Butch Peace

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[butchpeace]

Intro Post

I lived as a trans man for 10 years before detransitioning and reconnecting with myself as a woman and a lesbian.

I'm against transition because it's medically harmful, not because I have any hate towards trans people.

Gender ideology disproportionately affects lesbian and bisexual women and tomboys, and causes us to become divorced from our community of women and disconnected from feminism. This leaves us vulnerable to all forms of abuse as well as psychological and medical distress.

Masculine females of any identity label are my priority. You’re beautiful and you deserve love, health, and a happy life.

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[transmasc-theory]

If you look at nearly every study quantifying social oppression- rates of suicidal thoughts or attempts, rates of being subjected to conversion therapy, rates of rape and domestic violence, rates of avoidance of medical care due to discrimination, I could go on- trans men are among the worst off in the entire queer community.

But unfortunately, one study that failed to prove statistical significance suggested that trans men who are employed full-time might make a whopping ten cents an hour more than trans women who are employed full-time, so you see, my hands are tied and I have no choice but to declare trans men a privileged class within the LGBT community. What do you expect me to do? Acknowledge the flaws within that one study on full-time wages? Acknowledge that even without flaws, the study would still be only one measure of social oppression experienced within the queer community and thus it might be worth looking at other ways transmascs are disadvantaged? That's crazy talk! This one study in front of me is the only one that matters!

[sapphoslilhelper]

In a study of 27,000+ trans people - almost 20x the number in the above oft-quoted study - of all employment statuses, it was found that in the US, trans men make less than trans women unless both trans people in question transitioned as children.

The labour market outcomes of transgender individuals

This paper uses the 2015 United States Transgender Survey of 27,715 transgender respondents to study the relationship between minority gende

[oceanmirage]

I have so many reasons for believing transfeminism targets children but especially mentally unwell children, which is probably not news to anyone but I'd like to elaborate on some specifics. I think part of what is so damaging about gender ideology on kids is the very concept of a "gender identity." It is extremely common for all kids but ESPECIALLY kids living in unstable, unpredictable, abusive and/or chronically traumatizing environments to have little to no sense of identity. One of the tricks transfeminism plays on you is by instilling in you the belief that having a "gender identity" means "feeling" like a boy or a girl. Identity is not a set of beliefs, experiences, personality traits and preferences, but something you feel. When you feel good you are right gender, when you feel bad you are wrong gender. Gender identity is a feeling everyone is supposed to have. You know you are a woman because you feel like a woman, or whatever. And most traumatized kids don't feel anything about themselves except a sense of disappointment, confusion or outright self-loathing. Their identities are at best blank slates, because what they've undergone hasn't really allowed them to form any coherent sense of self yet. This is interpreted as there being something wrong that needs to be fixed. If society tells you that you are a woman but you don't FEEL like one, then clearly something must be amiss. You try on various presentations and the only thing that approximates comfort is androgyny or masculinity, because at least it gets you away from some of the shame of femaleness. The gap where your real identity is supposed to be has instead been filled in with aesthetics and consumerism, and while you've been trying to figure out your "gender identity" because you have now been convinced that it is the source of all of your suffering, you have been neglecting forming a real one. In my opinion this is part of why so many of them are so immature, under-developed or obsessed with superficial things like collecting objects. Most of them were once children in unhappy situations who were confused about who they were, and instead of receiving the care and support they needed to discover themselves their lack of a coherent identity was taken advantage of, prevented from developing and replaced instead with materialism and weird sex stuff.

