Friendly reminder that even though Yuuri will wax poetic about how beautiful Wolfram is, Yuuri is also very clear in stating that there is absolutely nothing feminine about Wolfram’s face/general appearance at all.
I’m looking at you, fanfic writers ;p
I think that now that people are reading the novels, fanfic writers are doing it less. I’d like to blame the anime for making Wolf look so feminine in fanfics, but even the anime showed him to be strong and absolutely not feminine (when he wasn’t in his night clothes), and Yuuri probably wore as many dresses as Wolf tbh.
I think it was all plane stereotyping inherited from Japanese fans (known to like easily identifiable uke/seme ) which was passed on to fans worldwide.
I haven’t read a single conyuu fanfic, but I’m guessing in them Yuuri is also shown to be a lot more feminine than he actually is.
Just take a quick look at covers of maruma doujinshis everywhere and you’ll see what I mean.
It’s funny, because maruma’s author, Takabayashi sensei, expressed herself against this type of stereotyping, the whole uke/seme brainwash that most Japanese fans have (and by extension worldwide fans had, at least until a few years ago) .
The reason for this type of stereotyping, if anyone is actually reading my comment this far, is that Japanese people NEED to stereotype and classify everything. You need to be in a little box with a little label or they simply don’t know what to do with you. Since the traditional idea of a couple in most societies has been for millennia male/female, someone in the homosexual relationship had to “play the part of” the other gender.
Stereotyping like this comes, of course, from being completely ignorant about same sex relationships (which is really no one’s fault, because sex is not a matter you discuss anywhere in Japan).
Hopefully fans worldwide can stop stereotyping in fanfics based on old-fashioned ideas.
Aww shit, you’ve brought up my pet peeve psychotic hatred: the uke/seme dynamic. You’re not supposed to say its name. It’s like Voldemort XD
But yeah, I get what you mean. I can’t even look at the Owari no Seraph fandom lately. Even in No.6 they made Nezumi feminine in the anime and they even put him in drag which was something that Nezumi was very careful to hide from Shion in the novels. They also turned Shion into an albino (completely unrelated, but it also makes me angry). Uhh, but I’m not sure if you even know what I’m talking about, so…. moving on!
As someone who read a crapton of Conyuu, I can attest that yes, Yuuri gets a little girly in a lot of those - to the point where he’s a bit OC. Although considering that Conrad has very firmly cemented their relationship as father/son in canon, all Conyuu is a bit OC. The fact that Julia comes up a lot in those fics doesn’t help all that much. But, I get the feeling that a lot of Conyuu is more of a way for some fanfic writers to covertly self-insert themselves into a story via Yuuri so I think some of the girlish-ness comes from that more so than a stereotype. Gwenyuu though, omfg. I’ve read a total of 1 fanfic that didn’t make me want to murder someone and it was a general friendship fic that was mislabeled Gwenyuu.
Back on track, I don’t think the Voldemort thing originated in Japan. It was just kind of floating around in the world and Japan just so happened to give it a name that caught on with fangirls. ‘So who’s the woman?’ was something I heard waaay before anime was popular in the US. And great, now I’m thinking about how much GwenGun creeps me the fuck out…. Actually any story with Gunter in a serious romantic role creeps me out, now that I think of it. It’s so unnatural….
As a last note, there is another Japanese stereotype that I wish would die in a fire: okama that just can’t stop sexually harassing everything with a dick. Just stop. Please. Now.
And omg, I apologize to everyone for this gigantic wall of text.
I also don’t agree with the stereotypes in yaoi manga.
In maruma you’ll not see anything feminine about Yuu or Wolf. They bring up the topic about “who’s the wife/who’s gonna wear the dress” from time to time, and there were some jokes about mpreg (confirmed being impossible, even in that other world), but that’s it.
Since we’re talking specifically about Wolf, there’s a quote from Yuuri I want to drop here. He starts talking about Wolf and the following description is for Saralegui.
Wolfram is a pretty boy just like an angel, his blonde hair and emerald eyes the color of the bottom of a lake would never give anyone a feminine impression, even those beautiful lips he inherited from his mother only prove to bring out his strong personality. Lord von Bielefeld is like the sunlight, making people want to run together with him, making it hard not to notice him.
As for the third guest soaking in the pool beside me, he’s like the gently dark moonlight, if you ask whether he has the beauty of a young girl… Actually, just observing him for ten or twenty seconds will refute that conclusion. But everything about him has an aura of neutrality, and none of the roughness of a man.
For example, his fingers. Those slender fingers are elegant in shape, and the fingernails he holds out even have a light shade of pink, the type that wouldn’t look at all out of place holding a cocktail glass with the pinky sticking out. Those hands of his have never held a bat, oh, wait, I correct myself in my mind, they’ve never held a sword.
Sara is more on the androgynous side, but even being like that you can notice he’s a guy after looking well at him. Wolfram will never make you doubt, not by his appearance, not by his personality either. I think beside Josak in drag, or in some cases Sara (and Yelshi?), you can’t confuse any male char in this series with a woman.
Oh and we saw Sara paint his nails with polish, drop Marie Antoinette comments and also use a silk negligee with transparent parts that made Yuuri comment in an ambiguous way (meaning he hates it or likes to see it). Sara’s the most natural-feminine char so far xD