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You know that part in Portrait of a Lady on Fire when Héloïse says, "Do all lovers feel they're inventing something?" Dean definitely feels that way about his relationship with Sam, that they've invented a new type of way for two people to feel about each other, a category of bond that didn't exist before them.
dean doing the “honey, I’m home” bit too often, which results in him calling sam “honey” unironically bc the joke became a habit
I also found this series of books, by a Carver Edlund? Did those books really happen?
Also for the detox situation, I would argue that it’s also important to consider how the very next season, Sam drinks down demon blood to try to take on Lucifer, and this is not just condoned by Dean, but he helps get the blood. It’s something to consider when it comes to him outside the panic room and At least he dies human! and the difference between taking on Lilith and Lucifer (the brothers are fundamentally at odds on how to handle the Lilith situation) but now Dean is directly by Sam’s side as they gather the blood in season 5.
It says something about the detox situation that, while both the events of season 4 and 5 are about preventing the apocalypse (kill Lilith to prevent her from raising Lucifer and starting hell on earth, and then stop Lucifer before he can end the world), Sam was allowed by everyone to drink demon blood in season 5 while this resulted in them nearly killing Sam with a cold-turkey detox of a psychic back in season 4, despite the belief they’d all operated under that killing Lilith would be a net gain for humanity.
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Genuinely curious what the fandom thinks Dean should have done instead of keeping Sam in the panic room when detoxing from demon blood. Should he just let Sam go turn into a demon? Would you prefer that he kill Sam? There's no demon blood detox facility. Should he have practiced harm reduction and just let Sam chugalug some blood under supervision? Never mind that it was damaging his soul, I guess. Even the angels didn't have a solution. In fact, it took an act of God to completely detox him and even then he still struggled with the addiction. But you're right, Dean must be a villain for trying to keep Sam, himself and the rest of the world safe. Because a whole lot of people like to repeatedly complain about that situation, but offer no other viable solution to how it should be dealt with.
i'm not sure if you're asking in good faith or just wanted to vent (totally reasonable if so, that's what blogs are for), but in case you're actually curious...
while i can't speak for everyone, as much as i'm always down to talk about how deeply fucked up the panic room detox was, i don't think that narratively it should have gone down any different way. it's a tragedy -- these are imperfect people, scared and worn through and in an impossible situation doing awful things to themselves and each other, and that's what makes it interesting.
in the "real world", tricking, forcibly restraining someone against their will, and leaving them there to white-knuckle their way through that kind of detox would be... straight up monstrous. overriding not only their autonomy but that panic room setup was likely to get someone killed, given sam's seizures and the lack of hygiene, water, etc.
so let's ignore the real world because it's a story, and it's narratively interesting, but then - why talk (in your words, complain) about it?
well, it's interesting (and fucked up) because it's a violation of sam's autonomy. it's even more fucked up because, given the information they had at this point in the story, it shouldn't be the "right" choice. you said "Dean must be a villain for trying to keep Sam, himself and the rest of the world safe" <- emphasis on "the rest of the world" here. the information that they have at the time of the panic room detox is that they need to kill lilith to save the world. sam is drinking blood due to addiction but also with the rationalization that it makes him stronger and more able to kill lilith, and he's been told he's the only one who can. dean accepts that forcibly detoxing sam may ruin their best chance at killing lilith and therefore their best chance at saving the world.
in-canon at that specific point in time, with the information the characters are operating on, detoxing sam is likely to end the world. it is selfish.
dean is forcibly detoxing sam because dean cannot bear to have his brother become a monster. he needs sam to stay human (to die human, in his own "at least he dies human" words, which reveal a lot about how he actually feels about the situation). he is doing this because he believes it will save sam and he believes it is his duty to save sam. even if saving him means killing him, because he also believes it's his duty to kill sam if sam ever goes too far "dark side". this is all very blatantly established over seasons 2-4, or 1-4 even, but definitely thrown in motion from 2x01 and john telling dean to save sam or kill him. this has been building for seasons, and dean is discovering now that to do one might be to do the other, and his act of doing so is...
it's monstrous.
why paint him as a villain here? because this act is really horrifying. i don't think it's worth villifying either of them, but i think it's worth understanding that dean has tricked sam, is forcing this thing on sam that sam doesn't want, this thing that might (he believes truly could) kill him, and doing so despite the fact that the outcome could (again, based on what information he believes at the time) cost all of humanity in the war against demons.
as i said, it's narratively interesting, but i don't think there's any point in pretending it's not messy and wrong and fucked up of him to do. just like i don't believe there's any point in pretending that sam drinking demon blood wasn't also fucked up and wrong and messy despite his rationalizations for it. they're both awful to each other this season and it culminates in a horrible throw-down and the literal start of the apocalypse. why reduce that to either of them being totally right or totally wrong or completely the villain or the hero?
is that your penis in your hand or is it my penis. you and i have begun to blur
not to be evil but I don’t understand the argument that johndean has a lack of canonfuel just as much as I don’t understand the argument that johndean is fully canonical. like most acts of incestuous abuse, it exists only peripherally in the text and is largely up to interpretation
“why is the number one johndean image actually an image of dean and azazel” because azazel’s thematic role in supernatural is The Incestuous Incursion. he makes the gothic incestuous undertones explicit. because he possesses family members instead of being a member of the family, he provides narrative plausible deniability as to the reality of incest and abuse while bringing those same things into the foreground. come on man think a little
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I love that Sam and Dean are so weird in canon that half of the weirdcest headcanons we make are really just one step further from what we actually saw them do. Like, canon Dean started watching hentai in front of Sam and handed him a glass of whiskey as though to say “pull up a chair, join me.” It’s so easy to think “I bet Dean was the first person to show Sam porn when he was growing up, I bet they’ve watched together more than once.” It’s so easy to think “I bet Sam spied on Dean having sex when he was a teenager” because canon gifted us with one of the brothers walking in on the other having sex not once, not twice, but THREE TIMES. It’s just barely a leap to imagine so many things because they were onscreen being Like That all the time like… goddamn, we got fed so well.
Ah hah. That's my boy.
YOU, a Supernatural fan: have you seen SPN: The Animation?
I'm a fan and HAVE seen it
I'm a fan and have NOT seen it
I'm a fan and have seen at least a few episodes
I'm a fan and I had no idea it existed
Not a supernatural fan/other/bald
In which SPN era was Dean most likely to end up in the ER with a penis injury? (Reblog with *why* in the tags, pls!)
Seasons 1-2
Season 3
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Season 8
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Season 15
It’s becoming very very funny that regardless of when folks think it happened, they know it didn’t happen in Season 8