[noblackwomannocry]

a lot of transfems' posting about gendered socialisation makes it clear that they think it's something that they opt into/choose to participate in/have to enjoy to be affected by rather than something that happens to people from the time they are born. people start saying shit like "wow what a little flirt!" about baby boys before they've even developed object permanence. people have gendered expectations for babies based on their cries. mothers overestimate their infant sons' ability to crawl and underestimate their daughters' ability. these attitudes affect how people raise their children. these attitudes affect how children develop their attitudes towards themselves and others.

peers bullying you for your sensitivity, parents blowing up at you for liking Girl Things, boys saying you aren't really a boy because you're a pussy are things that happen to boys because they were born and raised male. being the world's sweetest most gentle and sensitive effeminate little child who never hurt a fly or did a misogyny doesn't make the male socialisation not exist. the socialisation one receives isn't an "I consent!" thing it's the way people treat you differently based on your gender. transitioning later in life doesn't magically stop wider society from being homophobic, transphobic & misogynistic and enforcing rigid expectations based upon this on anyone in society.

[kittyit]

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[marbleguard]

I’m going to say something that might sound crazy. Suicide and suicide attempts are sort of a societal alarm bell that says “something is very wrong with the environment this individual was in.” A living being choosing to take themselves out of existence is the most extreme act of distress there is. The state stepping in to silence this alarm bell by funneling suicidal people into a state sanctioned euthanasia program, normalizing this act through a socially accepted bureaucratic system, is not a good thing. It goes hand in hand with the state’s interest in maintaining the status quo at the expense of the population and the psychiatric industry’s interest in individualizing societal problems to extract profit and aid the existing system. It’s saying “there are no complaints here, just people with sick brains, carry on.”

[kittyit]

it does not sound crazy

[honeyapplebutterfly]

One thing that led me to detransitioning was the realization that I hated being a woman, I didn’t hate being female. I hated being made to be quiet, being always less than my male peers and male friends and brother, being sexualized from a young age. I hated being forced to wear feminine clothing that made me feel horrifically uncomfortable, I hated the idea that I HAD to be interested in sex especially sex with men, I hated never being listened to or seen as intelligent, I hated not being safe to enjoy the things I enjoyed (nature hiking, comic book conventions, etc). I just wanted to be seen as HUMAN. Unfortunately no pronouns will ever make the world see female human beings as actually human. But I don’t hate being female. My female body connects me to other female people, as a sister and a friend and a lover. My body serves me. My body is able to create fucking human life. My body cleanses my insides every month to protect me from infection. My body is a fucking marvel of nature. It never needed to change. I never needed to change.

[hypnictwitch]

Not to point out the blindingly frigging obvious but if you label female people who aren’t attracted to males ‘terfs’, and encourage or excuse violence against ‘terfs’, you are advocating for hate crimes against lesbians.

[butchpeace]

Naeferty’s Story

For the longest of time I told no-one. It is only in the past few years that I have found the words to describe my experience. Thank you, Sh

This article really struck me because it talks about how a man’s trans identity, and the sexual aspect of it, can affect the women who are made to participate in the fantasy.

This man has a sexual fantasy playing out in his head when he’s socializing with women. Even just dressing in feminine clothes and spending time around women is sexually fulfilling for him.

Imagine if a man was walking around in dog fetish gear or something, asking women to lead him around on a leash. That would rightly be considered sexual harrassment, where he’s trying to involve unwilling participants in his sex life.

But when the fetish is for dressing “like a woman”, somehow it’s totally okay? We’re the ones who are wrong or overreacting for feeling uncomfortable?

We’re the ones in the wrong, just because there’s no easy way to describe or justify what’s making us uncomfortable.

Women aren’t just uncomfortable with these men in our spaces, our friend groups, our families, because they’re men.

We’re uncomfortable because even if there’s no obvious evidence or a way to prove it, we can just feel when there’s a sexual component to what’s happening, and we don’t like being forced to be involved in it.

We shouldn’t have to put up with this. And we can and should ostracize these men from our lives as much as possible.

[atwoodsfemalefantasy]

Taylor Swift says "please don't call me a bitch" and the internet wishes death on her and she's canceled for years. Sean Combs rapes and abused women and the public supports him.

Rachel Zegler is "rude" (not even true) and the internet wishes death on her and tried to ruin her career. Brad Pitt abuses his wife and kids and everyone goes to see the F1 movie.

