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You call yourself a free spirit, a “wild thing,” and you’re terrified somebody’s gonna stick you in a cage. Well baby, you’re already in that cage. You built it yourself. And it’s not bounded in the west by Tulip, Texas, or in the east by Somali-land. It’s wherever you go. Because no matter where you run, you just end up running into yourself.
Truman Capote, Breakfast at Tiffany’s
Types in Depth #7: ENTP
Moving back onto familiar territory, the ENTP (Familiar because I use all the functions the ENTP does, but in a different order). Because the next two will be ENTP and INTP, I expect(ed) they’ll go faster. But I overestimated my own INTPness. Oops. Sorry.
So, here comes to extraverted cousins of the INTP: the ENTP.
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The dominant Ne (extraverted intuition) gives the ENTP a breadth of objective pattern recognition skills. There is no inhibition on the Ne (except maybe the Si, the inferior function, and whatever Si has determined to be an absolute, the Ne using ENTP will not budge on), so the ENTP naturally can easily connect the most farfetched ideas and concepts, seeing patterns, breaking patterns, potentially everywhere. In this aspect, ENTP will seem very similar to the ENFP. Thus it is potentially imperative that the ENTP develops his/her auxiliary function, Ti, in order to cull out what is sound pattern from unsound ones, to discern inconsistencies within thoughts, theories, and even conclusions. This is different from the ENFP, who needs to develop Fi in order to prioritize and champion for the goals ENFP deems worthy. This is how they can differ, and once they each learn to rely more on their auxiliary function to process thoughts accurately, they’ll be able to narrow down their endless amount of brainstorming ability and achieve some level of permanence and consistency in their thoughts.
The ENTP according to Keirsey, is in the NT group, or “Rationals.” Of course, like the INTJ, ENTP can only really be considered to be rational thinker once and if they develop their Ti, which allows them to become more effective in their ability to create systems of logically consistent and objective thought. Until then, it is highly likely, that the ENTP will function more as Devil’s Advocate and trollTM than “rational thinker,” and will have symptoms similar to ADD/ADHD due to Ne-Fe looping, which may seem as class clowning or much more “feely” than the traditional thinkers. For example, many Ne-Fe looping females may have trouble handling interpersonal frictions despite the need and desire to discuss and debate (which can sometimes end in contentious states). There are other problems associated with the looping ENTP (as it is for ENFP, but we’ll get to that below).
According to The Myers & Briggs Foundation, approximately 2-5% of the general U.S. population, with males (3-7%) outnumbering females (2-4%). This is a general trend though, by the way. Generally, for whatever reason, more females test/type as feelers than thinkers, so thinker women will be rarer than thinker men and feeler women. Same for feeler men, although the distribution of men typing as feeler is more evenly matched to that of the thinker men, even if thinker men outweigh the feeler men. There is no real explanation for this at the moment.
Anyway, the developed ENTP will process information in this order Ne>Ti>Fe>Si. Unhealthy ENTP will process information via Ne-Fe loop, or even through Si grip, at which point, ENTP will likely suffer paranoia associated with their health where they feel sick or out of balance within themselves, but it’s seemingly undetectable under medical examination (or have an outright health breakdown), or become stubborn about facts and figures, or processes.
So, we will examine how the healthy ENTP functions, and unhealthy ENTP functions, and what triggers the Si grip in ENTPs, like before.
The ENTP’s dominant function is Ne. Ne, like in ENFPs, is unfiltered and serves no other function except its own. This in theory, allows ENTP great ability to recognize patterns and make instant intuitive leaps on thoughts, systems, and even reality (on a side note, as INTP, my Ne serves the Ti, so I don’t get such width/breadth in the use of Ne as ENTPs/ENFPs do, and sometimes I get jealous of that. Sometimes, I don’t). Anyway, the ENTP can process the tremendous amount of data the ENTP picks up on every minute/second from his/her environment, whether that is through books, environment, or even people. Then the ENTP uses Ti to ask, “is this true? Is this false?” which will help the ENTP cull out what is real from what is unreal, or true from what is false. This will help ENTP help with the reduction of possibilities and competing thoughts/ideas. Then, using Fe, ENTP can test out the perceived “truth,” which will eventually lead to the creation of the ENTP’s ability to establish new “Si,” or in this case, new permanent standard of doing things.
