if they are going to make the joker the villain of ANOTHER live action batman movie then i want the whole jason todd arc. nothing more nothing less. i want battison to be crying and screaming and puking over his son’s dead body. if the joker is so evil then prove it. let him be a child murderer. i am sick of it. and dick grayson better be there too.
Honestly, I think this could work, but with some creative changes that might piss off comic purists. Then again, that happens in the films/TV versus comics anyway. And honestly, with Battison in his early days as Batman you'd have to do a time jump to establish Dick Grayson as having just left Bruce to become Nightwing or you skip Grayson altogether. I don't think fans would be happy with either scenario, unless maybe we were guaranteed a Nightwing movie.
BUT if one were to skip Grayson as Robin and go straight to Jason...
It would need to be a long movie to properly establish Battison's relationship with Jason, but even with a time skip/montage I think this would be rushed and would essentially create Jason as a throwaway character, much like the Robin suit in BvS. Jason would be fridged for more Bruce/Batman angst. I don't like this direction the same as I don't like skipping Grayson, but WB would go there and we'd be back in DCEU territory where everything feels rushed.
Another (probably still Grayson-less) option could be a longer arc over 2-3 movies.
Part 1: Emo Battison running into Jason stealing the tires off the muscle car batmobile (it's still early days so this would inspire Bruce to be more mindful of his stuff), reluctantly adopting Jason because he always runs away from foster placements, Bruce,Jason, and Alfred bonding as a family and Jason discovering Bruce is Batman, training montage and fighting some secondary villain(s), Bruce torn between trying to have a family/be a father or being Batman, and ending with Jason being captured by Joker because Jason wanted to impress Batman/earn his love--both as his vigilante mentor and father. Comics Bruce wasn't ready to be a father for Dick or Jason, and Battison is still so emo he'd really struggle with Jason. Insert reluctant Dad trope we've seen recently (Logan, Witcher, The Mandalorian, The Last of Us, etc. Wait, should Pedro Pascal be Batman?!)
Part 2: Start of the movie is Jason's torture and death, and Bruce being too late. We'd see Bruce mourning and the funeral, but WAIT... Ezra Miller's Flash movie 'Flashpoint'/Crisis event/soft reboot is what revives Jason (and NOW Pedro Pascal is Batman. JK). This movie would show Batman unhinged and barely in control, struggling against some villain. Remember, he was still sad, angry emo Batman five minutes ago, he was then given a scrappy little street dog puppy and then had him taken away, so yeah... he'd be a mess.
But we could cameo the new Superman as someone who tries to help him/stop him from killing the Joker. We'd also get little flashes of what's happening to Jason, but it wouldn't make sense until...
Part 3: This would not be a Battison movie, but more of a Red Hood movie. The start of the movie is Jason's POV when he is revived, freaking out, breaking through his casket, and having to crawl out of his grave. The flashes from Part 2 would make sense as we'd get context of what was going on with Jason; wandering around, getting picked up by a mysterious person, training, Lazarus pit, etc. Talia hasn't been introduced in this Batman series so things would have to get creative here on why Talia or Ra's would want to train Jason or she could be in Part 2? Maybe they'd pick Jason to be their tool against Bruce and Gotham--the leader that the Nolanverse Ra's wanted Bruce to be--a true son of Gotham to tear it down.
This could potentially enrich Jason's Red Hood arc as opposed to just being a crime boss to prove a point to Bruce. This would also give Jason's narrative weight as a victim of the system, so why not tear it down and start over. Obviously, Jason would have his own plan with Bruce and the Joker, but Ra's and the League would have expected him to go off script. This would also reinforce Jason's belief (and often representation) that he's often just used or manipulated by people who claim to care about him. He's not a son, friend, ally, or leader. He's their tool, but we could get more from Bruce as the torn man who lost his son. Also, Ra's and the League could be replaced by the Court of Owls to keep it Gotham-based since they also like to do shady shit regarding Gotham and deal with undead agents of chaos (Talons).
IDK. It's messy, skips Grayson, potentially skips Tim, and from what I've heard James Gunn wants to do something with Damian so I think all the older Batboys and, from recent history, the Batgirls won't be seeing any live-action film love anytime soon. And while I think Matt Reeves' Batman-verse is separate from what Gunn is doing, I doubt WB will want to "confuse audiences" with multiple Robins. As it is, if we get two Batmans (Reeves' and Gunn's) you know someone's grandma, or some WB exec or his side piece-of-the-week will be confused. And sadly, I think that's the bar for Hollywood these days.
