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@dimitrygs
“All gymnasts should have to train 2 vaults. The vault final is so boring with everyone sitting around while the other rotations finish “
Yes. And the E score should be the SUM of the deductions of both vault so we can have *gasp* E scores in the 7s if the two vaults suck?! D: (The D score would be the average of the two D scores).
How come sometimes we get weird e scores that end in .091, .058, and .008?
tbh i have no idea, does anyone know?
There are five E-score judges and two reference judges, which should be like “the best of the best” judges. So, let’s say the five judges give 8,2 - 8,1 - 8,4 - 8,0 - 8,2 and the reference judges give 8,4 - 8,5. The average of the five judges, after discarding the highest and lowest score, is 8,166. The average of the two reference judges is 8,450. If the reference judges score is much higher or much lower than the score of the five judges (I don’t remember by how much), the two scores are averaged: 8,166 and 8,450 give an average of 8,308, and that’s the final E-score.
I need receipts bc I don’t understand why Flavia’s D score wasn’t 5.6? Happy for Melnikova too, I really like her routine. Just want to know what happened!
I agree with this. I did all the math for her routine and got 5.6 D-score. I don’t know what they could’ve downgraded or not-credited because everything was completed and fully around. This is what I got:
whip (A) + double layout (F) – A + F = 0.2 CV switch leap full (D) double tuck full (E) switch leap (B) + split leap with 1.5 turns (D) 1.5 twist © + front full © – C + C = 0.1 CV Memmel turn (D) switch ring leap © double pike (D)
F E D D D D C C = 3.3 Requirements = 2.0
TOTAL: 3.3 + 2.0 + 0.3 CV = 5.6
I thought they might ding her for the split 1.5…it almost has to be because her Memmel is stable
It’s definitly the split 1.5 (see image)
SO ITALY IS IN SECOND AFTER TWO ROTATIONS. THEY STILL HAVE TO BEAM, BUT I’M LIVING.
OK BRONZE BYE I’M DEAD HI
SO ITALY IS IN SECOND AFTER TWO ROTATIONS. THEY STILL HAVE TO BEAM, BUT I’M LIVING.
WE ARE STILL SECOND AND IT’S TIME TO BEAM. HELP.
SO ITALY IS IN SECOND AFTER TWO ROTATIONS. THEY STILL HAVE TO BEAM, BUT I’M LIVING.
Omg 5.8 d score and 13.866 for Kara
@beamscoring
i LOVE that my branding as not being into kara is so widespread lmao
JUSTICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It got downgraded 4 tenths after the inquiry. And Kara is out of EF. I’m... speechless xD What a dumb move to let the judges re-watch her borderline rings after already being in EF...
Are you allowed to catch an Ezhova practically horizontally? I’m not trying to be shady, I genuinely don’t know. I mean for a shootover or straddleback I know you have to land in handstand, but I think Ezhovas, like paks, aren’t expected to be caught at a 0 degree angle…at the same time, surely a 90 degree angle is a technical flaw?
30° degrees or less is the angle for no deduction, 30°-45° is 0.1, 45°-90° is 0.3.
Gymnastics things
Gymnast: *literally the worst vault ever, but it’s a difficult vault* Judges: 8,733 E score
Gymnast: *literally the best yurchenko 1/1* Judges: 8,966 E score
Gymnast: *slightly low vault* Judges: -0,5 lack of height
Gymnast: *starfish legs* Judges: *cannot see sh*t because of perpendicular point of view* -0,1 leg separation, maybe?
