Lotta good answers in here, coincidentally across the full range of med school - pre clinical and clinical.Ā
Just reblogging the last one, and going to mention the other comments.Ā
Nice to see the surgical sieve being used!
(for reference - VINDICATE is one form of the mneumonic - VINDICATE: vascular, infection, neoplasm, degenerative or drugs, iatrogenic or intoxication, congenital, autoimmune, trauma, endocrine/metabolic)
Glad to see multiple myeloma in there, as back pain is a very common presentation for this, sometimes the only one and MM is so easily missed.Ā
Pre-clinical years is all about first exposure to a disease usually text or lectures. And at least considering the list of potentials, as a thought. Once you get to the clinical years and beyond, they turn into drop down menuās. I used to be really annoyed by lists as a student (I still am) but I get that it serves a purpose in the early years.Ā
From @loreleys-road-to-md
Huh okay this is so very far from my interests but hey letās embarrass myself online. This should be fun.
It depends on so many things, like where exactly or how long or other symptoms etc, but given no more information, it could be:
Not back-related: heart attack, kidney stone, pancreatitis.
Back-related: discus hernia, trauma, osteoporosis (and subsequent fracture), tumor (metastasis or local, solid or haematological), arthritis, spondylitis ankylopoetoca and other rheumatic causes.
Thatās all I could come up with from the top of my headā¦
Red flags would be: pain waking up pt from sleep, sensory function damage/motoric function damage in the limbs, tumor in pt history
(sorry for the mix of Latin and English, I had a lot of trouble trying to figure out what are things called in Englishā¦)
Thatās a good system - actually MSK/back related vs other organ system causing āback painā. For sure, one thing you always want to consider is aortic dissection. location of back pain will also help you in your differentials. Only thing I have to add is back pain that isnāt improving or is getting worse - hence the importance of following-up particularly if youāre in primary care.Ā
from: @doctor-jonathan-strange
Swooping in to add aortic dissection to Things That Must Not Be Missed.
Sudden-onset tearing pain between shoulderblades? Get help.
Thoracic back pain is a lot more likely to be something serious than lumbar pain is, and Iāve seen it counted as a red flag even.
The idea of having one clinical presentation to go off of sets you up for the future even if you donāt know it yet. My take home here for students is to have a system.Ā
A triage note if youāre in the emergency department could literally go, 35 year old male, with back pain. If youāre juggling a few patients in a limited time frame, youāre going to prioritise seeing the next patient and that one line also structures your process. Similarly, a page will be a one-liner, or a referral from an ED clinician (youāll always ask for more info on the other end, but again, past experience helps you decide fairly quickly whether you need to see the patient sooner or later). A code may give you even less information. What remains annoying is that itās always broad and you have to think about how to tackle it. (At a code you would rely on your Hs and Ts). When a code goes off, on the way to it in the hallway you should already being listing off differentials in your head of what it could be, as time is critical.Ā
I wouldnāt go memorizing lists, you could write it down once. But as you start seeing patients, those cases will cement those diseases for you and how they present.Ā
I also wrote off epidemiology as preclinical year student, but itās fairly significant later. For instance, a 65 yo male with chest pain will always be more concerning than a 20 yo with chest pain, and the provisional diagnosis will no doubt be different for each.Ā
And someone answered correctly in the comments, Zach from the Try Guys has Ankylosing spondylitis. If you watch his youtube vlog on how he was diagnosed, essentially his diagnosis was missed for years. Which is tragic as the longer the disease is left untreated, the more disabling it becomes as inflammation is given free rein for years. And itās a very manageable disease on the right medication.Ā
Iād love to keep going on this point, but it is a very broad topic. otherwise, if we were on the wards, the next questions would be what investigations would you request to confirm your diagnoses and what in the history and exam would you look for. Itās hard to envision as a pre clinical, but every question of the history is often very specific to rule in and out every diagnosis listed as above. So, within 10 mins Iāve narrowed the list to a couple of differentials, and just need a couple of investigations to confirm using whatever relevant criteria laid-out there.Ā
For fun, anyone know what in the history and exam would suggest a diagnosis of ankylosing spondylitis and what investigations will confirm the diagnosis? (Clue: What clinical criteria must be fulfilled?). Also - what on the history and exam would suggest multiple myeloma and what in the investigations would suggest this? (not necessarily diagnose but brownie points for this)