Beabadoobie and Doechii make slightly man-critical posts and men hate on them and send death threats. Chris Brown sends Rihanna to the ER and is now on a sold out tour.

Blake Lively burps in an interview and speaks out about sexual harassment and she's sued to oblivion and ridiculed. Johnny Depp abuses Amber Heard and faces almost zero punishment (meanwhile Amber herself suffers immensely).

Billie Eilish covers her body and says it's to stop perverts from sexualizing her when she's underage, then feels confident and wears more revealing clothes, then covers up again, and men dehumanize her and hate on her for her clothing choice. Kanye West forces his girlfriend to wear a see through dress on the red carpet and says she's underage his "dominion" and people still say "but he made good music" and "it was her choice!"

Taylor Swift writes a few feminist songs and men hate her and want her dead. Kanye West has revenge porn in his music video and says "He*l Hitler" (i don't even want to type it im sorry it makes me sick) in one of his songs and his career is all right.

The Chicks (formerly The Dixie Chicks) said something slightly critical about George W Bush and were run out of the music scene. Dr Luke rapes Kesha and is still producing albums.

Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake participate in that nip slip performance. Justin Timberlake's career is just fine. Janet Jackson's suffers.

Lindsay Lohan suffers from drug addiction and the world makes massive fun of her (even after she got clean!). Ben Affleck, John Mulaney, Jon Hamm, etc have gotten drug treatment and were fine! Male talk show hosts like Fallon are on coke and abuse their employees and no one complains.

Sinead O'Connor speaks out about sexual abuse in the church, she's hated on relentlessly. Vin Diesel has rape accusations and is beloved.

Winona Ryder shoplifted and was blacklisted. John Travolta is a rapist and is still beloved.

Ali Hazelwood, an author, deleted her social media accounts because people bullied her relentlessly, all because she said she wasn't a fan of Peeta from The Hunger Games. Neil Gaiman rapes a bunch of women and his TV show thrives and his career is solid.

Beyoncé gets shit for feminist songs. The Weeknd songs about raping a lesbian and Tyler the Creator sings about raping pregnant women and they're fine!

"cancel culture" has really only affected women who are slightly rude or step out of line just a little bit. no matter how much feminists try to cancel rapists and abusers, their careers thrive.

[demonterf-deactivated20220818]

asking the “genital preference” crowd what they think happens during conversion therapy is always fun because you get to see them completely short circuit

[tehm-ally]

ive actually never seen one of them attempt to answer

[drenren]

I’m convinced they all think it’s medieval torture and shock therapy. They don’t want to admit that their rhetoric is lifted directly from modern conversion therapy.

You’re being selfish. you’re being shallow. Why are you so obsessed with genitalia? You’re telling me that all you’re interested in is sex? Have you considered a sexless relationship? You can always try and see how you feel. Just because you didn’t like it once doesn’t mean you will never like it. Let’s talk about why you’re so fixated on genitalia. What if you found you soulmate, but it turns out they’re the opposite sex, you would really just lose interest? Look how you’re hurting all these people - you’re saying you find them repulsive? How do you think that feels?

I’ve heard it all. I’ve been through it all. Modern TRA rhetoric is literally conversion therapy and it’s often actually more overtly hateful and full of vitriol than the standard

[apostasy-is-ecstasy]

I was put through conversion therapy as a teenager. There were no electric shocks involved, no chemicals, no beatings. What did happen was a very friendly, charismatic and manipulative woman sat me down twice a week, asked me simple questions about how I experienced attraction and then shamed me and nitpicked every single answer I gave.

It's a subtle psychological torture, no matter how resilient you are it will slowly get under your skin and stay there. Conversion therapy isn't what was portrayed on AHS you idiot children, it's literally the same things I see on twitter every day.

[butchpeace]

One of the biggest problems I have with Radfems is when they call women who identify as trans “misogynistic”, or dismiss them as though they’re just being stupid.

