I remember you had said you liked the iwtv show, have you seen the vampire Lestat season yet? What did you think of it?
P.s: i literally cant wait to see your adaptation of Carrie, super excited!
I think it's exceptional. Rolin Jones is a goddamned genius. Sam Reid - OMG, Sam Reid... the cast is superb. Jacob Anderson, Assad Zaman, and that astonishing work from Delainey Hayles... it's absolutely brilliant. One of the best things on TV by a mile. Cannot wait for Queen of the Damned.
Rolin saying "playing the victim card" about an actual victim who has never seen himself as victim on top of that. It's getting really weird how Rolin talks about Louis' abuse.
I mean, I would argue that Louis HAS seen himself as the victim/wronged (hence the whole punishibg-Lestat-with-Armand-actions for example), but Rolinâs words are stillâŠ. what can I say.
âNot helpingâ is definitely too kind.
The Vampire Lestat cast and creator Rolin Jones unpack that finale, from Lestat and Paul's reunion to that Queen of the Damned tease.
The thing is, itâs not just about âlying twiceâ????
Because this is a gross misreading of Armand's character, Armand, who had a pretty good read on Louis in his own book, which shaped their later interactions.
Yes, Armand went and complained to Lestat about Louis, granted. But he also knew better than to demand an actually apology, because he knew what he did there.
Rolin Jones putting this up as a defense as to what Armand probably thought for the scene they wrote does not make it better, imho.
If anything, they should have kept the response then, namely Lestat laughing in his face and telling him to kill himself in the books - meaning in this re-applied context Louis should have told Armand to fuck off.
Because that "lie" was that Lestat (and the coven) was responsible for Claudia's death - and NOT Armand. THAT was that lie.
To reduce this to the "lie" in and by itself only, to say that Armand sees he deserves an apology for a relationship that was living hell for them both and in which Armand tried to break Louis' mind again and again because he "lied twice"???
I still do not have words for "Louis playing the victim card" in (supposedly) Armand's mind.
Because yes, Armand in the book did have a pretty good read of Louis about it all.
But Armand and Louis in the show actually had a different during-and-post-Paris setup to their relationship than their book counterparts did.
Not only that, but their post-Paris time lasted longer, came about under different reasons than it did in the book, and Armand's role in the trial apparently went differently as well, with him actually planning on killing Louis along with Claudia.
In the book, Armand was always planning to save Louis and kill Claudia. In the book is was Armand who saved Louis, not Lestat.
The minute the show changed that, as well as changed it to Armand planning to have Louis die along with Claudia, is the moment they changed Armand and Louis' post-Paris dynamic and how Armand saw Louis after it.
Which, honestly, is something I kept trying to warn about if the show really was going to do this and have Armand really planning to have Louis die during the trial and not planning to save him in any way.
Because that would mean Armand spent decades with someone he never loved enough to want to protect in any way, which was always a key thing regarding Armand in the book. Which is, if he loves you, you are relatively safe from him.
Well, Armand in the show clearly never loved Louis enough for that. He was going to kill him.
And that created a ripple effect of what and how Armand viewed and saw Louis post-Paris. Along with Louis choosing to be with him over Lestat in the tower scene.
Because, in Armand's eyes, it all just looked to him like "Well, I was going to kill Louis, but Lestat saved him, and he's still here. And he's choosing to be with me over Lestat. Okay, I can put the conflicting feelings I had to the side and love him and be with him."
Especially if it really does turn out that the coven was twisting Armand's arm about the whole thing!? Like, that is a massive change that was, of course, going to have a ripple effect that bled into Louis and Armand's relationship post-Paris and Armand's outlook towards Louis!
Because again, in the book, Armand orchestrated the whole thing, including the saving of Louis. Lestat had nothing to do with it, meaning there was never some secret Armand in the book was holding back about how and why Louis was saved, nor about his full role in the trial and how he saved Louis from death. It was all openly known between both Louis and himself.
None of that was going on here between them in the show.
Changing Armand's role in the trial like this pretty much changed how Armand viewed Louis post-Paris.
Not to even mention the fact that Armand, in the show, is very much committed to the Great Laws, whereas in the book, he very much was not.
And also, another big change was to have Louis openly choose to be with Armand and say so to Lestat, in the tower scene, which also appears to have happened. And which now seems to have taken the place of the New Orleans scene when Armand went to Lestat complaining about Louis leaving him.
