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the other problem with lestat's hateful backlash to louis in tvl and the lack of any kind of proper contrition arc for what he's done to louis and claudia is that even if the show does have him regretting what he's done and apologizing to louis again in s4 or later, after s3 it's just gonna feel like another phase in the cycle of abuse- "lestat the vulnerable becomes lestat the irritable becomes lestat the controlling". lestat was seemingly contrite in s2ep7 when he apologized to louis for dropping him, lestat was seemingly torn up in s2ep8 when he expressed heartbreak at louis hurting himself, but all of those moments are rendered meaningless (or at least only reflecting a kind of fleeting self-pity more than any real change or confrontation with his actions) since we've seen in tvl that lestat is perfectly willing to embark on a planned, multi-month darvo tour where he insults louis repeatedly and makes fun of his suicide attempt in his lyrics (bye any ounce of sincerity in the reunion scene) and bitterly nitpicks minutiae like his hair length while refusing to accept what he's done to his family...and then he and louis are on good terms again without any substantial change or growth on lestat's part. and no "he didn't really mean it, he was just lashing out bc he felt hurt and thought louis didn't love him" doesn't rationalize a multi-month darvo tour when "he felt slighted and was acting emotionally" is the crux of so many abusers' behavior. even if lestat was acting impulsively, that's not an excuse, but writing music, organizing a tour and performing those songs where he mocks his own abuse victim for speaking out requires a kind of planning and intent that makes it clear he wasn't being impulsive. it's a calculated move when you're doing it for that long and that consistently. if there had been some real emotional payoff in s3ep7 i could've said the execution was off but i could respect their commitment to exploring the psychology of an abuser in denial, but there's no payoff- it's clear they thought lestat's behavior on tour was just lestat being bitter and zany and cunty and didn't intend or expect the audience to see any weight behind it.
and with these same anti-survivor writers at the helm, even if they did attempt to show lestat apologizing to louis in s4 or beyond, the audience will have no reason to believe or trust that this apology is more sincere or reflects a more permanent change than the apology in s1ep6 or s2ep7 or his tears for claudia in s2ep8 given all of that fell by the wayside as soon as lestat felt "wronged". (and no, he wasn't wronged by louis when it came to the book, as louis isn't responsible for something that was published against his consent and it's not wrong for abuse survivors to talk about their experiences in a biography. the idea that the book is something louis had to apologize for or that the book justifies lestat mocking his own victims publicly, for months- they can't "oh lestat is a creature of impulse" their way outta that one- in itself exposes a kind of anti-survivor thinking, and we have no reason to believe this team of writers, with their unserious attempts at "comic relief" about incestuous abuse, complete disregard for louis and claudia as victims and voyeuristic, gratuitous framing of racialized black suffering think otherwise.)
claudia (back when there were some black writers with input on her writing and back when she could express herself in her own voice- not the way they depicted her in s3 as a mouthpiece for ooc antiblackness filtered exclusively though her white father's pov and written by nonblack writers) was 100% right and remains validated 80 years after her murder. the unintentional message of s3 is that louis and lestat haven't changed and lestat will always be a mercurial abuser who swings between hurting louis and performative self-serving apologies that lead to no real change, and louis will always take him back despite his cruelty. except even in s1-s2 when lestat was fully a narrative antagonist i believed he loved louis, that we were seeing the nuanced portrait of how love and abuse can exist within the same relationships and love doesn't "cancel out" abuse, but now lestat's love feels like an informed attribute that they have to bring a hallucination of paul onscreen to tell us about since it sure as hell isn't demonstrated in lestat's behavior for the vast majority of s3- the way lestat acts in the front half of the season, followed by complete lack of contrition for either what he did in nola/paris or what he did on tour, makes their reunion feel unearned, rushed and insincere. and beyond the antiblackness and anti-survivor rhetoric, the writers have just gotten lazy- loustat is scripted this season as if the writers thought could take for granted that the entire audience is already invested in them, that everyone already wants them back together, and they don't need to put in the work to get viewers onboard with their relationship and get people invested again. and to be fair, this isn't a problem unique to loustat this season- all romantic relationships in tvl get the "tell, not show" treatment and all their important development beats take place offscreen, which makes me think the s1-s2 writers they fired were pulling the weight of most of the romance writing (just like the black writers they fired were clearly pulling the weight of louis and claudia being framed with any compassion whatsoever).
the only thing remotely compelling thing left about loustat's romance is sam and jacob's chemistry, and it's telling that all moments of genuine intimacy and desire between them this season were unscripted and added by the actors (the comforting hug on the sidewalk, louis savoring lestat's blood in the beer etc). the problem isn't that loustat is a bad or "toxic" romance, the problem is that loustat is a badly-written and unearned romance. and as of the end of tvl the actors are its only saving grace.