Ne as already covered in the ENFP, is an extensive observation process which is geared toward objective intuitive observation. What does this mean? Ne creates observation in the immediate environment much like Se users, but they’re always aware of what is not being seen, said, heard, and always making random connections, which can lead to great brainstorming abilities. Also, as Ne tends to be removed from concrete reality (Se) and tends to operate with subjective memory/physical state/history, like other NPs, ENTPs are not well aware of the present or good at objective “concrete” observation. You tried to sit ENTP still for like an hour? They die a little (that’s joke, ha ha).
But in reality, ENTPs exist for a reason, and their brainstorming ability, coupled with their auxiliary Ti, can make them truly broad-minded yet systematically consistent, which can potentially create an intellectual who can handle tremendous amount of conflicting data and observation, culling it, and be charismatic enough to establish a new norm in the effected industry/neighborhood/society.
But that’s the healthy ENTP, and sadly, I’ve not met many of those. So why don’t we focus on the unhealthy or the developing ENTPs?
Ne-Fe Loop
Like I remember saying with ENFPs, ENTP needs a narrowing/introverting function to cull the truly expansive mind they have. When the ENTP skips Ti introspection in favor of Fe, ENTP begins their route towards the unbalanced psyche where dooming inferior Si awaits (This is really dramatic; honestly, it’s not the end of the world to be in a grip, even if it feels like it). Ti, although needing development and preference in the ENTP, is still a very strong and preferable function to dealing with dominant level Ne strength. Fe on the other hand, as a tertiary function, does not have as much of an ability to handle the tremendous amount of data that Ne picks up on a daily, hourly, minute-by-minute basis. Ti with its ability/desire to seek consistency in data can cull out the correct Ne data from faulty Ne data, but without Ti, Ne would be bombarding Fe with simply too much information. Fe is a function that creates interpersonal relationships, meets needs (this is where the NTP desire to solve problems come from, by the way; NTPs want to meet the Fe needs of their community/environment by solving problems, which in turn helps them feel needed), distributes work so that everyone feels included and also contributes based on their talents and comforts, and feel validated by their distribution, and also be recognized/appreciated for them.
However, those in Ne-Fe loop rush in with all of their Ne ideas, which to the innocent bystander, will seem erratic, too off-the-wall, or even inconsistent/hypocritical. This is where the stereotype of famous NP types contradicting themselves in their first sentence come from. Had the ENTP taken the time alone to process his/her thoughts through Ti to detect inconsistencies and consistencies and establish a basic internal logical framework to work off of, it would naturally be more polished, consistent, and easier to “spread” or communicate to a third party. But when in Ne-Fe mode, ENTP sees the need to implement new ideas everywhere, and suggests lots and lots of things to people, only to see nothing getting done, and people being irritated from ENTP constantly bombarding them with Ne.
Furthermore, this looping behavior makes it nearly impossible for the ENTP to get anything done, because they do not care about establishing an internal structure, opposing ideas and patterns can essentially cause self-sabotaging behavior in the ENTP, and hinder the ENTP’s desire to establish a new social norm (inferior/aspirational Si). You may see this a lot in the ENTP/ENFP types, where they have a million different ideas they want to manifest, but a lot of them are in conflict with each other, some of them are not quite possible at the moment, and some will seem possible to carry out, yet they won’t (as INTP, when I listen to ENTPs talk about their plans, it is always very interesting, but I can’t help but wonder how they plan to manifest as I see too many loopholes/incompleteness within them). ENTP certainly have the energy to manifest their ideas, but this very energy can burn them out if they don’t take the time to build their introverted thinking function.
Instead of being recognized for their insight and brilliant brainstorming capabilities, they’re likely to be ignored, be known as being annoying, or even shunned; tertiary Fe can make the user appear like trolls (and they often don’t mind being one, which only exacerbates the issue at hand), all, while the weight of attacks ENTP faces begin to pile on the ENTP. This eventually leads to…
Si Grip
Very similar to the ENFP; ENTP will physically crash, become reclusive, engage in repetitive behaviors, and become stubborn in certain areas. They will appear like very unhealthy ISFJs almost; unable to handle criticisms by anyone (even if valid, which ENTP would normally be okay with as Fe is lower in the ENTP’s function stack). They also will have trouble handling conflicts (even if they’re not the instigators), and will hide themselves away from the very people and adventure in thoughts they so crave. They will also find themselves having trouble coming up with new ideas which seemed like a well at one point.
