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@callioscope
I might not be on this site for a few days, normally I wouldn't bother announcing this but there are some very nice/well intentioned messages I want to respond to and I want people to know I'm not ignoring them, I just don't have time rn. I appreciate y'all
a few days or a few months. whichever
I might not be on this site for a few days, normally I wouldn't bother announcing this but there are some very nice/well intentioned messages I want to respond to and I want people to know I'm not ignoring them, I just don't have time rn. I appreciate y'all
The pro-fatphobia anon left a long reply in my inbox culminating in "You should direct your anger at the corporations that profit off obesity, not at normal people for knowing it's unhealthy!"
And without even getting into the claims you're making about health, and how "health" here clearly means "beauty" since working long hours, social isolation, alcohol, nicotine and being sedentary are all comparably dangerous and no one argues we should dehumanize people til they stop drinking -
Imagine having some glimmer of awareness of the ways in which people's health issues are caused by & exploited by the world around them, but somehow believing that this makes it more acceptable to mistreat those people as a result.
Also I'm perpetually disgusted by the defense every single fatphobe uses of "well it's unhealthy!"
Since when does thinking someone has health issues make it ok to be cruel to them? You are clearly just harboring a baseless hatred and trying to come up with an excuse for it. I have seen all of this before because y'all are not remotely unique. It is not ok to be cruel to people because they may have health issues. It is not ok to tell them they're disgusting because they may have health issues. It is not ok to see people with a health issue as a personification of the forces causing the issue and dehumanize them for it. Other people's bodies are none of your business.
It's disturbing how often people who have never found it difficult to maintain a socially acceptable body shape think that this makes them saviors or authorities over fat people. You are just lucky and ignorant, if you can't educate yourself and learn empathy, then at the very least mind your own business.
You are not a good person because you support making people's lives miserable to force them to change "for their own good" or something. You are a playground bully but with more sophistocated excuses. I'm tired of this
How can you call yourself a radfem and be pro-porn..
Yikes
Where are you getting these things? Are you just throwing darts at a board or something?
this is so crazy
i know radfems have a lot of complaints and repulsion towards the pill, but we cannot forget or minimise how incredibly freeing and revolutionary it was for women to not be popping out children every couple of years, to have control over their own life, to have paths available that werenāt justĀ āmotherā.Ā
Any kind of contraceptive is better than none. We just deserve better forms of it.
Don't crop out the part about how important abortion was tho
. . . What does he think most medical doctors are going to do for a stroke in that situation, apart from dialing 911? Especially if their specialization is in something other than, like, neurology or emergency medicine. How much can they really accomplish for a stroke at a dinner party, without any medications or medical equipment?
if you had a stroke at the dinner table youād want there to be a NURSE on hand, not a fucking gynecologist or an orthopedic surgeon. the nurse could at least recognize what was happening to you and keep you stable while getting you to a hospital right away, which is what you need to happen for a stroke. the doctor might ask you to lose weight first.
The nurse thing is IMPORTANT.
āthe doctor might ask you to lose weight first.ā is just an unfortunate, and thus savage-sounding, truth...but an absolute truth more savage than it sounds.
Sex Matters: How Male-Centric Medicine Endangers Womenās Health and What We Can Do About It is a patient-centric call-to-action from Alyson J. McGregor, an associate professor of emergency medicine, emergency department physician, and cofounder and director for the Division of Sex and Gender in Emergency Medicine. This book is focused on giving actionable tips for women to take into their daily lives and health emergencies, by informing them of the insidious biases and trying to advise them on how to best approach and advocate for their own health.
This book included a lot of information I previously didnāt know about the bias in medicine against women. The disproportionate risk of live-threatening issues with the QT interval for women due to multiple drug interactions, for example, or the reason some generic drugs wonāt work as well for women or may have more side effects. McGregor captures perfectly the anxiety and misdiagnosis cycle, the amplification risk. While her writing is sometimes very binary, it is fully rooted in the desire to clarify hormonal differences, and McGregor highlights specific issues for trans individuals as well. She also highlights religious and cultural differences that may come up in the emergency room as well as racist ideas that infect doctorsā minds, and emphasizes that a diverse workplace improves the diagnoses across the board.
