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its a funny joke, but no matter the iteration, it’s still inaccurate
Any chance you could explain the difference? The closest I’ve come to understanding it is to assume Xue Yang and his methods is actual demonic cultivation
**Before I talk about demonic cultivation, please note that I had trouble finding sources on it that weren’t from the mdzs wiki (which calls guidao demonic cultivation at the top of the page) or from a reddit thread from an mdzs forum. I am very likely missing important context about modao due to the fact that I have very little experience with Wuxia that involves it, and so I welcome anyone who knows more to correct me or add on.
The main difference, is that Wei Wuxian’s guidao, to be used properly, requires empathy for the ghosts (gui) that he utilizes. It is, essentially, Wei Wuxian expanding on his idea from his teens that Lan Qiren punished him for, where he says, “Spiritual qi is energy. Resentment is also energy. Spiritual qi is stored within the dantian and can be used for great feats, so why can’t resentment be used the same way?” (Chapter 4: The Elegant Flirt, 7seas translation) Wei Wuxian is asserting that a fourth way to handle a resentful spirit is to use existing resentful energy, like ghosts with a vendetta against the target, to destroy the target if the first two steps (fulfillment of their last wish, and suppression of the spirit) aren’t possible. But, imperatively, he never suggests creating the resentment- he specifically refers to the victims of the butcher being used against him in this scenario.
We can see him do this immediately after he gets out of the Burial Mounds when he reverses the protection talismans at the Wen camps so that the spirits massacred there by the Wen soldiers will instead be drawn in to take their revenge on the ones who killed them, and when he awakens Wen Ning’s corpse at the labor camps the Wens are imprisoned within using the lingering resentment in Wen Ning. He explicitly states that few others would have been able to come back as fierce as Wen Ning because of the sheer volume of resentment Wen Ning held within his body.
An important thing to note is that resentment here is literally the feeling of resentment. When someone cuts you off in the middle of speaking, or is needlessly rude to you and you get angry with them- that’s the resentment being referred to. In mdzs, resentment is a literal form of energy, because its strong enough to stop spirits from moving on, and the more they felt resentful, the stronger they are in the after-life if it’s keeping them tied to the living world.
Modao, demonic cultivation, is fundamentally different. Generally in Wuxia (fantasy cultivation novels with creatures and magic and whatnot) modao is different in that, typically, the energy is coming from imprisoned souls or sacrifices of human lives/body parts/etc. Its actively harmful to the spirits and people being used to create the resentment, which is what Xue Yang was doing in Yi City (and probably for the Jin as well.)
While Wei Wuxian is controlling sprits at some points using Chenqing, he doesn’t ever create resentment for the express purpose of using it. He’s killed people, tortured them, fought in a war, and used the fallen Wen soldiers to continue to fight against their living brethren, but he never sets out to create more spirits or go further in anyway. Xue Yang, however, intentionally poisons regular people, creates things to control fierce corpses (the spikes in Wen Ning’s and Song Lan’s heads) and just generally doesn’t care about other people in the slightest.
Wei Wuxian is a deeply empathetic person. The book states that one of the abilities that Wei Wuxian is most adept at compared to others is literally called Empathy, and its used twice that I can immediately remember. Once in Yi City with a-Qing’s spirit, and again as a paperman with Nie Mingjue’s dismembered head. It requires Wei Wuxian to form a connection with the dead soul to see their memories, and most won’t do it because of how dangerous it is. This technique isn’t guidao, but it is meant to exemplify the depths with which Wei Wuxian cares about others, including the dead.
Another scene that comes to mind to further support this message, is the flashback where Lan Wangji finds Wei Wuxian in an inn drinking surrounded by female spirits. He’s just chilling with ghosts in broad daylight like they’re all good friends! This scene serves a double purpose, but I’m specifically referring to the fact that he’s shown just hanging out with dead people, something a person who doesn’t have a respect for the dead wouldn’t do.
Unlike Xue Yang who unintentionally created a dead girl that tries to scare off people before they can suffer the same fate she did.
While Xue Yang was working off of Wei Wuxian’s notes, he wasn’t following Wei Wuxian’s core principle, and so he wasn’t following Wei Wuxian’s guidao path, but instead practicing demonic cultivation. So, I guess the biggest difference is the execution (ha) of getting resentment, however I could be missing more as I stated at the beginning of this post.
Tldr; Wei Wuxian wakes up or uses already disturbed spirits, while Xue Yang makes disturbed spirits.
Well put! Please allow me to words about how the relevance of what Wei Wuxian is doing and what sort of effect it has on the world is actually a core metric of the story and why it needs to not be combined or misnamed as modao.