When Si grip hits, a lot of ENTPs will initially show signs of hypochondria, and some of them will actually deal with a lot of physical problems. Due to Si being their inferior function, they’re usually not at all aware of their internal states, or maintain habits that can maintain one’s health (Si and Fe usually takes care of those). As a result, these things can unfortunately catch up with them, making them realize the importance of balancing the Ne and Si. The normally spunky ENTP will look almost depressed (and I mean… to some extent, they are); refuse to get out of their repetitive behavior pattern, and will think about the “good ‘ol days” despite not actually remembering as much. Unlike the SJ types whose Si is much stronger and preferred, the ENTP’s version of Si is highly likely to be off since they don’t stay in touch too often with them. ENTP’s Si is like… a muggle imagining the good ‘ol days at Hogwarts; it didn’t happen, it is riddled with false impressions, and contrast sharply to that of say, SJs, who would be more like the wizards that did go to Hogwarts; in the sense that the SJs actually do remember more accurately and knew exactly how it was in the good ‘ol days compared with the ENTP.
It doesn’t change the fact that they’ll still believe what their Si shows to be true, however. They will eventually need to get out though, as being in a grip is simply unproductive and draining way of life. Eventually, ENTP’s Ne will start firing again, and ENTP will get to leave the dreaded Si state. But when ENTP is in Si grip, a good way to get out of it, is to meet their Fe needs (connect with people, be reassured that they’re not jackasses, take care of their basic needs) But also, to engage in Ti. Si Grip in ENTP will tire them out pretty quickly, and they will find that they don’t have much energy to stay in such state. ENTP should take care of Fe needs for themselves; exercise, eat well, establish some basic schedule to optimize their bodily states (which I understand, is very difficult for someone with inferior Si, but even a simple sleep schedule/eating schedule/exercise schedule is generally enough to fulfill that Si need in ENTPs). As the ENTP meets the inferior Si needs, he/she will find that the Ne begins to come alive for them again. They’ll start becoming inspired, have more ideas, have a desire to learn; however, to prevent falling back into this cycle of Ne-Fe loops and Si grips, it is paramount that the ENTP learns not to overextend the Fe process, but let it assist Ti, which must be accessed consciously to weed out inconsistent ideas. It may seem a bit depressing at first for the ENTP to do this, but it is vital if ENTP is to gain some control over themselves and innovate.
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Ti will help ENTP’s exhausted psyche relax. Which if you’re a Ti using individual, you’ll think, “What?” But Ti will take off the tremendous load of heavy weight that Ne can put on the much weaker and less preferred Fe and Si, and help bring ENTP calmness, clear-mindedness, and eventually have ENTP brainstorming and creating new systems of thoughts that will meet needs and be established as new norm.
It is kind of interesting that… so many NPs actually feel so powerless, uncontrolled, and feel ridiculed by society, yet they are the very people that society needs to continue development and prevent stagnation (and therefore instability). NPs often complain about feeling useless, unproductive, and under-respected, yet there’s so much untapped potential in them, that if they don’t do the work themselves and bring themselves out to meet the challenge, they’d not only be doing themselves disservice, they’d be doing society a disservice.
What a predicament. Finally… INTP next. Thank you.
Is Enfp being afraid of change Si grip? I spend years of being isolated and doing nothing because of various reasons,and now i even though i crave change in my life im kinda scared of it and find myself not having strenght for it.I generally love trying new things and i like novelty but it changed alot and its weird. Also can you tell me what would healthy and unhelthy inferior Si look like?
Healthy inferior Si: I reflect, focus, and build careful knowledge before I use it in the world. I have learned not to be as impulsive and to consider the details before I involve myself in difficult projects. I have learned to take care of my physical needs and adopt little routines to keep myself mentally and physically healthy. I am careful to double-check my sources and facts, and I devote the necessary time and effort into finishing my projects.
Unhealthy inferior Si: I tend to leap into things, caress of the details, and often back out of or drop projects because I soon got bored with the practical side of things. I have no routine and neglect my physical health through bad eating / sleeping / exercise habits. I only think about the past in negative ways and then am prone to over-focusing on my own previous mistakes, and wondering if I made the wrong choices. My knowledge is full of holes, since I have no real system for organizing or remembering information.
In the Grip: I feel like I have zero interest in anything anymore and I just want to be alone. No one understands or cares about me. I cannot get past obsessing over this one issue, which has me totally freaked out. I cannot shift my mind from details, ideas, feelings, or past decisions or mistakes. All my thoughts have become uncharacteristically negative. I can’t make it stop. I’m anxious, fussy, nitpicky, and impatient. I feel like I’ll never finish anything, that I don’t have time to do what I want to do, and I’m pretty sure I’m dying of some exotic disease.
(Yes, you do sound like you’re falling into Si a fair bit, but you could also have an anxious Enneagram in your triad – such as 5 or 6 to make you cautious.)