This book (which, by the way, was the one I saved in my highlight on how to save wet books) gives great information on disparities and their roots, provided by an expert in her field, and rooted in the point of view of an emergency doctor with extensive personal and professional experience.
so much to unpack here
even if this hypothetical male doesnāt notice the flesh-wound-like appearance of the TIMs neovagina and immediately clock him then, thereās all kinds of risks associated with putting your penis into a bacteria infested, hair and smegma filled hole.
not to mention, if you KNOW telling your partner something about your body will make them revoke their consent, thatās rape š by š deception š
Fact: refusing to inform your partner of a known deal breaker (STD status, sex), in order to elicit consent, is legally defined as āRape by Deceptionā, and it is in fact a felony.
So this man is either a rapist or a would-be rapist, and is encouraging other men to do the same.
Filth.
yall are so disgusting and nothing he said in that video was wrong or immoral. if someone doesnt want to sleep with a passing trans person it's their job to not do that, which would involve asking for that info before having sex. this is pure transphobia and insulting af to rape victims
So wait, you donāt have to tell them but if they ask itās transphobic. So you advocate rape AND victim shaming. Got it.
if they ask....it's transphobic.....?? how???
"declare trans people to be rapists by default every time someone has consensual sex with them, otherwise you advocate for rape and victim shaming! im very smart and in touch with reality :) not motivated by hatred at all :)" - you
Look Iām quoting yall. Iāve been threatened with assault for asking before. So what EXACTLY are we supposed to do when we canāt ask but you wonāt say. And saying no to sex at all is transphobic too. The entire thing is rigged to force people to fuck trans people and keep their mouths shut. Itās rape. Iām sorry you think forcing some one to fuck you with threats of violence and social banishment is consent.
"What are we supposed to do when we can't ask" When you can't ask?
So you want my advice for what to do when you are attracted to someone, but you fear you'll be threatened or assaulted if you ask for the info you deem necessary in order to decide if you want to sleep with them?
And your current solution is just sleep with them, hope they aren't trans, and then label them a rapist later if they are?
This all seems so absurd I just want to clarify that that's actually what you're saying??
Also your last reply kind of spirals toward the end, and it seems like you're angry at me for things you made up. Maybe someone else has told you that "forcing someone to fuck you with threats of violence and social banishment is consent," but idk why you're pretending I ever said anything even remotely similar.
Edit: So I think you're trying to bring up how TRAs demonize women for not wanting to sleep with trans people, and that makes it feel unsafe to admit to potential partners that their biological sex is a dealbreaker for you. This is misogynistic and awful and one of the many reasons I left genderist circles. It puts you in a difficult position if you want to sleep with new people, don't want to sleep with trans people, and might be harassed for being open about that.
But however fucked up that culture is, it still doesn't mean that if you decide to sleep with someone without obtaining that info, then that person becomes a rapist.
My god can you read at all. Thatās not what I said. What I said is the situation theyāre presenting put anyone they want to sleep with at a disadvantage. What theyāre saying is the second party isnāt allowed to ask and the first does have to tell. But once they get in the bedroom and party number two decides thatās not what I wanted to have sex with after all theyāre suddenly trans phobic. Youāre putting people in a situation where the only way they can get out is be silent and be coerced into sex. What youāre advocating for is Cohersionļæ¼ which is technically rape. ļæ¼ļæ¼ because it ultimately boils down to giving this person absolutely no information and then expecting them to follow through with the act regardless when that information is revealed. I would say this no matter how you identify. If I got into the bedroom with a straight man and his dick was too big or too small or I suddenly changed my mind I would be expected allowed to leave without being called names or attacked. But by trans standards leaving would mean Iām transphobic. Iām not allowed to say no. ļæ¼
I am bisexual. I like both. I just have this thing where whenever I take a girl home I expected a fucking vagina down there and vice versa. So if I take a girl home and she pulls down her pants and thereās a dick thatās going to be a mood killer. And I expect to be able to say no and walk out. ļæ¼ļæ¼ This idea that people are entitled to sex is a very straight male way of thinking. Itās weird too because the people I hear pushing this the most used to be straight men and now identify as trans women. Funny that. š¤ļæ¼
"My god can you read at all" *launches into a long paragraph where you bring up unrelated things, criticize things I never said, and misinterpret the small bit that you did bother to read*
So once again your reply consists of
explaining (redundantly, needlessly) why it's bad to call people transphobes for not wanting to sleep with a trans person or for asking if theyre trans - seemingly under the impression that someone here is disagreeing with you on this?
