My nameâs Wynn, 21+ years old, polyamorous demiromantic bisexual, bigender (she/him), autistic, with ADHD.
I have a lot of different interests and I fluctuate between them rather frequently, not just Wings of Fire.
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So, I got low-key inspired by @littlehungrywarriorcats and her cat genetics videos, so I did the ClanGen challenge and decided to basically make adoptables using it. I've basically got two major families out of this, so some additional information below in-case you're curious. Forgive the intentionally poor quality of the images, I'll be giving the actual to scale high-quality renders to the buyer of this family tree. I'll have to make an actual commission sheet for my going rates or something, but I will say that this is about $2 per cat, which makes this $40 USD in total. You can pay through my Ko-Fi once I confirm the sale. I will not be taking commissions for making family trees of your already existing characters since Murphy's doing that and I don't wanna encroach on his business, so instead I'll just be occasionally making adoptable family trees using the generator.
Quick side-note: I had to do a significant amount of googling to figure out what 'pseudo-tabby' means. Since ginger is epistatic to solid (non-tabby), ginger cats will always look like tabbies even if they're genetically solid. So, a pseudo-tabby is a cat that looks like a tabby but is genetically not one. Also, I've been googling what 'sparse-haired/sparse-furred' means and all I can parse are like...rex cats and...Lykoi cats, which...no. I'm not doing that. They suffer from horrible skin issues and welts that are painful and show up when they're 3-5 years old and stays with them for life and the gene is pleotropic, so you cannot breed the skin problems out of the gene since the gene that causes the coat type also causes the skin problems. I've been doing this...for way too long. And the only way sparse hair has been described has been Lykoi and...again, no. So, I'm choosing to ignore it entirely and any 'sparse-haired' cats will just be treated as short haired. Cool? Cool.
I've left the other blanks in the family tree mostly blank, however I have their genomes filled in as necessary and some basic backstory stuff if anyone's interested. I also generated some kits since the website doesn't generate any. More under the cut (bolded letters are the genes that got passed down, blue is what was inherited from the dad and pink is what was inherited from the mom):
First tree:
Foxpelt:
?/? - The black base colour is invisible
O/O - Ginger and not a tortoiseshell
a/a - Since she's a "pseudo-tabby," she is genetically non-agouti (non-tabby) but still has stripes since ginger is epistatic to solid
Mc/? - Dominant mackerel
D/? - Dominant non-dilute
W/W - No white
L/? - Dominant shorthair
Rowanstar's Father: Foxpelt's dearly departed mate was a rogue who joined the clan
?/? - Rowanstar could have gotten black from either parent, but it has to have come from someone since it's dominant
o/Y - Rowanstar is a tortoiseshell and her father can only have one X to pass, so he can't be ginger
A/? - He has to pass a dominant A to Rowanstar in order for her to be a proper tabby, but it doesn't matter if he's homozygous or heterozygous on this locus and Foxpelt can only pass recessive a
?/mc - Foxpelt is already giving Rowanstar a dominant Mc, so he needs to carry a recessive mc to pass to Rowanstar so she can pass it to Fireheart but the hetero/homozygosity doesn't matter
?/? - Foxpelt is already giving Rowanstar a dominant D
W/? - He must have a W to pass in order for Rowanstar to not have white, however it doesn't matter if he's homo or heterozygous
?/? - Foxpelt is already giving Rowanstar a dominant L
Rowanstar:
B/? - Dominant black, but she can get it from either since Foxpelt is ginger but is also capable of passing B since ginger is epistatic
O/o - Tortoiseshell, since she gets an O from mom and an o from dad
A/a - Not a pseudo-tabby, so she has to get an A from her dad and gets an a from her mom since that's all she can pass
Mc/mc - Dominant mackerel w/ polygenetic gradient trait towards spots and carrying recessive classic to give to Fireheart which she would need to get from her dad since her mom's giving her an Mc for mackerel
D/? - Dominant non-dilute she got from Foxpelt
W/W - No white
L/? - Dominant shorthair she got from Foxpelt