Honestly, I think WB should expand their animation department and do more original series and films with the DC characters. I know animation isn't cheap and still takes time, but unless it gets a film release there isn't the pressure to make a BILLION dollars like there is for live-action film. I think this is where we could see more fleshed out stories rather than rushing, shoehorning, or glossing over certain characters. Plus, execs seem to sleep on animated stuff (thinking it's for kids) and thus writers tend to get away with more in those stories (BIPOC and LGBTQ inclusion/rep, deeper story arcs, etc.).
i think a batman game where you play as a new robin would be like really cool. like an original orphan. learning how to be robin. all the other batfamily members are there. i think that’d be fun !!
I think this would be fun, and maybe you'd have missions with each batfam member; learning various things from each (i.e. skill trees), carving out your own Robin style, and having re-playability as your player might lean toward one Batfam member style more than another.
Of course you'd have missions with Bruce, but he'd inevitably believe you needed more training, thus more side missions with different batfam members.
The mansion/batcave would be your base/hub where you could explore, hang out with Alfred, upgrade gear, etc.
And the final mission could be a team-up with Batman as something has happened to your selected main batfam mentor (or all of them), and after all your training it's time to prove yourself as a Robin. Bruce would argue that you're not ready or he worries about something happening to you, but they now matter to you too so whether he likes it or not, you're going.
Funnily enough, I've never been too big of a Jason Todd fan. Not because I don't like him, he's a great character, but because DC fails over and over again to give him justice and treat him right.
The number of times alone this boy has been beaten by his adoptive father, betrayed, and forgotten are far too many, far too much.
And the constant portrayal of Jason as this volatile, violent, mindless man is tiresome, lazy in all senses of the word and overdone. I understand that Jason was unstable after he left the pit, I mean, who wouldn't? The trauma of his death alone could've sent anyone crazy, but then to experience everything else afterwards, including having to come to terms that Bruce not only did not kill his murder but also replaced him, leaving Jason to grieve what was once his and what he should've gotten, of course he'd be less than okay.
Again, I'm not the biggest Jason Todd fan but I do wish more people would see just how much good Jason has in his heart, how kind and gentle he can be once his walls are down, when he's no longer constantly analyzing your actions and wondering why would you bother talking to him, getting closer to him.
In my opinion, a man who is so gentle with children, who constantly gives second, third, and fourth chances to people who don't deserve it, who despite it all still wants to make a change and protect the city that failed him, couldn't possibly be anything but the most caring partner. Not just partner, no, also brother and friend.
We all know what he did to Tim and Damian, there are reasons, such as his mental instability at the time and rage, and though those are not excuses, I believe Jason would still drop everything to go save his family. He might complain, he might brood, but family is something important to him even when just looking at them hurts him. He lost his loving mother, stepmother, far too early and it's not hard to imagine that even with all the pain and grief inside his torn heart, the little boy inside Jason still craves the warmth of a family.
Just look at the way he treats his friends, at the way he helps them through situations no one else would, how caring and attentive he is. Jason is gentle, sure, he is rough and mean and he's got blood on his hands, but Jason is made of love.
Jason was made to be loved.
So I think, whether platonic or romantically, Jason would treat you so well. He'd scold you for not wearing warm clothes during winter, "We're in Gotham, you fucking moron, you wanna freeze to death?", all while wrapping you with his jacket or scarf. He'd make sure you're eating at least something every day, and if not, he would immediately put you under his arm, maybe over his shoulder, and take you to the nearest food chain he could find, "I don't want to hear you complaining about headaches when all you had today was a cup of coffee and gum.".
Lord, he'd be torn between freaking out and being extremely annoyed that you got hurt, be it at work, a fight, or just out of clumsiness. But no matter what, his hands would always be so, so gentle when touching you. The tip of his fingers brushing under the injury, as light as a breeze, his other hand holding the back of your neck, or your bicep, perhaps even your hand just to make sure you're there, with him.
Jason would both hush you gently, "I know, sweetheart, we're almost done.", and also tease because he's a little shit at heart, "If you had a little more awareness than a ten year old this wouldn't have happened, idiot."
And physical touches? Oh, love, Jason is a sucker for intimacy.
I know for a fact he wouldn't be comfortable for a long time with anyone in his personal space due to the torture he went through. The trauma would make his skin crawl any time someone got too close or brushed past him, he'd hate it so much because it makes him weak but also because he can't let anyone try to hug him without feeling sick to his stomach.
And with you it's no different. It would take a long time, a lot of trust being built up, conflict and confessions, maybe he'd even open up to you with his head on your lap as you brushed his hair softly, a big, big step for him after years of not letting anyone close. He'd tell you about the Joker, about having hope in Bruce, about his biological mother. And he'd feel vulnerable like a child when you wipe his tears gently without a word.