- ENFP Mod
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ENTPs be like
Identifying Your Inferior Function
Here is a brief description of what each function is like as an inferior. Your dominant function may be so second nature to you that you do not even notice it, so trying to identify your inferior may help you find your type.
Inferior Fe: I’m not good at dealing with other people’s feelings. I can have emotional explosions when under extreme stress. I don’t mind offending someone with the truth, but I feel uncomfortable when my relationships are in turmoil.
Inferior Fi: When under extreme stress, I can be overwhelmed with emotions that I don’t know how to handle. I lose my drive and feel listless. I don’t always pay attention to where I’m trying to go because I’m trying so hard to get things done.
Inferior Te: I procrastinate and have a hard time finishing things. I’m really disorganized, but sometimes I get stressed and want to put things in order. I tend to snap at people and become harsh under pressure.
Inferior Ti: I like to understand why people do the things they do. People doing things that don’t make sense to me is so frustrating. I can feel like I’m going around and around in circles trying to figure something out when I’m under stress.
Inferior Ne: I like to feel secure. Stress causes me to start thinking about things that could go wrong, and I get overwhelmed and worry. Sometimes I need a push to get me to do things because I’m focusing on worst-case scenarios.
Inferior Ni: I like to enjoy my life and not worry too much about the future. When I get really stressed out though, the future seems bleak and unchangeable. I can start to worry about something that might never even happen, but it feels inevitable at the time.
Inferior Se: I’m not good at making fast decisions and like to have time to think. I try not to overindulge. Try being the key word. I have a weakness for junk food, and sometimes I watch four seasons of a TV show in three days.
Inferior Si: I’m usually not very good with details, but when I’m under a lot of stress I focus on them. I get so picky and want to do everything just right.
Underdeveloped vs developed inferior functions
By developing our inferior functions, we can free ourselves from black and white thinking and genuinely grow and develop as individuals. (But I’ve heard not everyone likes that.:))
This post succinctly points out underdeveloped versus developed inferior functions.
‘Underdeveloped (cognitive function)’ sections focus on defensive use of dominant function against inferior function.
‘Integration of (cognitive function)’ sections focus on how dominant function looks like when it no longer resists but listens to the advice given by the inferior function.
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Inferior Ne (ISTJ, ISFJ):
Underdeveloped Ne, overextended use of Si:
Aversion to novelty: I have difficulty improving my life because I do not pay enough mind to envisioning how I can do things differently and acting upon good ideas for progress.
Driving insecurity: I am insecure and fuss over rules/details because I fear overlooking anything that might unexpectedly destabilize me or expose my insecurities.
Destructive Si expression: I believe I am defined by the worst of my past mistakes/experiences and resign myself to being that.
Integration of Ne:
Openness to new developments: my hard-won expertise can handle most situations and I welcome new challenges as a chance to add to my knowledge base.
Inferior Si (ENTP, ENFP):
Underdeveloped Si, overextended use of Ne:
Aversion to convention: I have difficulty learning well because I do not pay enough mind to observing important details, rules, procedures, conventions, or good advice.
Driving insecurity: I am insecure and erratic because fear of boredom/smallness drives me to make careless, unhealthy, and/or impractical decisions.
Destructive Ne expression: I use my imagination to weasel out of work and responsibility, thus sabotaging my own growth and happiness.
Integration of Si:
Openness to careful developments and acceptance of sensible reality constraints: Though I think big, I can still carry out my good ideas and achieve satisfying progress because I think of creative ways to work within and around my constraints.
Inferior Se (INTJ, INFJ):
Underdeveloped Se, overextended use of Ni:
Aversion to the ever-changing: I have difficulty seeing value in, appreciating and adapting to the constant flux of life because merely reacting to daily corporeal demands amounts to an unsatisfying and meaningless existence.
Driving insecurity: I am insecure and evasive because I fear not living up to imagined ideals and being confronted with my own confusion, nothingness, or imperfections.
Destructive Ni expression: I superimpose my beliefs/ideas onto the world because I do not require any evidence to know that my gut feelings are fundamental truths.
Integration of Se:
Openness to interesting opportunities and firsthand experiences: I always make the most of what comes my way because I appreciate that time is limited and good opportunities are rare and should not be wasted.
Inferior Ni (ESTP, ESFP):
Underdeveloped Ni, overextended use of Se:
Aversion to careful thought: I have difficulty making wise decisions because I do not pay enough mind to clarifying my thoughts and caring for a positive vision of my future self.
Driving insecurity: I am insecure and hasty because fear of missing out or fear of being blindsided drives me to make rash and/or reckless decisions.