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the thought i keep coming back to with the finale, and this season in general, is a sense of… infestation, i guess is the best way to describe it. because for the first two seasons, iwtv was a work that— even with all its gothic/horror themes— seemed deeply compassionate at its core, and it remained devoted to beauty and love in a way that felt like a reprieve from (even a small rebellion against) the rising fascism of the culture surrounding it. and now it feels like the hatefulness it was pushing back against has infested it somehow, like a swarm of fuckin termites, which has not only ruined this season but also calls into question the structural soundness of what came before it. like, how did we even get here? was this sort of mean-spirited derision always just lying in wait? idk. i don’t want to make a bad season of tv deeper than it is, but it does feel like witnessing another loss in the cultural battle when a careful, compassionate work that ostensibly cared about the marginalised experiences it depicted becomes just another conduit for hatred toward vulnerable groups. what a fucking bummer, man
This was genuinely a good episode, maybe not everything answered and attoned for in great detail but this was never the purpose of the show ever. It had a beautiful emotional focal point, and louis wasn’t brutalized for shock sake. He needed to say his piece and grow from it too. He will never forget being a pimp and hating it, that’s literally what made him a good character. I understand not liking this season but I suggest some of you to callm down with treating everything happens at louis as a punishment (for? Jacob?? For other black people?) It really didn’t feel like it, and I’m a big louis fan. It wouldn’t have the same emotional weight and it would be out of character for louis to just pour his heart out to armand in a regular convo. He doesn’t care about him that way anymore, in his fucked up way armand freed him from his silent atonement as well. Louis get to speak about his guilt but he also didnt do it without a fight. (Again guilt doesn’t means armand was an angel in that relationship. He literally doesn’t act like one. He is awful and isn’t even trying to hide it anymore.) I never understood why you guys wanted apology from armand, does his other apologies felt sincere? No, at least this actually was an emotional moment between them. It was horror show but horror won’t feel real without deep sadness. Idk, reading all this stuff before watching the episode as a person who is really sensitive when it comes to louis, I think some of you guys are too deep in fandom to look at the show as it is. (And the character as it is) At some point you are just mad at the fandom for making a hostile place to discuss a show once you liked. I really think if some of you weren’t this deep in fandom grievances you would have better time watching the show. Or leave if it bored you at some point. This isn’t against critique but what I’ve been reading here feel more like a stubborn resentment toward everything, if you look for clues everywhere that a person you are parasocialy attached to is being wronged you will find more and more. It’s a futile attempt remove a one character you loved from the shows context and claim that it you only know and love for real. He doesn’t exist outside all this. This is the same shit that happens at every type of fandom. At the end of the day it’s certainly not healthy for you? You are looking at things to be mad about while connecting everything. It paints an insecure frantic picture, there is no way this much involvement in fandom won’t affect your analysis
I have posted so many insightful and valuable posts regarding the antiblackness depicted in this show. Read the post I pinned to my page regarding the (non-comprehensive) white supremacist rhetoric that this show has depicted. Look up resources regarding antiblackness in media. Follow @creatingblackcharacters. Please do that instead of telling me we are all wrong just because you can find a way to justify what they are depicting to yourself. Understand that this work exists outside of your desire for entertainment.
i hope you don't mind my adding to your reply here but i'm always fascinated by people who condescendingly (bc anon's ask is condescending) frame themselves as calling out bias or unhealthy fandom engagement when the way they present their argument completely exposes their own distorted pov and lack of good faith engagement with the person they claim to be critiquing. anon tone-polices (telling predominantly black fans to "callm (sic) down" and dismissing discussions of racism as "too deep into fandom grievances" "you are looking for things to be mad about" calling it "futile" to separate affection for individual black characters from the racist turn of the show itself- all of these comments are microaggressive) asserts their own interpretation without narratively backing their argument ("it had a beautiful emotional focal point" "it really didnt feel like it") not realizing that the same systemic antiblack biases we're critiquing in the nonblack writers room likely have a hand in anon not seeing the scene of louis' torture as not a big deal or a point for louis' growth. and the point about louis' growth is victim-blaming him by framing this brutal act of racialized violence as if it was something that was good for him and was freeing for him ("in his own fucked up way armand freed him from his silent atonement as well" "louis got to speak about his guilt"- oh louis got to did he. how generous of armand to give him that opportunity) when the violence we see onscreen and the visual language of the scene is tapped into the specific violent acts inflicted on enslaved black people, and the point is louis' confinement and helplessness rather than his freedom (he literally can't move, his head is on a spike).