Fireheart's Father: Rowanstar's mate was a loner who had passed away when he helped her in a battle and gave his life to protect her despite not belonging to the clan
?/? - Fireheart's ginger, so his black locus is invisible
?/Y - Mom already gave Fireheart an O to make him ginger so all his dad can give is a Y
?/a - Rowanstar only has one a to pass so Fireheart has to get one from dad
?/mc - Rowanstar is already giving Fireheart a recessive mc, so his dad has to as well but it doesn't matter if he's hetero or homozygous on this locus
?/? - Fireheart is already getting a dominant D from his mom
W/? - Rowanstar can only give Fireheart Ws so he has to get one from his dad regardless of zygosity
?/l - Rowanstar is giving Fireheart a dominant L, so his father has to pass a recessive l regardless of zygosity
Fireheart:
?/? - Since Fireheart's ginger, we can't see his black locus and since all of his kits are also ginger, we still can't tell
O/Y - Dominant ginger since his dad's already giving him a Y and his mom only needs to give him one O on the X to make him ginger
a/a - Since he's a "pseudo-tabby," he is genetically non-agouti but still has stripes since ginger is epistatic to solid
ta/ta - Fireheart is not ticked and his mate is, so he's homozygous ta out of formality
mc/mc - Classic stripes are recessive, so he needs to get one mc from both parents
D/? - Rowanstar gives Fireheart a dominant D
W/W - Rowanstar can only give him Ws and his father has to give him one, too
L/l - Rowanstar is giving Fireheart a dominant L and Fireheart can get an l from his father to pass onto Plumpaw
Burnetpaw, Plumpaw, and Skipperpaw's mother: Fireheart had a thing going with a kittypet and she had to give up her kits to him so that her housefolk wouldn't abandon her or give her away, breaking things off with him while giving him her kits to raise in the clan
?/? - All of their kids are ginger, so we have no idea what's going on on the black locus
O/? - Fireheart can pass an X with an O or a Y, but the mother doesn't have to be homozygous to pass an O
A/? - Fireheart is a pseudo-tabby, so he can only pass an a, so the mother has to pass on an A to the kits, but she doesn't have to be homozygous
Ta/ta - The mother has to be ticked to pass on a Ta to Plumpaw since it's dominant, but since her other kits are not ticked, she has to be heterozygous
Mc/mc - Since Fireheart is a homozygous classic tabby, the mother has to have both a dominant Mc to pass to Burnetpaw and a recessive mc to pass to Skipperpaw
?/? - Fireheart's passing a D
W/? - Fireheart's also passing a W, but the mother doesn't have to be homozygous to pass a W
?/l - Long hair is recessive, so Fireheart has to carry an l but the mother doesn't have to be homozygous to pass it
Burnetpaw:
O/Y - Dad's passing him a Y, so his mom has to pass an O on her X
A/a - His dad is a pseudo-tabby, so he can only pass an a, which means his mom has to pass an A
Mc/mc - His dad can only give him an mc, so his mom has to give him an Mc
D/? - Fireheart's giving him a D
W/W - Fireheart's also giving him a W, but his mom also has to give him a W
L/? - Fireheart's giving him an L
Plumpaw:
O/O - Dad can pass her an X with an O and so can her mom
A/a - Her dad is a pseudo-tabby, so he can only pass an a, which means her mom has to pass an A
Ta/ta - She cannot be homozygous ticked since it's a dominant allele, so she has to be heterozygous and since her father isn't ticked, he can only pass a ta
?/? - Ticked is epistatic to all tabby types, so we have no idea what she's got under there until she has kids
D/? - Fireheart's giving her a D
W/W - Fireheart's also giving her a W, but her mom also has to give her a W
l/l - Long hair is recessive, which means Fireheart has to be carrying it and so does her mom
Skipperpaw:
O/Y - Dad's passing him a Y, so his mom has to pass an O on her X
A/a - His dad is a pseudo-tabby, so he can only pass an a, which means his mom has to pass an A
mc/mc - His dad can only give him mc and his mom has to give him an mc
D/? - Fireheart's giving him a D
W/W - Fireheart's also giving him a W, but his mom also has to give him a W
L/? - Fireheart's giving him an L
Second tree:
Cootcloud and Crowthroat were siblings from outside of the clan that were taken in and raised by the clan. They individually made a bet with each other over who could woo the most beautiful cat in the clanâŚand had completely different ideas of what that meant, so they both ended up being happy while being completely oblivious to specifically who the other was thinking/referring to until they succeeded.