Destructive Se expression: I do whatever feels good in the moment, consequences be damned.
Integration of Ni:
Openness to exploring implications and abstract meaning of events: I live my best life because I prioritize well, set meaningful long term goals, and possess the necessary focus for gradually working towards my aspirations.
Inferior Te (ISFP, INFP):
Underdeveloped Te, overextended use of Fi:
Aversion to perceived loss of integrity and individuality: I have difficulty getting my life organized because I do not pay enough mind to structuring my thoughts, setting good goals, and planning out my activities.
Driving insecurity: I am insecure and unstable because I fear losing myself if I do not do whatever my feelings urge me to do.
Destructive Fi expression: I am imprisoned by negative feelings and my misguided value judgments/belief system.
Integration of Te:
Openness to remedy the distortions of subjective feeling judgments in order to be effective in reducing suffering: my moral instincts are very reliable in helping me channel my individuality, feelings, values, or passions into fruitful and beneficial activities.
Inferior Ti (ESFJ, ENFJ):
Underdeveloped Ti, overextended use of Fe:
Aversion to careful independent impersonal analysis: I have difficulty forming accurate judgments on my own because I do not pay enough mind to impartially assessing the facts and logically analyzing cause-effect.
Driving insecurity: I am insecure and oversensitive because I cannot draw appropriate emotional boundaries and only understand others by how they make me feel or whether they validate me.
Destructive Fe expression: I exploit people’s feelings and vulnerabilities for my own self-centered benefit and/or express myself with little regard for the social impact.
Integration of Ti:
Openness to impersonal problem solving: I treat people objectively (separate from myself despite my own emotional investment) and know how to make a positive contribution to every relationship.
Inferior Fe (ISTP, INTP):
Underdeveloped Fe, overextended use of Ti:
Aversion to possible constraints on independence: I have difficulty connecting emotionally with others because I do not pay enough mind to their needs/feelings until blindsided by a problem or accused of insensitivity.
Driving insecurity: I am hypercritical because insecurity about being wrong/criticized drives me to prove that I am (more) intelligent, rational, or knowledgeable.
Destructive Ti expression: I use my knowledge and skills in an unethical/harmful manner because I am only responsible to myself.
Integration of Fe:
Openness to feedback, alternative point of views and collaboration: I have clarity of judgment and possess the skills to construct accurate and precise mental models for guiding me in solving problems flexibly and strategically, all while showing genuine compassion and fostering a sense of equality among people.
Inferior Fi (ESTJ, ENTJ):
Underdeveloped Fi, overextended use of Te:
Aversion to vulnerability: I have difficulty acting in ways that promote emotional well-being because I do not pay enough mind to my feelings and values when decision making.
Driving insecurity: I am insecure and controlling because I fear ambiguity, powerlessness, and/or the impotence of not measuring up to externally defined standards of success.
Destructive Te expression: I abuse my power/position to get what I want and/or believe that the weak get what they deserve.
Integration of Fi:
Openness to adopting a more sensitive approach to problem-solving; acceptance of personal flaws and shortcomings: I am a competent leader and a good role model because I know the right approach and attitude to achievement, accomplishment, and success.
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(Most of the content is taken from mbti-notes.)
Inferior Si Problems
Pilot: Thanks for taking this flight with us, we hope to see you again. Have a great day.
Everyone: *Takes personal belongings and prepare to leave the plane*
Me: *Makes sure I have everything and am absolutely ready to leave*
Me: *Reached near the luggage claiming area*
Si: I think you forgot your bag, is it there?
Me: I’m putting it on right now
Si: Check
Me: *pokes and bag* *still skeptical* *squeezes it*
Si: I’m still skeptical but ok.. Did you check if you have your phone?
Me: *opens the bag, it’s right there*
Si: I’m not satisfied, check again.
Me: *opens bag again and checks, nothing new*
Si: It was a hallucination bro check if you have your phone
Me: *checks again* *twitches*
Si: I think you forgot your bag
Me: I’M WEARING IT RIGHT NOW
Si: CHECK
This happens to me often idk about you guys
The MBTI types apologize
When NTs mess up
The types during quarantine
Going completely insane: ESTP, ESFP, ENTJ
Bummed, but taking advantage of the time: ISFJ, ESFJ, ENFJ, ISTJ, ESTJ
Going between being super productive and super lazy with no middle ground: INFP, ENFP, INFJ, ENTP, ISFP
Has anything really changed??: INTP, ISTP, INTJ
can confirm that this is 100% scientifically correct. trust me i am an expert ™