

here’s what I think

The meaning is important as well when the characters say Rey’s parents were nobody. What Rey means is that her parents weren’t anyone special or powerful, that she isn’t a chosen one. But it doesn’t make her unimportant; she still matters even if she isn’t “someone.”

When Kylo says it, I feel it has a hugely different meaning behind it. I feel his version of it is her parents were unworthy of anyone at all knowing who they are, that like them she isn’t special, that because they were nobodies that she is too.

(Edit for an aside: Also, we as viewers know that Rey does in fact have a place in “this grant cosmic story.” And she has it through her own actions and decisions. And I think Kylo knows that too--maybe he feels threatened by it?)

Secondly, when do we ever fucking see that Rey is “important to Kylo?” WHERE?

Thirdly, Kylo wasn’t abandoned the way Rey was. Rey was literally left as a young child to fend for herself on a desert planet. Her parents sold her and knew the conditions of Jakku and very likely expected her to die and apparently didn’t care about that. There’s plenty of evidence that her parents downright didn’t love her.

Kylo was “abandoned” because his mother had an important and busy political career, admittedly his father was probably not prepared for parenthood, and they hoped that sending him to his uncle would help him find a solution to his darkness/turmoil. There’s plenty of evidence that his parents loved him and wanted to do their best for him.

[bleedingkybers]

magic-owl replied to your post “Saw the end of SWR… I legitimately do not in any way understand this...”

Dude he lied, he was trying to provoke him into fighting. He regretted what he did

rude-are-food replied to your post “Saw the end of SWR… I legitimately do not in any way understand this...”

Because we find out in season 2 that Kallus lied and only said it to make Zeb angry, he was actually against it. There was also some other stuff in that episode, that basically started this ship. Also Zeb finds out earlier in that season that there is far more surviving Lasats than he thought.

I haven’t been able to rewatch SWR, at what point do we find out he lied about this? When does Kallus show remorse?

Just because there are more surviving Lasats, doesn’t negate that an entire planet of them was eliminated entirely!

I feel like the genocide (for lack of a in-SW universe term) of the Lasat can’t and shouldn’t be forgiven just because there were more out there. It doesn’t undo the obliteration of Lasan, even if he regretted it after the fact. Regret won’t bring back the planet, its people, its culture, etc.

[corezi]

what TLJ probably meant: poor Kylo Ren look he had a reason to come into the Dark Side his own uncle tried to kill him :’((( it’s also all Luke’s fault, blame him, he gave up on Ben so easy!!

what I, an intellectual, learned form TLJ: if Luke “there is still good in you dad Vader” Skywalker takes one look at Ben Solo’s mind and thinks this one is irredeemable then well, shit, I absolutely believe him

[thefingerfuckingfemalefury]

Kylo: luke tried to kill me when I was just a child!

What Rey Should have Said: And if he had then you wouldn’t have DESTROYED MULTIPLE PLANETS

Kylo: …..

Rey: YOU SLAUGHTERED BILLIONS

Kylo: …….

Rey: YOU MURDERED CHILDREN WITH A LASER SWORD

Kylo: okay but Luke…tried to kill me…

Rey: Because he saw your future where you murdered children and blew up planets

Kylo: Okay but if I WAS DEAD that would be BAD for me personally

Rey: But good for the billions of innocent people who you brutally murdered

Kylo: But…bad…for me…

So

TRAGIC

Rey: I don’t think you understand how this “Sad Backstory” thing works

[hyena-princess]

Not just that, but literally IMMEDIATELY after almost getting killed by Luke he goes and kills all of the other jedi-in-training who won’t follow him. His first action after almost being killed, because Luke thought he was going to be evil, was murdering people.

[avada-matata]

I still can’t find the logical connection here like why would that be your second step

[fandomsandfeminism]

A not-evil person would have like…called their parents or…the space cops. Not murdered everyone else in his school.

[nemesispawn-deactivated20181005]

[bleedingkybers]

Saw the end of SWR...

I legitimately do not in any way understand this Zeb/Kallus ship, much less that Filoni made it near-canon? Like. Kallus was personally responsible for the literal annihilation of all known Lasat in the galaxy. Kallus was perversely proud of it. Zeb thought he’d failed his people in his duty as Honor Guard of Lasan, and lived with that guilt and shame.

Kallus’ actions should have been unforgivable. Kallus doesn’t deserve to see Lirasan.

[bleedingkybers]

Some interesting text in a class...

I’m in a class called “Exploring Music,” which currently covers Medieval Period music. One of the pieces we discussed was a morality play, and the section we heard begins with a short monologue by the Devil. The Devil says:

Who are you? Where are you coming from? You were in my embrace, I led you out. Yet you now are going back, defying me-but I shall fight you and bring you down!

On seeing this translation, I automatically thought of Kylo.

I put italics on the part that was most interesting to me.

I think some really interesting discussion about Kylo and his relationship to Snoke and the Dark Side could come from this. I’ll try to analyze it more when I have time...

[uncawanwo]

I killed Han Solo. When the moment came, I didn’t hesitate! And look at you. The deed split your spirit to the bone.

[bleedingkybers]

[[Isn't that a lie? It seemed to me that Kylo absolutely hesitated, and considerably...]]