describing a situation where someone coerces someone else into sex, and failing to explain why that justifies claiming that all trans people are rapists if they don't announce that theyre trans without any indication that you need that info
repeatedly explaining why it's important to be able to revoke consent at any time. again, it seems like you are under the impression I disagree with you on this, but I have no idea why you would think that
"You are advocating for all these things" I'm not. Please show me where you got that impression. Also maybe bother to read what I actually wrote if you're going to act like you're responding to me
I also wouldn't sleep with a trans woman so idk why you keep insisting that I support them coercing people into sex. It would probably help if you tried reading what I actually said and not lecturing me about views that we evidently share
Obvs not saying trans women deserve to die but maybe donāt rape someone w/ deception and they wonāt act violently towards u? Like is that wrong to say or is that like too horrible?
Depends whether you define deception as "trans people lying and saying theyre cis" or "trans people existing."
If it's the former then this post is fine. If it's the latter, you're arguing it's ok to murder trans people just for being trans, which is obviously pure evil
Enyway if you have sex with someone knowing full well they would reject you if they actually knew that youāre trans, youāre a disgusting scummy rapist who shouldnāt be having sex period.
"knowing full well they would reject you-" okay but how are they supposed to know? where are you getting that part from? are you implying that trans people have a duty to assume that being trans is a dealbreaker unless told otherwise? or are you inserting that bit to make it sound like someone else defending that, even though no one was?
just out of curiosity, in your opinion, if I had a bunch of one night stands with straight men in a really conservative place and didn't inform them I'm attracted to women, would that make me a rapist? since obviously lots of conservative men don't want anything to do with queer people. I also wouldn't be attracted to someone if I knew they were homophobic, and that's a fairly common deal-breaker too. So if they don't tell me they think homosexuality is a sin ahead of time, are we mutually raping each other by deception? Is this a useful definition of rape by deception in your opinion? are we both entitled to violently attack each other in retaliation?
so much to unpack here
even if this hypothetical male doesnāt notice the flesh-wound-like appearance of the TIMs neovagina and immediately clock him then, thereās all kinds of risks associated with putting your penis into a bacteria infested, hair and smegma filled hole.
not to mention, if you KNOW telling your partner something about your body will make them revoke their consent, thatās rape š by š deception š
Fact: refusing to inform your partner of a known deal breaker (STD status, sex), in order to elicit consent, is legally defined as āRape by Deceptionā, and it is in fact a felony.
So this man is either a rapist or a would-be rapist, and is encouraging other men to do the same.
Filth.
yall are so disgusting and nothing he said in that video was wrong or immoral. if someone doesnt want to sleep with a passing trans person it's their job to not do that, which would involve asking for that info before having sex. this is pure transphobia and insulting af to rape victims
Have you considered said person might not really know or understand what trans people are? "Its their job" .. seems like victim blaming. Its not normal to have to ask everyone you wanna fuck if their trans before you do. Theres not that many trans people, maybe in another world where trans people were everywhere and everyone knew of that risk, like with stds, your argument would make more sense. But still, if you have an std, you should tell anyone youre planning to fuck, its a very fucked up thing not to do, same with if youre trans. Its not that hard being a decent person. I know it seems that way but its rlly not. And can trans people just find someone that's actually okay with fucking a trans man or woman? Those people do exsist and nobody needs to get traumatized or hurt.
Its not insulting to rape victims, as by law, if a trans person refuses to inform someone they have sex with, their sex before, that person is a rape victim.
@callioscope I personally have never asked anyone I've slept with if they are trans, and honestly I would consider it an insult to do so. It is not only victim blaming and insulting to require people to ask this, but also so much more senseless effort if suddenly everyone has to start asking all their partners if they are trans, rather than the very select few trans people that are passing to actually just disclose their sex.
They are already lying about their sex by claming to be women, to most of the population woman still means adult human female. It is not up to us to ask if theyre reaally women? Really really? But also, down there for real? The very least they can do is at least before sex disclose that they are male. If they don't then yeah they are lying and it is rape by deception.
Even though they've personally decided "woman" is about inner feelings rather than biological reality, that doesn't make it true. I can personally decide being "STD free" means that I feel free of std's, but if I go around claiming I'm STD free while I have chlamydia or something and then later say "well, you should've asked me if I actually had any std's. STD free is an identity for me, its about who i am on the inside".