Modao is a well known dark cultivational path in other novels as well. It is perhaps not always strictly evil, but given that it is entirely about using the living to your own ends, it’s certainly rarely heroic and that’s why MXTX uses it as part of the misconceptions around Wei Wuxian from the start. The audience she wrote for is going to know exactly what modao is and immediately clue in that guidao is not that because genre convention is a thing and MXTX knows exactly what she is doing.
Guidao is explicitly working with what already exists in the world and is lingering and stagnating. It is created when people are treated poorly in their lives and poorly in their deaths. A spirit with weight and regrets in their heart cannot move on to a next life and resents the living for still being alive. A body that is unburied and mistreated is a body that remembers the slights against it. Resentful energy is born from that, the mistreatment of those who need the living to help them pass on peacefully to the next cycle of reincarnation. This is why even orthodox cultivation in MDZS prioritizes liberation of the spirit first when it can.
Liberation of the resentment holding someone down, suppressing it if it is too strong to be released immediately, elimination of the being if it is so saturated in resentment that it will not move on any other way. Before Wei Wuxian those were the only ways to remove resentment from the world once it is born. Wei Wuxian instead takes what is there that might have a spirit that would otherwise be suppressed or eliminated and says “what makes you so angry? Why don’t we work together to help you find some peace, even if it means a little justified revenge in the process?” and helps them work through the grudges they held in order to let go of their own accord, within reason, of course. The Intrusion extra is a great example of him determining what the source of resentment is and that it will cause no excessive harm to let this spirit get its revenge. All it wants is to return an item it lost and punch an asshole in the face and it is content. Same with Iron Hook and the spirit there. He died without part of his body and was unable to express the last needs of his spirit in life. Wei Wuxian determines that what he really wants is the missing piece of his body and then to scream for a while until all of the anguish in his heart is out. Guidao is this as much as it is the flute of immortals singing an army of the angry dead to attack the Wen in the middle of the war. It answers the need of the living who uses it and the dead who need it.
Resentment pools and collects in the world and in the hearts of others and makes things worse wherever you find it and this is honestly a brilliant example of MXTX using the literal and the metaphorical at once because resentment is the driving force of all that happens in the flashbacks and present day. I am not joking in the slightest - it is the defining trait to everyone who makes a choice that makes the world worse, and why Wei Wuxian’s refusal to hold onto resentments and bitterness in his heart is a very powerful force in this world.
Whether it be Jiang Cheng’s resentment towards Wei Wuxian for being himself and unintentionally making Jiang Cheng feel bitter about his own self, Jin Guangyao’s resentment towards his heritage and how he never got the respect and prestige he felt he deserved, Xue Yang’s resentment towards one man’s poor treatment of him that went so far as to kill everyone who ever was connected to those who slighted him in any way, resentment is a core theme of those stories. The cultivation world turns on the Wen Remnants out of resentment at what Wen Ruohan did. Madam Yu spends every second of her page time hurting her family out of resentment for not being some nebulous thing she wanted. Resentment controls the world and while it’s most tangible in Wei Wuxian working with the more literal energy of the dead who are still trapped in their own resentment, the fact that his entire cultivational path is centered around redirecting and cleaning up this energy by helping those who he can let go of their resentment and preventing those who he cannot help from continuing to create the cycles of resentment is incredibly, incredibly important. In this world of spiraling resentment and anger, he is reversing and ending the cycles both for others and himself where he can.
This is why it matters so much at the second siege that he and the Wen Remnants choose to save the people who killed them before, even though they could step aside and help no one. They actively choose to end the cycle of resentment and so are freed of the resentment that binds others so they can live a better next life. This is why Wei Wuxian as a character cannot choose revenge upon the whole cultivation world at the beginning. MXTX is telling a story about the corrupting forces of grudges and bitterness and how to change that in the world, even if it is a slow process and may not effect everything you can see, it still has an impact. There are people who are alive because Wei Wuxian did not hold a grudge, there are lost souls who are able to move on and find peace because Wei Wuxian listened where no one else would.
This is why the distinction matters, and while I know it doesn’t help so much with the definition of modao (I have read more xianxia, but have yet to come across a modao user who isn’t just a two page character) hopefully it does convey that guidao is a very different beast and should not be conflated with modao (like the MDZS wiki and 7seas do) because when you conflate and mingle the two, you undermine every theme in MDZS and make understanding the story MXTX wanted to tell a hell of a lot more challenging than it was.