Crowthroat:
B/? - He has to get a dominant B for black from at least one parent
o/Y - No ginger
A/? - Since he's not ginger, he has to be agouti in order to be ticked since ticked is a modifier of tabby
Ta/ta - He has to be heterozygous in order to pass ta onto his daughters
?/mc - Ticked is epistatic to all types of tabby, but he has to carry an mc to pass to Nightbriar
D/? - One parent has to give him a D
W/W - No white, so each parent has to give a W
l/l - Long hair is recessive, so he has to get one l from each parent
Cormorantberry & Nightbriar's Mother:
?/? - Crowthroat's giving a dominant B
?/o - She can either be non-ginger or tortoiseshell
?/? - Crowthroat's giving a dominant A
?/ta - She has to carry a ta to pass onto both daughters, but doesn't have to be homozygous
?/mc - She has to pass on an mc to Nightbriar
?/? - Crowthroat is giving a dominant D
W/? - She has to pass on a W so that neither daughter has white
?/l - Long hair is recessive and both daughters are homozygous, so she has to carry an l
Nightbriar:
B/? - She can get dominant B from Crowthroat
o/o - No ginger, so both parents have to pass an o on X
A/? - Dominant agouti she gets from Crowthroat
ta/ta - Not ticked, which means each parent has to carry a ta
mc/mc - Both Crowthroat and her mother have to pass on an mc
D/? - Crowthroat gives a dominant D
W/W - No white, so each parent has to give a W
l/l - Long hair is recessive, so she has to get one l from each parent
Cormorantberry:
B/? - She can get dominant B from Crowthroat
o/o - No ginger, so both parents have to pass an o on X
A/? - Dominant agouti she gets from Crowthroat
ta/ta - Not ticked, which means each parent has to carry a ta
Mc/? - Either parent could give her Mc
D/? - Crowthroat gives a dominant D
W/W - No white, so each parent has to give a W
l/l - Long hair is recessive, so she has to get one l from each parent
Slugpaw's Father: Cormorantberry had a fling with a rogue
?/? - Cormorantberry is giving a dominant B
?/Y - Could be ginger, since he's giving a Y and not an X
?/? - Cormorantberry is giving a dominant A
?/ta - Has to carry a recessive ta to pass onto Slugpaw
?/? - Cormorantberry is giving a dominant Mc
?/? - Cormorantberry is giving a dominant D
W/? - Has to pass on a W to Slugpaw
?/l - Has to pass on a recessive l
Slugpaw:
B/? - He can get dominant B from Cormorantberry
o/Y - No ginger, since his father is passing on a Y
A/? - He gets dominant agouti from Cormorantberry
ta/ta - Not ticked, which means each parent has to carry a ta
Mc/? - Cormorantberry gives him a dominant Mc
D/? - Cormorantberry gives him a dominant D
W/W - No white, so each parent has to give a W
l/l - Long hair is recessive, so he has to get one l from each parent
Cootcloud:
B/? - He has to get a dominant B for black from at least one parent
o/Y - No ginger
A/a - Cootcloud has to pass on a recessive a to Shadowheart and Spiderberry
Ta/Ta - Since he's ticked, he has to have a dominant Ta, but he can be homozygous no problem since both of his kids are solid, and thus aren't ticked
?/? - Ticked is epistatic to all types of tabby, so no idea
D/? - One parent has to give him a D
W/W - No white, so each parent has to give a W
L/? - Short hair is dominant, so he could get one from either parent
Shadowheart & Spiderberry's Mother:
?/? - Cootcloud passes his dominant B on
?/o - Could be non-ginger or tortoiseshell so long as she has an o to pass
?/a - She has to pass on a recessive a in order for both kits to be solid
ta/ta - Since none of Spiderberry's kits are ticked, we can assume her mother is homozygous recessive non-ticked so that she can pass down a ta
?/? - Since their kits are solid, we don't know what they inherited
?/d - Cootcloud passes on his dominant D, so his mate gives recessive d for Spiderberry to pass to Fennelkit
W/? - She has to pass on a W for both kits to not have white