Long story short yeah it's awful, yeah it's lying, and yeah it's rape.
If you refuse to ask people if theyre trans because you feel awkward about it, but you have decided you need to know that in order to sleep with them, you just aren't mature enpugh to have sex imo, but whatever that's your problem. And I don't "require" people to ask if their partners are trans. Where did I ever say that?
I think if there is info you consider essential to your consent, you should probably not engage in sexual activity without knowing that info, but it's really up to you whether you want to risk the potential emotional fallout of learning that you guessed wrong. If this makes you a "victim" then you can describe yourself that way, and I would never say you should be "blamed" for feeling however you feel, but it doesn't mean the person you freely chose to sleep with wronged you somehow.
"It would be ridiculous for me to ask my partners for the info I need in order to give consent. It's obviously much better for me to give consent and then if they fail to correct me I'll call them rapists."
You're basically saying that "trans people are the weirdos and if you aren't the norm you have a duty to tell people, and they have a right to assume otherwise, and if you don't correct that assumption you're lying." So every gay person who doesn't quickly announce that they're gay is lying to the people around them I guess.
As for your analogy about STD's...an STD can affect you materially. Sleeping with a passing trans person can only affect you psychologically and in that case you are the only one who could possibly know how you feel about that.
Yonic godess already pointed out that there are material risks to sleeping with a person that has undergone vaginoplasty.
The point is that someone has already lied to you about their sex by telling you they are a woman if they are male. You shouldn't have to double check if they were actually really telling the truth. Should we just ask if they are trans? What if they don't identify as trans, even though they did have a vaginoplasty. Is it then on us that we didn't specifically ask if their vagina was born in that exact state or if they had plastic surgery to turn their penis into a vagina?
It is very widely known that having had genital surgery is a dealbreaker for a large amount of people. This is not some fringe personal thing, it goes without saying that this can be a big issue. If you feel comfortable having sex with someone while pretending to be a woman knowing that they do not want to have sex with a male, that's rape, you'd be a rapist. Who in their right mind would not want to make sure they are not significantly psychologically harming their sexual partner?
Also, if we're gonna talk about nonsensical analogies then your gay person analogy definitely doesnt make sense because you excluded sex entirely from the equation while the whole point of the discussion is that it is rape. Is it rape not to tell a random stranger some personal fact about yourself? No? Then it's not relevant. I do think if you are a male that frequently has (unprotected) sex with other males you should probably disclose that to your sexual partner because that is high std risk behavior and someone might want to know that.
Most of this I've already addressed in other replies and I'm tired but I can clarify that last bit. People are claiming that a trans person who doesn't announce their abnormality is lying. I pointed out that it would be ridiculous to claim the same thing about gay people. Idk why that was confusing but I hope this makes sense.
Also I really hope you're not gonna say that gay/bi men are rapists if they don't offer their sexual history unprompted but tbh I'm afraid to get my hopes up at this point. The idea that you have a duty to guess what your partner might want to know without being told, lest you become a rapist when they choose to sleep with you...is just so immature and self-destructive as well as a horrible thing to do to your partners. There are dozens or hundreds of common personal deal-breakers that you can't possibly anticipate just by guessing. When you decide to sleep with someone, you're telling them that you have all the info you need in order to consent. If you're lying about this then idk maybe you are also committing rape by deception ? better to just not sleep with someone til you have all the info you want in order to make that choice.
so much to unpack here
even if this hypothetical male doesnāt notice the flesh-wound-like appearance of the TIMs neovagina and immediately clock him then, thereās all kinds of risks associated with putting your penis into a bacteria infested, hair and smegma filled hole.
not to mention, if you KNOW telling your partner something about your body will make them revoke their consent, thatās rape š by š deception š
Fact: refusing to inform your partner of a known deal breaker (STD status, sex), in order to elicit consent, is legally defined as āRape by Deceptionā, and it is in fact a felony.
So this man is either a rapist or a would-be rapist, and is encouraging other men to do the same.