all this paints a picture of anon as not really engaging with tiredopinions' posts at all and not understanding the particular critique of this scene and the general critique of antiblackness as a problem on this show, in the entertainment industry, in fandom spaces and, well, society in general. it's a systemic problem that pervades every space. and the specific issues with this scene are-
louis' exploitation of mainly working class black women in nola is different from armand beint trafficked as a south asian boy and later exploited by marius over 300 years before louis was born- remember armand is also an enactor of exploitative violence against black women, wrt claudia and regina- so making armand the character louis confronts this part of himself with doesn't make narrative sense. if the show wanted to depict louis having a real harrowing confrontation about this where pain turns to liberation and catharsis, the opportunity with claudia's ghost was right there where instead of volleying ooc antiblack vitriol at louis claudia could've taken him to task for tryna make her the objectified symbol of his redemption when saving one black girl from the fire doesn't make up for the exploitation of dozens of other mostly-black women.
armand didn't "need" to apologize or atone for what he did to louis, esp since considering his smugness about what a hit baby lulu was in s2 and how he only seemed to feel remorse about getting caught, not what he did to louis, framing him as being sincerely apologetic only 3 years later could've come off premature and rushed. we know none of these characters are going to therapy, they don't need to have respectful heart-to-hearts at group sharing sessions where they take turns holding the feelings stick and come out the other end as better people. the problem is the dissonance of the show doubling down on armand's violent antiblackness in an even more intimate and visceral way than his hands-off director role in the trial and tryna make the same scene where he's torturing louis a moment of real connection and understanding between them where armand is supposed to be viewed sympathetically (the showrunner has admitted as much, that he feels more for armand here than he does louis and it's meant to be armand being truly understood) by the audience and by the black man he tried lynched once already, abused for decades and is now racially tormenting again. you can have "deep sadness" in the horror for what louis is going through again, but the very expectations that viewers should hold sympathy for the lynching director in the middle of doing another lynching to the sole surviving victim of the 1st lynching, that an all-nonblack writers team wrote this scene of explicit racialized torture of a black man with that intent, shows the antiblackness that pervades that writers room.
and it's true that this isn't healthy for us or any other black fan who cares about racism- it's not healthy to be black and move through life experiencing antiblackness every day and be faced with it again in allegedly "escapist" fandom spaces and allegedly "escapist" genre media, and then to have other fans respond to discussions of racism as a pervasive material reality by trying to gaslight us, berate us, harass us and use all manner of tactics to get the uppity black fans talking about racism too much (translation- at all) to shut up and let them have their "escapist" fantasy where blackness doesn't matter and violence against black people doesn't matter and the only black people they acknowledge are people who already agree with them and affirm their worldview. "at some point you are just mad at the fandom for making a hostile space to discuss the show you once liked"- why would this be a bad thing if mostly black fans are mad at fandom for being hostile to discussions of race?? why use "just" in this sentence as if being upset at fandom trying to shut down discussions of antiblackness isn't reason enough to make critical posts??
"this isn't against critique"- but it plainly is, or else anon wouldn't have sent an ask framing tiredopinions' engagement and critique of the show as irrational "stubborn resentment" and making something out of nothing. and anon seems completely oblivious to the fact that they're contributing to this hostile and racist fandom environment by sending messages like this to bloggers who are criticizing the flaws of a show in their own space and commiserating with like-minded fans about their critiques and frustrations.
with few exceptions we have only seen black characters graphically get brutalized. they had closeups of louis’s body and face after lestat tried to murder him showing the extent of what was done, we saw just how burned and disfigured he was after her suicide attempt, claudia’s death is one of the most graphic i’ve seen on any tv show, we got closeups of their ankles slashed and shots of louis being kicked in the head and claudia being shoved into a box of live rats by the coven members. the majority of louis’s scenes in episode 7 were of his decapitated head on a pike, forced to look at his body as it flailed, begging to die, forced to apologize in something so close to a saw trap that it was bordering on copyright infringement while being painted as cruel and deserving of the abuse and then branded by armand.
we didn’t see any shots of lestat’s head in the bowling bag. we saw him burn, but it was portrayed as comical. we did not see bruce as he died, we did not see lestat get torn up by the wolves, we did not watch nicki die. in the majority of the scenes where a white character is injured, the action is cut away, out of frame, out of focus, mostly implied.
the extent of what we saw of the brutality of black characters now feels almost fetishistic. at the end of episode 105, lestat is floating in the air looking dreamy and louis is beaten to a pulp on the ground; episode 207, lestat is put together in a suit with his hair done and louis and claudia have been severely beaten. like, after this season, the rest of the show just looks weird.