Gymnast: *one wobble and one pause on beam* Judges: 6,900 E score
Gymnast: *breaths on beam* Judges: pause deduction Gymnast: *moves while breathing on beam* Judges: adjustment deduction Gymnast: *rushes everything and doesn’t breath* Judges: artistry deduction
Gymnast: *walks under the low bar* Judges: 0,5 neutral deduction Gymnast: *is shook* Judges: “your composition is sh*t”
Gymnast: *risks life doing somersaults and twists on floor for 90 seconds while trying to sell the routine* Judges: 5,0 D score
Gymnast: *literally hugging the beam by falling from a wolf turn* Judges: *cannot deduct more than 0,3 because of FIG logic*
Gymnast: *double front half turn on floor* Judges: F Gymnast: *arabian double front half turn on floor* Judges: E Everyone: “why?” FIG: “dunno”
Male gymnast: *bad vault* Judges: 9,266 E score
Male gymnast: *good vault* Judges: 9,366 E score
Male gymnast: *lands with feet apart* Judges: -0,1 Male gymnast: *heel clap* Judges: “Oh, nevermind”
Gymnast: *does new skill* Kim: “here it is, the Kim XIII”
Everyone: Aliya FIG: Aliia
Romania: *asks help* Federation: “Lazy”
FIG: *wants gymnasts to be more artistic* Gymnast: *does something artistic* FIG: “Banned”
I might have posted a sequel. https://dimitrygs.tumblr.com/post/188074645982/gymnastics-things-20
Gymnastics things 2.0
Gymnast: *double double on floor* FIG: H Gymnast: *double double off the beam* FIG: H Everyone: Why? FIG: Dunno.
Gymnast: *wobbles on beam and apparently is off the beam but somehow one molecule of her body is still on the apparatus and saves it* Judge: “Yuck, -0,5 balance check plus -0,3 for the form plus -0,3 artistry for lack of flow, being disconnected and being a gymnast on beam during the 2017 quad.”
Gymnast: *2 and 3/4 twist into ankle destruction into front tuck but stil facing the wrong way* Judge: “Totally rotated, indeed”.
Gymnast: *is chinese* Judge: “Mandatory -0,3 for the nationality”.
Gymnast: *Does front attitude turn* Rhytmic gymnasts watching: *Have mass seazures*
No one: Literally no one: FIG: “Let’s limit the number of teams at Worlds and kill the smaller federations!”
Russian gymnastics fan: “I’m so excited for Worlds!” Someone: “It’s a pre-olympic year”. *PTSD enters the chat*
Gymnast: *is a prodigy at age 11* Gymnast: *is overworked from age 13* Gymnast: *is worn out at age 15* Gymnast: *retires at age 17* Everyone: How?! O:
No one: Literally no one: FIG: “Let’s limit the number of gymnasts each federation can bring at post-olympic Worlds to three!”
Simone: *does Amanar* Tim: “Ooooh man, I bet she could do a quintulle twisting yurchenko right now if she wanted!” Simone: *does triple double* Tim: “Ooooh man, she is so powerful she could do the octuple twisting quadruple back!”
Japanese gymnast: “I’m one of the favourites to medal at worlds!” Japanese federation: “You can’t go. You weren’t ready 10 months ago. You are literally the worst.”
No one: Literally no one: FIG: “Let’s do 4 people teams for Olympics! That’s a great idea.”
FIG: "So, this is how the olympic qualification process works: first you have... then you have... but don’t forget about... and there is this exception... and also in case of tie-break... and not less important is... and in the end you have... Questions?“ Normal person: “Sorry, could you repeat in English, please?”
Gymnast: “Coach, how can I increase my D-Score on floor without beeing one of the top5 floor worker in the world?” Coach: “You don’t.” Gymnast: “But... there must be something I can do!” Coach: “What about you throw three or four D leaps that you won’t ever rotate in your lifetime?” Gymnast: “...not a good idea!” Coach: “Then do a couple H skills which could probably kill you.” Gymnast: “...maybe not.” Coach: “So what about doing crazy connections that could send you to Mars if you mistime your jumps for 0,1 CV?” Gymnast: “...not today, not tomorrow.” Coach: “See? Not possible. Now go back to beam and do your ring jumps which would up your D score from 5 to 6,5 even though you have a 0,01% chance to get full credit.”