(Also Wei Wuxian also uses empathy briefly in the Guanyin Temple Hostage Party to see the past of one of the ghouls writhing on the floor once the seal is broken and determine that this too is a making of Jin Guangyao’s - how he murdered a bunch of prostitutes, covered them up with a temple and pretended he had never done any of that. It’s a much smaller scene, but it is a third time that he does that)
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Did they let the fucking guy out
Speaking of saving JL, I love how almost the entire adult cast keeps trying to keep this kid safe and he just keeps managing to slip through their collective fingers and get in deadly trouble anyway. JL thinks he’s starring in a middle-grade adventure novel while everyone around him desperately tries to convince him this is a rather violent mystery novel for adults actually and he’s gonna be the next victim if he doesn’t overcome his bad case of protagonist syndrome
#he’s got all the YA Protagonist gear! #he’s got the magic dog #he’s got the quirky friends squad and the bully antagonist squad #he’s got the mysterious mentors #he’s got his dead father’s sword #jin ling is off on a YA adventure novel and nobody can stop him (via mikkeneko)
i was just reflecting earlier today that you could very easily deliver the ‘jin ling’s uncles’ summary spiel in such a way as to give the impression that jin ling is the Very Normal Main Character of a story aimed at teens
A lot has been made about how Jin Ling has his mother’s heart, deciding to choose forgiveness and pushing WWX and JC to make up, and that’s certainly true! But the thing I think is under explored is that being an arrogant spoiled brat who nonetheless ends up displaying a surprising amount of emotional maturity, grace, and personal growth didn’t come from Yanli.
Zixuan is literally the only person in the entire cast who realizes that you can just grow and change and fix your mistakes before anyone dies about it. When Zixuan makes Yanli think he hates her and is only spending time with her out of obligation, he decides he does not actually wish to continue participating in the Bad Communication Olympics and makes himself vulnerable and open to rejection in order to communicate clearly. Can you imagine if literally anyone else had developed this power? As much as everyone (both in fandom and in universe) roasts Zixuan for his lack of game, my man still managed to get his shit together and marry the love of his life at like twenty, AND they tell each other everything! Who else is doing it like him. If doubling down on your maladaptive coping mechanisms and refusing to try a different approach led to your festering issues destroying all your relationships, he would simply not do that. RIP to the rest of y'all but he’s different. Also RIP to him because MXTX couldn’t let him live long enough to start giving anyone else ideas.
Similarly Jin Ling is all of thirteen years old when he allows himself to accept both the good and the bad of people he cares about deciding to let go of his resentments. He would be well within his rights to hold a number of grudges! He’s just allowing himself to be hurt and angry without either being consumed by hatred or suppressing his feelings. I really wish the show had included the scene of Jin Ling’s post temple breakdown because it’s SO good and thematically important:
Jin Ling definitely has Yanli’s compassion and desire to make peace between their loved ones, that’s undeniable. But that willingness to set aside his pride and be wrong so that he can figure out how to do things better next time? That is Zixuan’s gift to him just as much as Suihua, and far more valuable.
Wei Wuxian was well within his right to cut off Jiang Cheng at the end of the novel and I will forever think it was the healthiest and best option for both of them
#controversial I know!!#but I stand by this very very strongly#so many reconciliation fics also just force the majority of emotional labor on wwx too#as if it’s all his fault lmao it genuinely makes me uncomfortable#wwx at the end of MDZS is in a happy and fulfilling relationship and is accepted and loved by many as he is#jc at the end of mdzs is realizing that it’s time for him to move on from his bitterness and resentment since it’s done nothing but harm#there is only a very specific way I can see reconciliation going right and even then#but yeah. wwx does not owe jc reconciliation and they’re both better off apart#it was a very VERY toxic relationship that was going between brothers and master/servant#healthier for both to cut it off so that wwx doesn’t have to bend for jc and jc can be allowed to grow as a person#edit: just so people know this isn’t against reconciliation fics! I just don’t think it’s a REQUIREMENT#and personally think them being apart is better is all
Yeah like! Absolutely Wei Wuxian needed to do that, and the fact that he needed to create that boundary for himself after everything would be enough cause.
But also literally Jiang Cheng cannot ever recover if Wei Wuxian tries to lead a reconciliation between them.
Like. Seriously Jiang Cheng is very fucked up. He's legitimately traumatized, like nobody should say Jiang Cheng did not go through the traumas, and he spent the entire time Wei Wuxian was dead keeping his own wounds open and festering and basically going through a 'how to make sure every traumatic experience you have ever had causes you individual PTSD symptoms' checklist.
He had no support system other than his own desperate need to not have been in the wrong and his knowledge that he sure wasn't the hero of his own story.
(And a baby. Who he didn't even have any legal claim to, really, because this is a strong patriarchy.)