Filth.
yall are so disgusting and nothing he said in that video was wrong or immoral. if someone doesnt want to sleep with a passing trans person it's their job to not do that, which would involve asking for that info before having sex. this is pure transphobia and insulting af to rape victims
Have you considered said person might not really know or understand what trans people are? "Its their job" .. seems like victim blaming. Its not normal to have to ask everyone you wanna fuck if their trans before you do. Theres not that many trans people, maybe in another world where trans people were everywhere and everyone knew of that risk, like with stds, your argument would make more sense. But still, if you have an std, you should tell anyone youre planning to fuck, its a very fucked up thing not to do, same with if youre trans. Its not that hard being a decent person. I know it seems that way but its rlly not. And can trans people just find someone that's actually okay with fucking a trans man or woman? Those people do exsist and nobody needs to get traumatized or hurt.
Its not insulting to rape victims, as by law, if a trans person refuses to inform someone they have sex with, their sex before, that person is a rape victim.
@callioscope I personally have never asked anyone I've slept with if they are trans, and honestly I would consider it an insult to do so. It is not only victim blaming and insulting to require people to ask this, but also so much more senseless effort if suddenly everyone has to start asking all their partners if they are trans, rather than the very select few trans people that are passing to actually just disclose their sex.
They are already lying about their sex by claming to be women, to most of the population woman still means adult human female. It is not up to us to ask if theyre reaally women? Really really? But also, down there for real? The very least they can do is at least before sex disclose that they are male. If they don't then yeah they are lying and it is rape by deception.
Even though they've personally decided "woman" is about inner feelings rather than biological reality, that doesn't make it true. I can personally decide being "STD free" means that I feel free of std's, but if I go around claiming I'm STD free while I have chlamydia or something and then later say "well, you should've asked me if I actually had any std's. STD free is an identity for me, its about who i am on the inside".
Long story short yeah it's awful, yeah it's lying, and yeah it's rape.
If you refuse to ask people if theyre trans because you feel awkward about it, but you have decided you need to know that in order to sleep with them, you just aren't mature enpugh to have sex imo, but whatever that's your problem. And I don't "require" people to ask if their partners are trans. Where did I ever say that?
I think if there is info you consider essential to your consent, you should probably not engage in sexual activity without knowing that info, but it's really up to you whether you want to risk the potential emotional fallout of learning that you guessed wrong. If this makes you a "victim" then you can describe yourself that way, and I would never say you should be "blamed" for feeling however you feel, but it doesn't mean the person you freely chose to sleep with wronged you somehow.
"It would be ridiculous for me to ask my partners for the info I need in order to give consent. It's obviously much better for me to give consent and then if they fail to correct me I'll call them rapists."
You're basically saying that "trans people are the weirdos and if you aren't the norm you have a duty to tell people, and they have a right to assume otherwise, and if you don't correct that assumption you're lying." So every gay person who doesn't quickly announce that they're gay is lying to the people around them I guess.
As for your analogy about STD's...an STD can affect you materially. Sleeping with a passing trans person can only affect you psychologically and in that case you are the only one who could possibly know how you feel about that.
bro neovaginas are known to collect fecal matter and all sorts of other bacteria and they aren't self cleaning, it is absolutely not unreasonable to want to know that the pussy you're fucking/eating out isn't a real one. trans people do have a duty to tell people they're trans before fucking. if they set their tinder profile to "female" they're already deceiving from the get go because no amount of surgery will make them female and they're exclusively going to show up for other people specifically seeking WOMEN.
"It's not unreasonable to want to know" ok. one ever claimed you shouldnt try to obtain that information. I am actively encouraging you to do so. But declaring that a trans person has to read your mind and volunteer the info preemptively otherwise theyre a rapist if they let you go down on them? That's absurd and hateful. Same with the "altering your body is a LIE" argument.
I agree that lying via the way they describe themselves is possible. But I guarantee if you check the definitions those sites use, they'll say "female" refers to trans women. Also many of the site's users will want trans women to come up in that search. So it's still complicated.
like what is more cringe, being a 15 year old with a gender identity or being a 30 year old rudefem who bullies the 15 year old on tumblr lmao
easily the second one op, just think, which person should have more common sense? and which person does things with immediate and intentional negative consequences to others? those would both be the 30yr old
That's OP's point
I dont have a dick but ok. Continue to think fatties are oppressed when they could just quit eating so much
I find you so repulsive. This is great logic - "fatphobia is ok because they can just not be fat!"