Once he starts craving your touch, though, regardless if you two have a platonic or romantic relationship, Jason is putty in your hands. Forehead kisses when you part ways, cuddling on the couch while he reads and you're on your phone, thighs touching when sitting close, even a little bit of hand holding when he's stressed and needs to play with your fingers.
He's like a big cat that's constantly making his way onto your chest, stealing your breath and making biscuits on your skin, making sure you're giving him sufficient pats every day.
It's a little part of him that he's barely able to properly allow space for. There's still so much hurt in Jason, so much confusion and desperation, hatred and upset, that he'd probably still close off sometimes, try acting tough so you'd see how fucked up he is, how he's not truly worth of your love.
And yet.
And yet all it'd take for him to go soft and pliant in your hands would be a single touch, cupping his cheeks, brushing his skin softly with your thumbs, right under his pretty emerald eyes, making sure his gaze is on you and only you. Just like that, he'd slump his shoulders and bring you into his arms, breathing a sigh of relief and squeezing you close, your heartbeats synching.
He wouldn't remember when he started feeling safest in your arms but it'd feel like it was since forever. Like there was no one else but you.
Jason was made to be loved, though he is a little broken and a little tainted, lost like a child and hateful like a sinner, your love might just be his salvation, something he's greedy for, selfish for, even when he's so hesitant of somehow hurting you.
it’s 1am and i’m sobbing. i cannot handle this emotionally and this post has truly put my heart in a blender. OP you are so right, and I hate that popular media and even Titans has made him so 2 dimensionally violent with such little context. I love Jason Peter Todd with every fibre of my being and I am so glad that he’s finding his way. He deserves all the love in the world, even though the world doesn’t love him back. He’s worth everything he thinks he doesn’t deserve.
THIS TOOK TOO LONG why did I do this to myself LOL Based of this post I made earlier. Added extra scene below.
Dick is also the hardest one to draw for me.. idky Pretty boys are not my strong suit XD
Jason, getting beaten up by criminals, wondering where the hell his backup is:
Steph, outside in the car, jamming out to Taylor Swift's Out of Style: 'Cus you got that James Dean daydream look in your eyes! And I got that red HOOD classic thing that you like...
Jaysteph dynamics (platonic or romantic or familial, pick your poison good friend) that may or may not have made the rest of the bats go all "???"
I like all of those. So here’s a variety of random thoughts (mostly platonic and romantic tbh), not sure if this is what you had in mind but this is where my brain went
Watching footage from a justice league fight and calling out diving scores every time someone jumps off a building
Fake dating for a case but then they don’t stop but they also don’t acknowledge/realize it and suddenly it’s been like two years
Giving new henchman pointers during a fight
Referring to each other as the platonic love of their life
See above but then follow that up with making out on a rooftop
Treating villain monologues like they’re theater auditions including saying “NEXT”
Mocking Tim incessantly for an hour and then jointly glaring at someone who looks at him weird
The best (worst?) pranking duo
Giving a running commentary of someone else’s fight like they’re Johnny Weir and Tara Lipinski
Calling Bruce a furry to his face
Interrupting a gotham rogue team up meeting and treating it like an episode of project runway
Pet sitting Harley’s hyenas
Getting married but telling no one so they can wait and see what happens
Taking Damian to Disney World and only leaving a note and then also not answering any calls or texts from Dick when he tries to complain
Showing up to the Watchtower with a large bowl of popcorn and otherwise not contributing anything
Cooking together and taste testing everything but slapping hands away when someone else tries to
Developing and speaking exclusively in a language that basically just moved all the vowel sounds two inches to the left
Spending an entire fight going “did you know…” followed by increasingly esoteric facts
Spending a fight talking only to each other and completely ignoring the villains even as they’re fighting them
Donning the worst aliases possible and seeing how much they can get away with (think Steph’s mustache in WFA)
Giving collaborative birthday and Christmas presents to everyone for three years and wondering why someone asks if they’re dating
Treating justice league briefings or reports like mystery science theater 3000
Someone makes a joke about them sharing a single braincell and they reply that they’re taking turns so it knows it’s loved
Double teaming on threats against other batfam members in the interest of self-care
Being allowed in Alfred’s kitchen
Refusing to talk about what happens in Alfred’s kitchen (making edible food is what, but also it’s nobody’s business so)
Hardly see each other let alone work together yet somehow have more inside jokes than anyone else
Steph stealing Jason clothes all the time
Being the most aware of everyone else’s love lives and being the best people to go to for advice that requires emotional competency yet being completely oblivious to the fact that they’ve been essentially dating for a long time and are practically just a couple of signatures away from being married
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