FIG: *Brings open-ended code of points in 2006 but can’t balance the scores between the four events* *13 years later* FIG: *Changed the code 4 times but still can’t balance the scores between the four events”
Judge on vault: “What a beautiful vault. I will give you 9,3 E score for a total of 15,100!” Judge on bars: “A marvelous exercise with beatiful connections and precise pirouettes. 8,5 E score for a total of 14,700.″ Judges on floor and beam: “13,700.” Someone: “Did she fall?” Judge: “No. Actually her routines were some of the best I’ve seen all day!” Someone: “But... the scores...” Judge: “What. She got 7,999999 E score on both floor and beam!” Someone: “Is it so hard to give 8,0+ E scores on beam and floor?” Judge: “Are you kidding me? SHE PAUSED ON BEAM TO BREATHE SEVERAL TIMES, AND SHE DARED TO ADJUST HERSELF INTO THE CORNER ON FLOOR, MANDATORY DEDUCTIONS YOU KNOW?”
Gymnast in 2017: “I’m ready for worlds!” Montrehell: “I’m gonna end these gymnasts whole carreers.”
Oleg Vernaiev: “I only have two healthy pieces of body left... help.” Federation: “We ain’t give you no money” Oleg: “I’M READY FOR ALL THE COMPETITIONS AND WORLD CUPS, YES I AM. Just wait ‘till I’m all taped up”
Aliya Mustafina: “I only have two healthy pieces of body left... help.” Valentina Rodionenko: “Come one, take Oleg as an example and come to worlds.” Aliya: “No.” Valentina: “Retired.”
Romania as a whole: “I only have two healthy pieces of body left... help.” Federation: *calls Ponor* “Let’s negotiate.”
Svetlana Khorkina: “Oh. My. Gosh. She is soooo beutiful like, she is the best person that ever existed in this mediocre world. Like guuurl, look at those perfect legs and those damn elegant arms. Dayum is she fine. No one will be so perfect evah, not even Simone Biles, ya know, that loser poser. Nu-uhh, the real deal even has a big ass statue.” Person: “Who are you talking about?” Svetlana: “Oh, you silly. Ya should know better, I’m talking about her majesty Svetlana Khorkina, who else?” Person: “I prefer Aliy...” Svetlana: “NU-UUUUUUUH, EXCUUUUSE ME, DON’T YA DARE, NOT IN MY HOUSE.” Person: “...we are outside!” Svetlana: “THE WHOLE RUSSIA IS MY HOUSE, MY REIGN, YOU PEASANT!”
anyone wanna tell me what gelya is doing here?
ring reverse sissone!! she's getting a new element named yas
An Agiurgiuculese, of course u.u https://twitter.com/WorldRhythmic/status/1098227412012331008
Can I also just take a moment to say I hate TAT with a passion? Her commentary is so biased, so nationalistic, she talks over the peformances and often rambles about something completely different than what’s happening at the moment (I remember at last year’s Worlds she kept going on about Evgenia and Alina’s Olympic peformances during the men’s event - that’s how detached she can be from what’s happening in front of her).
And don’t ask me why I was masochistic enough to retwatch parts of WTT with her commentary - guess I was just too curious - but seriously, her constant hate against Rika is so rude I seriously wonder how she’s a grown woman of 72 years and somehow not ashamed to hate on a 16-year-old. And no, when I say “hate”, I don’t mean “critique”. For instance, TAT at Worlds saying that she prefers Satoko’s interpretation and skating skills over Rika’s is totally fine and justified and not hateful at all. But this time? After Rika landed the 3A in the short, TAT immediately said “Good, but not better than Liza’s”. Then she kept complaining about the judges giving Rika’s 3A a slightly higher GOE than Liza’s and how she “just doesn’t agree with that”. And then today, when Rika fell on the 3A? What was the first thing out of TAT’s mouth? I’ll give you hint, it wasn’t “Oh no, is she okay?” - it was an excited “Liza’s won!” I mean, what the hell? It’s fine to root for the athletes from your country, but I don’t think any other commentator would be so openly gleeful to see someone else fall. Especially in a team competition where the individual results don’t even matter that much. At least pretend not to be a piece of trash?