#secretgood8thepisode tag doesn't even make sense now, there's no way this team could make a good episode.
oh no, people are genuinely making secret 8th episode theories now because "i've been a monster, this is my reckoning" line wasn't in the show. stop sounding so convincing
i'll do you one worse- the tone sam uses to deliver that "i've been a monster, this is my reckoning" line in the official trailer is v similar to the tone he uses in s3ep6 when he's breaking down on the sidewalk and talks about his own fracturing. so what if the original context of that line isn't lestat reckoning with the horror of his actions toward louis and claudia but lestat talking about the revenge porn released of his mom sa'ing him as if it's consequences for his own behavior
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crossposting this here- life got in the way for both @reticentvampyr and me so we had to delay our plans for this but it'd still be a cool idea to do a louis and claudia/jacob and delainey appreciation week to fundraise for a charity supporting black dv survivors. channel this energy into some material good yk
also we should absolutely question the show's choice to remove gabrielle, magnus and marius' overt antiblackness from the tvl book when the writers got armand out here acting like he's auditioning for kkk grand wizard. clearly the show isn't shying away from depicting antiblack violence considering the treatment of black characters in the past two episodes, so the refusal to depict gabriella, marius and magnus as the white supremacists they were in the source material, is a blatant tell- the writers are protective of their white characters, even the antagonists, and don't want them to seem "too" evil (which tracks for white and nonblack liberals acting like being called racist is worse than being racist.) and this clearly isn't a concern they have when it comes to the characters of color- armand has for 2 seasons now enacted forms of explicit violence inflicted on enslaved black people- louis and claudia's cut ankle tendons, the entire public humiliation of the trial, claudia's burning, louis' head on a spike, coercing him into a performance of self-debasement and contrition and branding his body- and claudia calls her black father a slave in a bioessentialist, derogatory context and expresses a level of internalized antiblackness she was never even hinted at feeling when she was alive. in both scenes, the narrative is much harsher on louis than on lestat and the nonblack writers go into extreme detail in their antiblack dialogue and racialized, borderline pornographic depiction of louis' torture. but gabriella is portrayed shallowly complimenting louis' beauty when realistically she would be calling him slurs when talking about him to lestat, magnus' "master race" aspirations and fixation on white supremacist beauty standards for how he chose his victim pool and "heir" aren't addressed, and marius' racial politics ("rotten boy", the whitewashed portrait of armand- we know he's racist, the show just hasn't acknowledged it and intentionally excluded the parts of tvl where he expresses that racism when talking to lestat) remain an elephant in the room. and ofc the way the writers are tryna be like "see lestat isn't racist, black people love him" in-universe through characters like merrick and paul (lol. lmao even) and tryna overwrite or dance around every textual example of lestat's antiblackness is so transparent in its clumsiness.
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people focusing on the writers feeding them with “transfem lestat” while ignoring the vehement antiblackness they're putting the black gay man through kinda perfectly encapsulates the priorities of white queer fandom
also this is a secondary concern compared to the pervasive and gleeful antiblackness on the show, but lestat's line in s3ep7 that feeds into transfem readings feels like another example of this season going for "tell, don't show" and expecting fanon and fannish interpretation to carry the weight of what they aren't depicting onscreen. the s1ep7 marie antoinette drag scene is one of my fave in the whole show- and i mentioned before s3 aired that after rolin cited rocky horror and hedwig and the angry inch as s3 influences back in 2024, the lack of rockstat drag onstage felt like a glaring omission and was possibly tied to amc's corporate queerphobia given the obvious double standards in how they depict m/m and f/f v m/f intimacy. if the show wanted to make the idea of lestat being genderqueer or some form of transfeminine firmly canon, we could've seen a whole arc play out in s3 especially with gabriella coming back into lestat's life. imagine if drag was a consistent part of rockstat's look and stage performance, and esp around gabriella he insisted it was all for show, meaningless, he was just clowning, and as her control over lestat's music career and lestat himself increased we saw her steering him toward more conventionally cismasc presentation...and then we got hit with the quiet honesty of the line where lestat admits he does wish he was a woman sometimes as a resolution to a season-wide narrative that's primed for further exploration in s4. (this would also be in the hypothetically well-written s3 where lestat faces what he did to louis and claudia more firmly too, instead of 6-7 eps of wheel-spinning and darvo, and safe to say he would not be saying this to the apparition of louis' brother come to comfort him while louis is being tortured). they could've pulled on late 18th century ideas of gender that would've been formative to lestat (male performers performed fem roles then too- show him playing a woman when he was human and having a euphoric experience, show him interested as a child in the markers of femininity and womanhood that gabriella possesses and she rejects etc) being gnc/genderqueer/nonbinary/transfem/gnc (whatever your interpretation of lestat is) in 18th century france and then the early 20th century new orleans and then north america in 2025 are extremely different- your lead is an immortal vampire who's lived through all those eras, explore that.