And a certain amount of what's wrong with Jiang Cheng can be legitimately categorized as Wei Wuxian's fault, for repeatedly cutting into Jiang Cheng's personal agency in the name of caring for him!
Which is exactly why Wei Wuxian trying to carry a rapprochement, in addition to the obvious ways it's very unfair to him, would actually demonstrate his not having learned anything from the genuine mistakes he made that contributed to the implosion of their relationship, and accepting it would harm Jiang Cheng.
I think they do have to work out something eventually because. Their society literally is not large enough for them to avoid one another forever. Which means it can't be a clean break, really, unless Wei Wuxian actually does peace on the cultivation world for good or something.
Which means they can't actually leave it hanging forever without it starting to rot again, especially on Jiang Cheng's end.
But if they're going to get anywhere meaningful Jiang Cheng definitely has to initiate it. And he has to have managed to grow and unstick and do some recovery and processing first.
The thing I always get frustrated about with these takes, besides yeah fans forcing it in ways that would seriously derail the healing process, is when I see this treated as a binary scenario.
Where the legitimacy of Wei Wuxian saying he is done putting anything into this relationship depends on the relationship always having been worthless.
On Jiang Cheng never having deserved any of the devotion he ultimately squandered by thinking he'd already lost it, on the relationship having been fundamentally poisoned and confining and unfulfilling and doomed and not good enough, and something that should have been repudiated sooner, and so forth.
And like. I don't think that's an interesting or useful reading of the tragic backstory here? Wwx, jc, and jyl all ultimately made things worse with the ways they loved so hard they were willing to die of it, and the ways loving each other didn't help them communicate usefully in the least, but I think the whole narrative becomes vastly more boring if you conclude that any love that winds up hurting terribly or being betrayed wasn't real, wasn't worth anything, or didn't matter.
(You could actually argue that's the thesis Jiang Cheng spent thirteen extremely psychologically damaging years trying to sell himself on.)
Like. Wangxian are cute as hell but I hope none of us are pretending they aren't kinda fucked up. The thesis 'relationships need to not be fucked up to be important' does not belong here. We are taking the warts. Narratively they are a feature.
And yet the idea that the only alternative is that if the love mattered, once, they have to put it back? And it should be easy if they can just forgive each other?
As though they haven't torn enormous bleeding scars in one another's psyches? As though Wei Wuxian's recovery process hasn't required letting go of his dependency on Jiang Cheng and Jiang Cheng's isn't going to require centering a lot less of his identity on Wei Wuxian?
Also bad! Terrible!
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yeah yeah exactly! i know why this idea that relationships that needed to end were never worth anything is a big part of our cultural zeitgeist, but i definitely think it's not really what the novel is going for as a message.
this is a book where possibly the controlling narrative theme is grief.
'just because it was good and mattered and you lost it doesn't mean it wasn't worth having, and yet at the same time if you're still alive, then no matter how much you've lost. there's nothing to do but keep living.'
and sometimes, if you're going to live on, you've got to change.
lan wangji is a really interesting figure looked at from this angle, because we don't get to see his internal life at all, he doesn't even make his own love confession, he gets outed by a third party and then echolalias his way into explicit reciprocation.
but by all appearances he used his grief and trauma as a catalyst to change himself enough that he could become someone who could live with the losses. which is to all appearances treating him much better than jiang cheng's attempt to change enough that grief can't touch him, while also not changing at all.
i should add, i said 'wei wuxian's dependency on jiang cheng' and on the one hand i did mean dependency, both the literal legal relationship they had while jiang cheng was his sect leader and a more emotional reliance on jiang cheng as a fixed point to erratically orbit.
but also even more important he depended on his sense of being responsible for jiang cheng to give him a sense of identity, and he really really really can't go back to that.
like if he even could he reallllllllly shouldn't. for both of their sakes.
Constantly thinking about the mystery of the cowbirds
Cowbirds meet up with other cowbirds to learn who they are!
A week or so after fledging they get this "ew I gotta get out of here" vibe when hanging out with their host parents and they start seeking out adult cowbirds. Usually they find females to hang out with and follow her around to learn How To Cowbird.
And the males will practice displaying to each other (a lot of blackbirds may do this? At least I've seen grackles do it too). So that's how the males learn how to be sexy. It's really cute to watch!
Edit: here is the Audubon article link! Thank you to the person (provendermalkin) in the tags who already posted it lol
sonce the sports are happening big rn where i live i made a handy chart of all the phrases i use to communicate with my loved ones during these trying times. i thought others might find it useful too
ive discovered you can have whole conversations with people using just these phrases and none will be any the wiser that you dont even know what sport it is theyre talking about
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