Only, you know, now being the opposite thing. With Louis choosing to be with Armand (over Lestat) instead of about to leave Armand.
(And boy, does Rolin Jones love starting things in an opposite place from what people expect.)
So yeah, with all of that being different regarding Armand's character on the show, which led to how differently things apparently went down on Armand's end regarding the trial in the books vs how it went down in the show? And how different the aftermath of it all was, with Louis openly choosing to go with Armand and telling Lestat so to his face, with Armand right there?
Then yes, this all makes 100% sense to me about this being how Armand viewed his relationship with Louis and it being his mindset and motivations regarding everything.
It is basically a ripple effect stemming from having Armand actually hold up and defend the Great Laws, instead of not really caring about them and only using them conveniently in the book to get rid of Claudia ... and Claudia alone.
And Assad's view of it 100% matches my own and what I said just a day or so ago of seeing that scene as Armand wanting Louis to confess to his side of the toxicity between them and not really wanting an apology about it.
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So yeah. I always said that having Armand wanting to kill Louis during the trial would always be a significant change to Armand's character if that is really how it went down, and, well, it was.
And it also went along with changing him to actually hold to the Five Great Laws.
So you do all of that to Armand's character in the show, plus have Louis openly choosing to be with Armand over Lestat in that tower scene, which also seems to have taken place?
Well then, you have basically completely changed Armand and Louis' post-Paris dynamic and Armand's outlook about his relationship with Louis during that time, vs his book counterpart's view. It was absolutely unavoidable that it would be changed when doing it all this way.
Was Armand owed any sort of apology from Louis about it all? Hell. No. Because Armand did try to kill him during the trial and did kill Claudia.
But Armand thinking that Louis would "play the victim" and not confess to his own side in their toxic relationship unless he tortured a confession out of him? I think it's 100% something Armand would think about it all, given everything that has played out differently between them vs the book, starting with Paris and afterwards.
And which comes from the changes made to Armand's character about the things I noted, particually that he really was going to kill Louis during the trial and that Louis picked him over Lestat in the tower scene.
Rolin saying "playing the victim card" about an actual victim who has never seen himself as victim on top of that. It's getting really weird how Rolin talks about Louis' abuse.
I mean, I would argue that Louis HAS seen himself as the victim/wronged (hence the whole punishibg-Lestat-with-Armand-actions for example), but Rolinâs words are stillâŠ. what can I say.
âNot helpingâ is definitely too kind.
The Vampire Lestat cast and creator Rolin Jones unpack that finale, from Lestat and Paul's reunion to that Queen of the Damned tease.
The thing is, itâs not just about âlying twiceâ????
God, just give Assad the reins and let him write and direct a tva adaptation. He GETS it. I would listen to him talk about Armand for hours. I don't trust anyone else with tva. Keep Hannah M. away from it!
I love how Assad, Louis and Sam understand the loumand dynamic even if they are not given the whole explanation. HM said in a recent interview that TVA is the book she is the most fond of so I think she is not going anywhere for TVA adaptation, whatever it might turn out to be. I really love how Assad understands Armand's backstory and how it affects his relationship with Louis and I think that understanding goes hand in hand with Hannah's.
I do hope she gets a lot of questions at SDCC and that she answers them all!
Ppl struggling to grasp the meaning behind the butchers shop forced apology stems from the fact that many of you took the loumand d/s dynamic in S2 for granted. Disliking the loumand/marimand parallels or the fact that they are giving lesmand bits to loumand is one thing but don't pretend this is a S3 bad writing issue when it has been established at least since S2.
If you assume the bench scene in S2 was some resolved healthy cute d/s roleplay and refuse to acknowledge Marius in the loumand dynamic, don't act surprised when loumand doesn't reach a fully satisfactory arc until Armand being trafficked as a child and Marius saving him from it is fully adressed. That's what the butchers shop scene was about.
Jamssad agreeing that the "A" that Armand carves on Louis's chest is a nod to loumand BDSM relationship and other BDSM relationships from Armand's past
âarmand was so in characterâ âyou just donât get armandâ âbiblically accurate armandâ when all the actors literally said they donât understand it eitherâŠ
Why don't you post the whole interview excerpt where they kind of agree that it might be a nod to Loumand bdsm relationship (and probably another bdsm relationship from Armand's past)?
Sam Reid, Jacob Anderson, and Assad Zaman on the season finale: âThereâs a lot left to unpack and revisit.â
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