So it's ok to treat people horribly for having a harmless trait, as long as it would hypothetically be possible for them to obey your demands and escape the mistreatment, even if it would be grueling and difficult and likely damage their health and other aspects of their lives?
I guess classism isn't real either because poor people should just work harder and achieve higher status. If sex-change surgery ever becomes advanced enough, even misogyny will no longer be real because we can just stop being women if we put in the effort.
Plenty of women do cave to fatphobia and just stop eating. 15-20% of them never recover and die of it. Probably the majority just live their lives obsessively anxiously monitoring their bodies and calorie intake and not enjoying food, or believing they're inadequate and less worthy of humanity and respect because they need to lose weight first. Fatphobia has been a very effective patriarchal tool.
It harms all women, but fat women & girls especially are awesome and deserve much better
so much to unpack here
even if this hypothetical male doesnāt notice the flesh-wound-like appearance of the TIMs neovagina and immediately clock him then, thereās all kinds of risks associated with putting your penis into a bacteria infested, hair and smegma filled hole.
not to mention, if you KNOW telling your partner something about your body will make them revoke their consent, thatās rape š by š deception š
Fact: refusing to inform your partner of a known deal breaker (STD status, sex), in order to elicit consent, is legally defined as āRape by Deceptionā, and it is in fact a felony.
So this man is either a rapist or a would-be rapist, and is encouraging other men to do the same.
Filth.
yall are so disgusting and nothing he said in that video was wrong or immoral. if someone doesnt want to sleep with a passing trans person it's their job to not do that, which would involve asking for that info before having sex. this is pure transphobia and insulting af to rape victims
So wait, you donāt have to tell them but if they ask itās transphobic. So you advocate rape AND victim shaming. Got it.
if they ask....it's transphobic.....?? how???
"declare trans people to be rapists by default every time someone has consensual sex with them, otherwise you advocate for rape and victim shaming! im very smart and in touch with reality :) not motivated by hatred at all :)" - you
Look Iām quoting yall. Iāve been threatened with assault for asking before. So what EXACTLY are we supposed to do when we canāt ask but you wonāt say. And saying no to sex at all is transphobic too. The entire thing is rigged to force people to fuck trans people and keep their mouths shut. Itās rape. Iām sorry you think forcing some one to fuck you with threats of violence and social banishment is consent.
"What are we supposed to do when we can't ask" When you can't ask?
So you want my advice for what to do when you are attracted to someone, but you fear you'll be threatened or assaulted if you ask for the info you deem necessary in order to decide if you want to sleep with them?
And your current solution is just sleep with them, hope they aren't trans, and then label them a rapist later if they are?
This all seems so absurd I just want to clarify that that's actually what you're saying??
Also your last reply kind of spirals toward the end, and it seems like you're angry at me for things you made up. Maybe someone else has told you that "forcing someone to fuck you with threats of violence and social banishment is consent," but idk why you're pretending I ever said anything even remotely similar.
Edit: So I think you're trying to bring up how TRAs demonize women for not wanting to sleep with trans people, and that makes it feel unsafe to admit to potential partners that their biological sex is a dealbreaker for you. This is misogynistic and awful and one of the many reasons I left genderist circles. It puts you in a difficult position if you want to sleep with new people, don't want to sleep with trans people, and might be harassed for being open about that.
But however fucked up that culture is, it still doesn't mean that if you decide to sleep with someone without obtaining that info, then that person becomes a rapist.
men pretending women with mental illness are taken seriously while men aren't have the biggest mra victims complexes I have ever seen in my life
when a trans woman says they hate drag theyāre probably not talking about the history of it as an opportunity for trans women, especially twoc, to publicly celebrate their femininity. theyāre talking about white cis misogynist men wearing us like a halloween costume and spitting on our heritage and getting praised by cis liberals for being āprogressiveā
^^^^^^^^
A man in feminie clothing and acknowledging hes a man will always be more revolutionary than a man that believes femininity makes him a woman.
A word from Marsha P johnson himself
I canāt believe op managed to twist around the fact that itās men mocking and parading around as us to men mocking and parading aroundā¦ as other men. The stretchā¦
āwearing us like a Halloween costumeā
do these people just forget that women actually exist
remember that trans woman who made that post the other day demanding that women stop referring to ourselves as āwomenā? trans women think they are women, and that weāre just a subset of women.