but instead of doing any of that, instead of engaging with lestat's gender in any kind of arc, the show adds a throwaway line (in a season of throwaway lines) that can be interpreted depending on viewer bias as 1) lestat genuinely expressing some yearning for womanhood and being trans canonically or 2) still-cis lestat just saying he wishes he and louis had a heterosexual relationship to begin with bc it would've made their lives easier- like even though their relationship would've still been illegal if they were a m/f couple, they at least would've had paul and maybe the rest of the de pointe du lacs' acceptance- and plenty of casual viewers are gonna walk away with the 2nd impression. (and speaking of the de pointe du lacs, louis mentioning he was molested is another one of the throwaway lines with paradigm-shifting impact that the show doesn't care to explore in any depth- why bother developing things onscreen when fans will do the work for them and praise the writers as genius for hinting at depth instead of portraying depth onscreen??)
so many choices this season feel like the writers checking off boxes to confirm fan theories bc they seem cynically aware that a lot of people are watching the show less out of care for good storytelling but more to "win" whatever stan or ship war they're personally invested in. they're lines and moments meant to be screenshotted and shared on socmed for the fandom to talk about, pithy quips that can fit into 1-2 screenshots in subtitles and reposted with more pithy quips. the show doesn't care to explore lestat's gender in any deeper form but it does want fans losing their minds over some form of trans lestat being confirmed (with plausible deniability bc amc is the queerphobia network now)- the show doesn't care to explore devil's minion in any deeper form or show how armand and daniel started plotting together but it does want fans losing their minds over past devil's minion being confirmed, etc.
and this is only if you try looking at the arc (and lack thereof) of lestat's relationship to gender in isolation- when you put it back in the wider context of this episode and this season's antiblackness and the nonblack writers' choice to have paul's spirit (even if he isn't meant to be "real" or at least not represent paul's real thoughts) praise and comfort lestat while louis gets graphically tortured by his lynching director in the same episode. (and the white showrunner has already admitted he felt more for armand than louis in that scene and claimed the "apology" louis was coerced into via torture to be some kinda real moment of understanding, rather than louis doing what we saw him do in s2 and try to appease armand when he's helpless and armand holds his life in his hands.) like with the merrick scene in s3ep6, it doesn't matter what in-universe rationale for these choices are, it doesn't matter whether any of this gets revisited or recontextualized with "oh ghost claudia was lying just to hurt louis' "oh paul's spirit wasn't even real" "oh we were totally tryna critique armand's violent antiblackness" bc the problem here comes down to the nonblack writers' decisions and the choices they made in the real world when crafting this story. this show has had a persistent problem since s1 of depicting the onscreen brutalization of black bodies with far more vividness than it does nonblack bodies, and if a nonblack main character is doing the brutalization (lestat, armand) you aren't supposed to hold it against them or expect these choices to have longterm narrative consequences- the camera lingers on claudia and charlie's charred and "melting" faces as they burn but when daciana, nicki, magnus, bruce, antoinette or madeleine are burning, the camera's far quicker to cut away. and this is a deliberate choice- they weren't just pointing the camera at people spontaneously combusting, they had to allocate an effects budget and invest time and energy into showing black bodies burning with graphic detail. they had both delainey and roxane in the vfx makeup chair for their characters' murder scene, but only claudia's death was shown vividly while madeleine burning was a few brief seconds of ash scattering away.
and i simply can't enjoy any form of this "jangling keys in front of the fandom to validate popular interpretations/ships/theories" writing bc it's such a cynical bid from writers who want and expect their viewers to be satisfied with crumbs that we build elaborate headcanons around instead of expecting any form of depthful storytelling or care from them, especially when it comes to their black characters. fans being content with the show just going down a checklist to validate or debunk specific theories and fans not demanding anything more of the writers than perfunctory expository dialogue is exactly what this writing team is counting on.
also theo is right bc if your only reaction to people criticizing the nonblack writers' choices is to be like "neener neener femstat canon" (black folks critiquing the antiblackness and sharing their reactions to the show depicting this level of gratuitous racialized violence toward black bodies have already received comments along those lines) when that has nothing to do with the antiblackness being discussed here, that's ghoulish. like read the room
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