?/l - Cootcloud passed on dominant L to both kits, but she needs to pass on an l so that Spiderberry can pass it to Ravenkit
Shadowheart:
B/? - He can get dominant B from Cootcloud
o/Y - No ginger, since his father is passing on a Y and his mother is passing the o on an X
a/a - Cootcloud passes a recessive a and has to get another from his mother
Ta/ta - His father can only pass down Ta, and his mother can only pass down ta
?/? - Since Shadowheart isn't a tabby, we don't know what stripes he inherited
D/? - Cootcloud gives him a dominant D
W/W - No white, so each parent has to give a W
L/? - Short hair is dominant, so Cootcloud can pass his on
Spiderberry:
B/? - She can get dominant B from Cootcloud, however in order for her kits to make any sense, she MUST be heterozygous
o/o - No ginger, Cootcloud passes his o and so does her mother
a/a - Cootcloud passes a recessive a and has to get another from her mother
Ta/ta - Her father can only pass down Ta, and her mother can only pass down ta and she has to have a ta to pass down to her kits since none of them are ticked
Mc/mc - Since her kits display both mackerel and classic stripes, she has to have both to pass on
D/d - Cootcloud gives her a dominant D, but she has to pass on d for Fennelkit, so she gets recessive d from her mother
W/W - No white, so each parent has to give a W
L/l - Short hair is dominant, so Cootcloud can pass his on and one of Spiderberry's kits is long haired, so she has to carry a recessive l from her mother
Chanterellebriar:
?/? - We don't know what's on his black locus due to epistatic ginger, but in order for his kits to make sense, he MUST be heterozygous
O/Y - His father is passing on a Y and his mother is passing the O on an X
a/a - Each parent has to pass on a recessive a
mc/mc - Each parent has to pass on a recessive mc
d/d - Each parent has to pass on a recessive d
S/W - He has to give one S to Ravenkit in order for him to have white and blue eyes, but be able to pass a W to his daughters to keep them white free
L/l - Short hair is dominant, so either parent could pass it on, but the other parent has to pass recessive l to give to Ravenkit
Copperkit: a red and chocolate, classic tortoiseshell she-cat, with short fur, and copper eyes
b/? - recessive chocolate could have come from either parent
O/o - Tortoiseshell, O from dad and o from mom
a/a - Neither parent has a single dominant A to pass, so it's recessive a all around
mc/mc - In order for her to be classic, both parents have to pass on an mc
D/d - Spiderberry gives a dominant D and Chanterellebriar can only give recessive d
W/W - No white, so each parent has to give a W
L/? - Dominant L could have come from either parent
Ravenkit: a long haired, black tom, with a white chin, and blue eyes
B/? - Either parent could have passed dominant B
o/Y - Spiderberry passes her non-ginger o and Chanterellebriar passes his Y
a/a - Neither parent has a single dominant A to pass, so it's recessive a all around
?/mc - Since he's solid, we don't know what kind of stripes he inherited, though we do know that he's carrying mc since that's all his dad can give him
D/d - Spiderberry gives a dominant D and Chanterellebriar can only give recessive d
S/W - Since he has a very small amount of white, that means he has to get a W from mom and an S from dad which means he can have blue eyes
l/l - Each parent has to give him a recessive l
Fennelkit: a cream and lilac, mackerel tortoiseshell she-cat, with short fur, and green eyes
b/? - recessive chocolate could have come from either parent
O/o - Tortoiseshell, O from dad and o from mom
a/a - Neither parent has a single dominant A to pass, so it's recessive a all around
Mc/mc - Chanterellebriar can only give mc, which means Spiderberry is passing a dominant Mc
d/d - Each parent has to pass on a recessive d
W/W - No white, so each parent has to give a W
L/? - Dominant L could have come from either parent
Final Branch:
Chanterellebriar and Thymnecloud's parents are clanborn cats
Thymecloud & Chanterellebriar's father:
?/? - Either parent could pass on dominant B
?/Y - Could be ginger since he passed on his Y to both sons
?/a - Recessive a to pass onto their sons, dominant A could have come from either parent
?/mc - Has to pass on a recessive mc to both sons
?/d - Has to pass on a recessive d to both sons
W/? - Has to pass a W onto both sons, but at least one parent has to pass on an S to Chanterellebriar (but not both)
?/? - Either parent could pass on dominant L or recessive l, but both sons MUST be heterozygous
Thymecloud & Chanterellebriar's mother:
?/? - Either parent could pass on dominant B
O/o - Tortoiseshell in order to pass one of each to each son
?/a - Recessive a to pass onto their sons, dominant A could have come from either parent
?/mc - Has to pass on a recessive mc to both sons
?/d - Has to pass on a recessive d to both sons
W/? - Has to pass a W onto both sons, but at least one parent has to pass on an S to Chanterellebriar (but not both)
?/? - Either parent could pass on dominant L or recessive l, but both sons MUST be heterozygous
Thymecloud:
B/? - He can get dominant B from his mother
o/Y - No ginger, since his father is passing on a Y and his mother is passing the o on an X
A/a - Dominant A could have come from either parent
mc/mc - Each parent has to pass on a recessive mc
d/d - Each parent has to pass on a recessive d in order for Thymecloud to be dilute
W/W - No white, so each parent has to give a W
L/l - Short hair is dominant, so either parent could pass it on
Eveningpaw & Orchidpaw's Mother: A loner whom Thymecloud was seeing for a little while and broke things off with him when she left her newly weaned kits with him to take to AlderClan
?/? - Thymecloud is passing on dominant B to both daughters
O/o - Tortoiseshell so that she can pass each one to each daughter
?/a - Has to pass on a recessive a to both daughters
Mc/? - Has to pass dominant Mc onto Eveningpaw
?/d - has to pass on recessive d onto both daughters
S/W - has to pass a W onto Orchidpaw and then an S onto Eveningpaw
?/l - has to carry a recessive l to pass onto Orchidpaw
Eveningpaw:
B/? - Gets Thymecloud's dominant B for black
O/o - Tortoiseshell and she gets the o from Thymecloud and the O from her mother
a/a - She gets a recessive a from both parents
Mc/mc - She gets dominant Mc from her mother and recessive mc from her father since that's all he can give her
d/d - She gets recessive d for dilution from her father since that's all he can give and her mother since she's blue and cream
S/W - She gets a W from Thymecloud and an S from her mother to give her white and so she can have blue eyes
L/? - Her father can give her a dominant L for short hair
Orchidpaw:
B/? - Gets Thymecloud's dominant B for black
o/o - She gets an o from both her mother and father
a/a - She gets a recessive a from both parents
?/mc - Since she's solid, we only know that she's carrying recessive mc since that's all her father can give her
d/d - She gets recessive d for dilution from her father since that's all he can give and her mother since she's blue and cream
W/W - She gets a W from both parents
l/l - Long hair is recessive, so both parents have to carry it in order to pass it to her
And finally, on a related note, Slugpaw is the oldest of the apprentices and is basically about to become a warrior with Orchidpaw and Eveningpaw just behind him in age and then Fireheart's kids are freshly apprenticed. Cootcloud and Crowthroat are quite up there in age (not ancient, but pretty old) while Foxpelt retired rather recently and was rather stubborn about it for a while.
Sometimes my MLP hyperfixation briefly comes back...so I drew Applejack since I already drew Twilight Sparkle and Sunset Shimmer. I really wanna emphasize shape language with the Mane Six and I wanna make them all visually distinct aside from colours.