Do you really think you’re helping anyone?

Story time…

When I was a teenager and first discovered radfem communities - this was before I transitioned - I felt just as alienated by them as I did by conservative women.

Because they didn’t understand me, they didn’t have any experience with how I felt, and they didn’t have any helpful advice for me.

At best, their advice was “learn to love yourself”. At worst, they were actively hateful towards women like me and called us names. Traitor, misogynist, etc.

No one gave me the empathy I needed. No one gave me any actionable steps I could take towards that vague goal of “loving myself”, which felt like an impossible thing to do at the time.

The feelings I was experiencing, and which I had been experiencing for my whole life, needed much more help than that. It needed people who cared and who wanted to understand me.

A big part of why I transitioned was because trans men were the first people who actually understood how I felt and had an answer for me as to how to cope with that.

The answer ended up being wrong of course, but I didn’t know that at the time. When you’re a kid and you’re just looking for someone who understands how you feel? And suddenly you meet all these women who live as men who understand you perfectly, because they’ve felt the same things…

Of course that’s the path you’re going to follow.

Radfems need to be doing better if they want to actually help women who are transitioning. My feeling is that many actually don’t want to help and don’t genuinely care about us.

But for those that do… in order to do better they have to listen to the experiences of women who have been through all of that.

We have to talk about the unique experiences of women who choose to transition in order to actually help the young women who are transitioning now.

If talking to trans identifying women makes you feel like you’re yelling at a wall, consider that maybe it’s not that the person on the other end is dumb - Maybe you’re speaking the wrong language. Maybe you should lower your voice. Maybe you should try to understand her.

Of course it’s not anyone’s job to be our therapists. But when young women are looking for community and empathy, we don’t deserve to be turned away at the door.

Sometimes it feels like masculine women, women who transition, are the only ones who don’t get included in female solidarity.

[butchpeace]

I’ve been seeing some “Trans Brain Sex” articles circulating lately, and have been thinking today about how the concept of brain sex always loops back around to misogyny and homophobia.

Not because there are no average differences in the brain based on sex, and regardless of whether or not trans identifying people have average differences in their brains. It’s because the whole concept makes people think of masculine women as something other than women.

If having a “more male” brain makes a woman actually a man, then they see any masculine woman as actually a man on some level. Sometimes I think it’s even more backwards than how conservatives think about gender.

Someone could do an MRI scan of my brain and it could show that I’m “trans” based on structural “masculinity”.

Actually, I assume it probably would!

We all know who’s being targeted by this, who stands to be fucked up the most by it.

We all know that a lot of gay people have brains that are different from our hetero counterparts, shifting more towards male-typical traits for many lesbians and vice versa.

And this may also be true for women with high testosterone levels due to medical conditions.

Are they all trans too? Does that justify messing with their body’s hormonal system even more?

Does being gay, or having PMOS, justify fucking up our ovaries and atrophying our reproductive organs? Does it justify putting us at higher risk of cardiac health problems?

The whole damn thing is misogynistic and homophobic, and any woman with a brain or a real medical degree knows better than to believe it.

[spikyabyss]

this is how I feel about the 'sex ia spectrum' thing. that implies some women are more female than other women, there are women who are 100% female while some are 89% females or 75% and so on. then they say stuff like pcos is a intersex condition, so they believe if a woman has a cyst, well then she's no longer female.

and they have the audacity to say we are the ones who have a narrow definition of femaleness. they reduce people to hormone levels* which is more vague and arbitrary than sex and actually a spectrum, but that's apparently not reductive.

*see pcos example or or claims of hrt changing sex and common belief that sports category should be based on hormone levels rather than sry gene expression

[butchpeace]

Right. They’re taking “sex is a spectrum” and applying it to the brain and personality traits.

That’s how they get to the point where they start “they/theming” masculine women and accusing everyone and their mother of being “an egg”.