Oh, and then after Rika’s skate her co-commentators (I can’t tell their voices apart, but I think one of them’s Yagudin? Is there even two of them?) talked about how “our girls aren’t scared of any storms” and “We again exceeded Japan’s attempts at domination”. Like, instead of talking about Rika’s performance they just praised themselves because she fell. And then TAT talked about how Rika was overhyped at the beginning of the season and “didn’t even come close to the top 3 neither at Worlds nor here”. Like, woman… are you forgetting she was 0.3 behind Zhenya? How is that not close? (Friendly reminder that TAT also once said Zhenya and Alina should have both gotten an OGM because they were only 1.31 apart. But I guess that faulty logic only applies when both skaters in question are Russian and the one who has less points is your fave.) Oh, and then TAT said Rika “looked like nothing” today. And if that’s not enough for you, she also said that Liza lost weight, which she thinks is “very important”.
tl;dr: TAT is despicable, and if you support her just because she stans Zhenya or Yuzu or whoever else, I’m side-eyeing you hard.
(And this, for example, is a post I will tag with #anti, beause it’s actually meant as an attack on her character, not as a comment about how she’s overscored as a skater.)
Wait until you read Italian’s sport site OAsport on any live coverage. They would literally write in caps <<YEEEEEEES, HE FEEEEEELL! *insert Italian athlete name* IS IN FRONT!!!1!11!!!!1>> or <<NOOOO, HE DIDN’T FALL! *insert Italian athlete* SADLY IS GOING TO BE BEHIND, WHAT A SHAME!!!111!!1!>>
Gymnastics things
Gymnast: *literally the worst vault ever, but it's a difficult vault* Judges: 8,733 E score
Gymnast: *literally the best yurchenko 1/1* Judges: 8,966 E score
Gymnast: *slightly low vault* Judges: -0,5 lack of height
Gymnast: *starfish legs* Judges: *cannot see sh*t because of perpendicular point of view* -0,1 leg separation, maybe?
Gymnast: *one wobble and one pause on beam* Judges: 6,900 E score
Gymnast: *breaths on beam* Judges: pause deduction Gymnast: *moves while breathing on beam* Judges: adjustment deduction Gymnast: *rushes everything and doesn't breath* Judges: artistry deduction
Gymnast: *walks under the low bar* Judges: 0,5 neutral deduction Gymnast: *is shook* Judges: “your composition is sh*t”
Gymnast: *risks life doing somersaults and twists on floor for 90 seconds while trying to sell the routine* Judges: 5,0 D score
Gymnast: *literally hugging the beam by falling from a wolf turn* Judges: *cannot deduct more than 0,3 because of FIG logic*
Gymnast: *double front half turn on floor* Judges: F Gymnast: *arabian double front half turn on floor* Judges: E Everyone: “why?” FIG: “dunno”
Male gymnast: *bad vault* Judges: 9,266 E score
Male gymnast: *good vault* Judges: 9,366 E score
Male gymnast: *lands with feet apart* Judges: -0,1 Male gymnast: *heel clap* Judges: “Oh, nevermind”
Gymnast: *does new skill* Kim: “here it is, the Kim XIII”
Everyone: Aliya FIG: Aliia
Romania: *asks help* Federation: “Lazy”
FIG: *wants gymnasts to be more artistic* Gymnast: *does something artistic* FIG: “Banned”
Who do you think is the most innovative nation in gymnastics?
Historically, the Soviets. Without a doubt. The Soviet Team literally made the sport what it is today. I really don’t think there’s any argument to be had about that, though you could argue (and I’d agree) that the current Russians haven’t continued that legacy, though to be fair nobody has - there’s not one team that is as consistently innovative as the soviets were.
I really don’t see any of the big 3 - Russia, China, USA - doing anything particularly ‘different’ right now. Yes Simone has crazy difficulty, but I don’t know that I’d classify what she does as like…game-changing in a super unique way? This isn’t meant to be a drag AT ALL, and what she does is better than anyone else has ever done, but her routines are more like extra difficult versions of things we’ve seen than stuff that completely breaks the mold, you know?