You also have no idea how much I had to fight myself not to give her socks because I didn't want to make her look too similar to Sunset, so I compromised and gave her leggings. I think they really help to make her stand out without making her look too similar :3
So just as an FYI, I will be away on vacation with very little limited access to wi-fi from tomorrow until the 23rd. Hope you all have a good day/night!
An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works
Chapters:Â 3/?
Fandom:Â Wings of Fire - Tui T. Sutherland
Rating: Â General Audiences
Warnings: Â Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings
Relationships: Â Foeslayer | Hope/Jerboa III (Wings of Fire)
Characters: Â Foeslayer | Hope (Wings of Fire), Jerboa III (Wings of Fire), Peacemaker (Wings of Fire), Darkstalker (Wings of Fire), Arctic (Wings of Fire), Lobo (Original Male Character), Whiteout (Wings of Fire), Deathbringer (Wings of Fire), Glory (Wings of Fire), Bouquet (Original Female Character), Slinky (Original Male Character), Frivolous (Original Female Character), Fireferrier (Original Male Character), Trueheart (Original Child Character).
Additional Tags: Canon Compliant, Post-Canon, Post-War, Fluff, Fluff and Angst, Domestic Fluff, Family Fluff
For MeloMammeredâs Diamond Mine Whiteout MAP. I had a lot of fun working on this! All of the designs are so fun and stylized and expressive! This MAP is still open, so anyone whoâs interested in participating should definitely give it a shot and apply!
An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works
Chapters: 2/?
Fandom: Wings of Fire - Tui T. Sutherland
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings
Relationships: Foeslayer | Hope/Jerboa III (Wings of Fire)
Characters: Foeslayer | Hope (Wings of Fire), Jerboa III (Wings of Fire), Peacemaker (Wings of Fire), Diamond (Wings of Fire), Darkstalker (Wings of Fire), Snowfox (Wings of Fire), Snowflake (Wings of Fire), Arctic (Wings of Fire), Lobo (Original Male Character), Whiteout (Wings of Fire), Deathbringer (Wings of Fire), Glory (Wings of Fire), Secretkeeper (Wings of Fire), Moonwatcher (Wings of Fire), Winter (Wings of Fire), Kinkajou (Wings of Fire), Bouquet (Original Female Character), Darling (Original Child Character), Proudclaws (Original Child Character)
Additional Tags: Canon Compliant, Post-Canon, Post-War, Fluff, Fluff and Angst, Domestic Fluff, Family Fluff
The Librarian! One of the most interesting characters in contrast to how little we actually see of her. Her fate is so sad and so messed up, being mind-controlled forever. Iâm glad sheâs safe now, but I would like to know more about her. I wanted to give her a sort of âplainâ and âunassumingâ look about her, but still distinct enough to think âthis is someone important.â
Albatross, Murder Peepaw. Heâs like...between Arctic and Darkstalker for me as far as âmad animusâ goes. I could 100% see the seeds of where his actions were coming from and it was hard not to blame him for wanting Queen Lagoon dead. But he crossed the line when he turned on his whole family, including his son and daughter. I want either a Winglet on him or a Legends book. I want to know more about him and his life before the massacre. I also like giving older SeaWings longer barbells on their chins.
And him, the stinky man that nobody ended up liking and has some favourites (both the normal enjoyers and the...concerning ones). His story is a compelling one, for sure, but I donât hold the same amount of affection towards Arctic as I do towards Darkstalker. But! He has his place for good reason and his life under Queen Diamond is nothing short of...telling.
I also love how weâve collectively decided to give Darkstalker more IceWing traits/making him look more like his father specifically because we know it would piss him off.
Foeslayer/Hope herself. Personal headcanon that she has ADHD based on her characterization in Runaway. Iâm glad she can finally have a peaceful life to raise her son, again. She deserves to just...relax and be at peace for once in her life. I wanted to make her look a little bit like Darkstalker to give more of a sense of familial resemblance.
And in this corner, Clearsightâs mother, Swiftwings. We never really get anything with her, which I find sad. I think itâs really sad how distant Clearsight is from her parents. I wouldâve liked to know more about them or seen them more.