There do genuinely seem to be brain differences between males and females, on average, and it stands to reason that could affect our personalities. It also stands to reason that there could be a biological difference between gay and straight brains that leads to anecdotally observed differences in personality for many of us.

We don’t need to deny these differences in order to debunk trans ideology.

In fact I think it’s important to acknowledge that people do exist on a spectrum, in our hormones and brain structures and personalities, in order to properly debunk it.

Like yes some women are very masculine in personality. Some women do have high testosterone levels. Some women do have brain structures that lean more towards a male average than a female average.

But that doesn’t mean we’re men!

If we don’t talk about that, we’re missing a huge piece of the puzzle. And we’re alienating a whole bunch of young women from connecting to radical feminism.

[butchpeace]

I’ve been seeing some “Trans Brain Sex” articles circulating lately, and have been thinking today about how the concept of brain sex always loops back around to misogyny and homophobia.

Not because there are no average differences in the brain based on sex, and regardless of whether or not trans identifying people have average differences in their brains. It’s because the whole concept makes people think of masculine women as something other than women.

If having a “more male” brain makes a woman actually a man, then they see any masculine woman as actually a man on some level. Sometimes I think it’s even more backwards than how conservatives think about gender.

Someone could do an MRI scan of my brain and it could show that I’m “trans” based on structural “masculinity”.

Actually, I assume it probably would!

We all know who’s being targeted by this, who stands to be fucked up the most by it.

We all know that a lot of gay people have brains that are different from our hetero counterparts, shifting more towards male-typical traits for many lesbians and vice versa.

And this may also be true for women with high testosterone levels due to medical conditions.

Are they all trans too? Does that justify messing with their body’s hormonal system even more?

Does being gay, or having PMOS, justify fucking up our ovaries and atrophying our reproductive organs? Does it justify putting us at higher risk of cardiac health problems?

The whole damn thing is misogynistic and homophobic, and any woman with a brain or a real medical degree knows better than to believe it.

[bushpropaganda]

found this revolutionary paper that analyzes every single case of transgender violence across 25 years in Britain, using data from Trans Day of Remembrance. it is the first study that has ever counted trans perpetrators, and the researchers found that trans people were more often perpetrators of violence than victims of it in Britain.

this paper is very comprehensive and has a ton of sources if you wanna do further research on this topic. i recommend reading it and forming your own conclusion.

[gendercriticalbutch]

very very interesting, strongly recommend reading

[vintage-bentley]

Wait but I thought dysphoria was a life ruining experience that will absolutely end in suicide if not treated with “life saving gender affirming care”? Is that not true when detransitioners have dysphoria? Their dysphoria isn’t life ruining because it’s inconvenient to your narrative?

And why are we ignoring the fact that elevated testosterone in female people is a health issue? It’s not just no big deal. It’s something that can impact female health. Especially if you’re literally injecting wrong sex hormones into yourself which can lead to increased risk of heart attack and osteoporosis and that’s just scratching the surface.

It isn’t “fearmongering” to talk about these very real risks.

[itdoobielikethat]

Vaginal atrophy affects me literally every minute of every day lmfaoooooo these people know nothing but will never shut up like this is all cosmetic to them they think detrans women are angry we've been visually masculinized & cant be "pretty" again and not because we have lifelong health complications now

[bittermarching]

I think part of the problem is that ppl mostly focus on the effects cross-sex hormones have on aesthetics and fertility only. I've only ever seen any acknowledgement of other medical consequences (osteoporosis, elevated heart attack risk, painful vaginal atrophy, etc.) discussed on detrans and radfem pages.

TRAs don't like to acknowledge detransitioners at all, and if they do they usually straight up lie that everything short of "bottom surgery" is reversible. And rightwingers mostly harp on about how sad it is that detrans women aren't ~beautiful feminine~ waifs anymore and/or that they'll never be able to have/breastfeed their own children (generally without ever considering whether the woman in question actually even wants to have kids). And nobody on either side wants to listen to actual feminists or detransitioners.