If I had to pick, I guess I’d say the Netherlands have been the most innovative lately. This doesn’t necessarily mean I like what they’re doing - in fact I often find it quite boring - but in terms of a team that has really created routines that are notably different from the competition, I’d say the Netherlands does that the best. Sanne’s almost acro-less gold medal-winning beam routine, FX with 2 tumbles and dramatic choreo (and the makeup scandal!), Eythora’s crazy turn sequences on floor…idk I think these things, whether you like them or not, are more “different” than what we’ve seen the big teams do.
It bothers me when people talk like Sanne can’t do acro because it’s literally not true? She does a full-twisting BHS, that’s difficult, and she does it in combination. She also does it AS A MOUNT which is CRAZY difficult - you rarely see full-twisting BHS alone and that mount is incredibly rare. And there’s a reason why few people did the two connected side aerials, because it’s difficult to connect them smoothly keeping the leg up, like she does. When you combine those acro skills with the obviously insane turns that she’s doing - when a double turn, which is a skill very few gymnasts do and the ones that do often mess up, is casually the third-hardest turn in her routine - you get an exercise which is exceptionally difficult and she was correctly rewarded for it. Just because Sanne makes her acro look easy doesn’t mean it is.
If you want to actually pick a weakness in her routine it’s obviously the leaps, which are easy and not always well executed, but for some reason no-one picks up on this.
I said “almost acro-less” because compared to gold medal winning beam routines from the past 3 or 4 decades hers is much more dance-focused. And has anybody else under the open COP won a medal counting fewer than 4 acro elements? I don’t think so. I didn’t say she can’t do acro, just that her routine doesn’t depend on it like almost all other successful routines do. I also didn’t say her acro was easy, or imply that her routine was easy or over-rewarded in general.
But... her Rio beam routine literally counts 5 acro and 3 dance. I’m not joking.
i made the mistake of rewatching riley and kara’s beam routine in QF to see if they really were overscored because i was just going out of first impressions still and… kara really got full D credit for that routine………. with the two split rings being not even close………………..
the E score wasn’t actually as over as i thought (granted i am not all that knowledgeable on deductions, but still i guessed 7.8 with vídeo pauses and she got 8.066 which is fine), but her D absolutely was not 6.4 and she would never receive that credit if not for her flag and you can’t change my mind!
on the other hand while riley did have more E than i would guess, i feel like i guessed pause deductions where she was still moving her wrists or something so they may have let her pass? as i said i am not an expert idk. also, she actually didn’t get credit for a connection when i thought all of them were fine so her score really was a couple tenths higher at most. YOU WON THIS TIME, MAGGIE HANEY
TF update: same. riley seemed a couple tenths higher in E but also didn’t get credit for something and this time i don’t even know what because i just can’t get her D down to 5.3 lmao. riley was not really overscored after all but i would absolutely not give D credit for this youtube comment
SURE, JAN
kara once again got a few tenths more in E and D credit for everything when she shouldn’t have, so ugh. and this is even being nice and giving her the switch ring because if she doesn’t get it credited she later doesn’t receive credit for a dance series and loses a CR. ellie black lost a CR for a smaller error in EF tbh.
I think Riley got 5,3 D score because she “cheated” her wolf turns: her left foot did a 90° turn to face the end of the beam instead of being in a side position before even beginning the turns. So triple downgraded to 2 1/2 and double downgraded to 1 1/2.
Giorgia Villa back at it with the tuck full training!
Even though it’s a risky skill I’m happy that she will replace her fugly bent leg bhs loso x’D
can not figure out for the life of me how Simone only got a 6.0D in TF for BB... any help? did she get any weird D score deductions?
I’m almost positive her front pike was downgraded to a tuck (which brings me to 6.3) and I think the other issue was her switch half. I think they only gave her credit for a side switch leap (B) so she lost an additional .2 in DV and .1 in CV since C+B isn’t worth anything. They could have also given her the front pike but not the front aerial+split jump, though I find this less likely bc I think she connected the two elements well enough,
I agree about the switch half, her left foot was 1/4 turn underrotated