[vegan-radfem-witch]

Like y'all need to understand that nobody was nonbinary, and then queer discourse on tumblr got popular, and then everyone was nonbinary

[downwithterf]

……..mkay, tell that to the many many non binary genders dating hundreds and thousands of years back on like……… every single populated continent

[vegan-radfem-witch]

You do realize that “nonbinary” genders in cultures outside of the modern west existed for either spiritual reasons or homophobia, right? Like you’re not wrong but you’re missing out on the context here.

EDIT: and even then, it wasn’t fashionable to be nonbinary, like it is now.

[sangredesirena78463748-deactiva]

i’m just going to copy and paste some text heavy info i wrote while researching the nonbinary genders of other cultures. because it’s very clear trans activists have no idea what these other genders entail because if they knew, they’d stop using it as an argument because these nonbinary genders are often homophobic, misogynistic, and intersexist, so here we go: “-two spirit is mostly reserved for men. only men are allowed to identify outside their gender role.

 
-sekhet is for infertile and gay men. if you can’t make babies you’re an entirely different gender.

 
-ashtime is for men who are infertile who were forced to live as women.

 
-out of all the north and south american indigenous alternative genders (there are several) only the Ninauposkitzipxpe were women allowed to live as men

.
-hijra is for gay or infertile men or even fucking women who can’t bear young and they’re treated like DIRT.


-yinyang ren is for someone who doesn’t conform to either gender role or fluctuates between both. any woman who doesn’t shave or any man drawn to makeup can no longer be their sex, they are “others”


-köçek, oman, metis, acault, chuckchis, fa'afafine, Mukhannathun? all reserved for men. only men are allowed to go against their gender role, but even then they are denied their manhood and are treated as “others” despite their will most of the time.


-in afghanistan and pakistan, when a family doesn’t have a son, they raise their daughter as a bacha posh, or a male, until she’s of marrying age. because if she’s not a man, the only other thing she’s useful for is marriage

.
-burrnesha were women forced to live a life of celibacy and “manliness”


-femminello even means “little man woman” for trans woman. 

is that the kind of representation you want?
i’ve yet to meet a person who identifies as any of these but hundreds of people claiming that these identities exist as some sort of trump card. when i meet these people i will respect their pronouns and beliefs. but fucking forgive me for not supporting homophobia and misogyny and often times genital mutilation, even if poc cultures practice them.”

[menywod]

also two spirit isn’t necessarily for a man to identify as not a man it’s a way to state that he was sexually attracted to men which made him “unlike” real/other men

[dyke-bytes-back-deactivated2017]

I wish genderists– especially white genderists– would actually recognize the harm they put us girls/(young) women under. There was rarely anything positive from non-Western identities, it was mostly prescriptive just like Western identities.

[omnivore-odyssey]

Societies have always had ways of “managing” those who do not conform to gender norms. This doesn’t mean that this is a positive thing because most of that management meant that gender nonconforming people will be treated as second-class citizens in society, similar to the way women are already treated. Instead of trying to model our current gender discourse after other societies who still treat women and gnc men poorly, why can’t we look outside the box and create a society where people can act, look, And be whom they want; where gender doesn’t mean anything and people can simply exist as they are.

[appropriately-inappropriate]

Also, “Two Spirit” was coined at a conference in the 90s. It’s not some Traditional Ancient Idea — it was a couple of navel-gazers in a ballroom somewhere.

[overt-menstruation]

For a movement that claims to be racially and sexually progressive, western liberals sure do like to use brown people to justify misogyny and homophobia. They imagine that these cultures are somehow more enlightened than the rest of us and completely fulfill the “noble savage” trope; then they appropriate those narratives and/or prop them up as examples of tolerance and equality.

The truth is that alternate “genders” have been created by some of the most conservative and socially repressive societies. They hate LGB people and that’s why they put us in the “other” category.

[rabidwolf2point0]