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@exclusionistsnom
Are you proship?
I wonder is there a connection between being proship and being ace or ace inclusive/ally? Or have i just happened to see a lot of pro ship aces.
I think the connection is the “everyone and everything is valid and if you think otherwise you’re committing a hate crime” mentality and a lack of critical thinking skills
“Not a whit” end me
If my partner turned to me and he said I’m not sexually attracted to you you’re just good at making me cum I’d feel so used has the person who made this comic actually had this conversation with a person
i have been thinking about making a post like this for a while now and haven’t wanted to because i have wanted to stay out of ace discourse because of how traumatizing participinating in it was for me but seeing that post about the LGBT kid being doxxed over a joke about virgins is really making me feel some kind of a way
people really do not want to grasp why any LGBT person would have concerns over blanket-inclusion of a group that includes cishet people and boil it down to “you vehemently hate ace people/want to destroy the ace community”. although there are certainly exclusionists that i’ve encountered that are actually toxic towards ace people, there are countless more who have no hatred for LGBT ace people and/or are ace themselves, but have concerns with broad inclusion because of the inclusion of cishet aces and the rampant attitudes of homophobia, serophobia, lesbophobia, and other issues in the ace community.
i didn’t start participating in ace discourse because i hated ace people - at the time i was 15, i thought i was demisexual, i grew up around teens who thought they were asexual, and since my introduction to the LGBT community it had been a given to me that ace people were all in the community. i started to see some mentions of ace discourse on my dash around 2015 and reacted negatively, trying to engage with “aphobes” on my dash. i participated in the harassment campaign against GLAAD when they posted about ally week, a campaign that called for people to refuse to fund a majorly important organization in our community, something to this day i am ashamed of believing and participating in. When I asked exclusionists on my dash questions about why they felt the way they did, they responded in ways that made sense to me, linking to me things about AVEN’s homophobic past and breaking down the systemic differences between homophobia/transphobia and aphobia.
when i was still unsure but starting to actually hear what people were saying, i started asking things like “okay, why are ace people inherently LGBT?” and posted about not being sure anymore how i felt about ace discourse. i was almost immediately bombarded with harassment, hate speech, death threats, rape threats, accusations of being a hateful aphobia, suicide baiting, etc. I was 15. I was horrified by how readily people would dogpile and torment me over trying to clarify the reasons for a position i had always held. that was the final push towards agreeing flat out with exclusionists.
in the three or four years i participated in ace discourse, i went from someone who tried to politely and civilly engage with people to someone who was bitter, angry, and antagonistic. it was some of the most toxic and self destructive years of my life. i was sent hate mail every day. i had people wishing i would kill myself every day. i was harassed my adults much older than i was while i was still a teenager. people threatened to dox me and (unsuccessfully) attempted to do so while i was in an abusive home, much like that kid in the recentdiscord drama. when i was 16, a blog run by two popular inclusionist adults accused me of being a sexual predator out of nowhere, harassed me to try and force me to “prove” i wasn’t, and only when other people came to my defense backed off but refused to apologize because i “triggered a mod’s anxiety” for lashing out during panic attacks because i was a kid being falsely accused of rape by adults i had never interacted with. people told me i should get AIDs and die. people told me i was “destined to become a rapist because i wasn’t asexual”. people told me i was so stupid because my mom must have been a crack addict. cis people called me a terf. i watched another 14 year old get false accusations of sexual assault by the same adults that harassed me. people threatened to gang rape me, or kill me, or just called me slurs. the constant harassment i received regardless of my attitude in discourse turned me angry. i wasn’t angry because i just hated ace people. i didn’t want to exclude people for shits and giggles. the blatant homophobia the ace community used as a tool in ace discourse (or just in popular jokes and attitudes online [“gay people should be grateful we can donate blood during the Orlando Shooting”, “if i saw an exclusionist in real life i would break their neck/slit their throat/ace discourse makes me want to bring a gun to pride”]) only solidified my stance rather than convince me the ace community actually has genuine kinship with the LGBT community.
seeing LGBT minors are STILL getting doxxed today over something as stupid as a virgin joke is horrifying but not shocking. if you’re reading this and just want to come in with “aces aren’t cishet” or “that sucked but aphobia is-” you are missing the point. my experience is not a unique one. the homophobia in popular ace jokes or popular inclusionist reactions to ace discourse (or virgin jokes) is not an edge case. i do not think “every ace person” is homophobic or needs to be held responsible for the actions of other people in the community. but if you see no problem with any of this and are an inclusionist you DO need to ask yourself where your priorities are and why the homophobia of this kind doesn’t phase you at all.
beautifully said and i really hope this is okay to add on to. i’ve also been out of discourse for a long while and have no interest in re-engaging but it was an extremely toxic and difficult time period/environment to be in as a young teenager (i was 13-15). every single person i was friends with in the discourse, including myself, experienced a slew of false and baseless accusations, threats of doxxing or outing, and/or extreme amounts of death threats and hate.
my main gripe with inclusionists was always that ace discourse seemed to overtake any other morals they previously had. antisemitism and homophobia were both rampant and defended simply because their targets were exclusionists. i watched friends of mine who “switched sides” abandon their morals as well, reblogging from and engaging with users who had already been outed as antisemites or pedophiles (some specific names come to mind in that regard- extremely popular inclusionists whose popularity remained untouched despite saying some of the most vile shit i have ever heard). even now, looking back in the least biased way i possibly could, this wasn’t a pattern ever present in exclusionist spaces- see, for example, our community reaction to discourseprincesa.
doxxing LGBT minors- a move all too common for inclusionists- always struck me as a similar abandonment of morals. op said this better than i could so i’m just going to quote them: “if you see no problem with any of this and are an inclusionist you DO need to ask yourself where your priorities are and why the homophobia of this kind doesn’t phase you at all”. where are the boundaries on discourse? at what point do you realize people’s lives aren’t your playthings or tools?
So the hentaisexual gets undertanding parents but the rest of us gets the homophobes huh?
This is fucking insane
read this, now tell me god is real
Some fucking amazing examples of brain rot in the notes here, boys.
Making fun of ace people will never be funny. I don’t give a shit if people are misunderstanding that the problem is that he’s misogynistic not queer, you making fun of those people is not funny.
Actually making fun of misogynistic cishets is hilarious and not fucking doesn’t give you a right to use slurs
some random inclus: you aren’t welcome at pride, you evil gatekeeper! you’re a q*eerphobe aphobe arophobe and you don’t belong in my LGBTQIA+++ community!
me, completely secure in the knowledge that no one can ever take away my status as an LGBT person because it isn’t a goddamn club:
If you think about it, cishet inclusionism is wildly self absorbed
Cishet aces/aros want to feel special so they wormed their way into the community and decided to call US bigoted for not wanting them here, then decide they can be homophobic and transphobic on the grounds that tbey are ace so its okay if they are grossed out by gay sex and trans people. Its just a hugely selfish movement and i cant believe so many lgbt people have fallen for it
today’s hot take
The comments are like “if you aren’t ace don’t speak about ace experiences” hun according to the descriptions of ‘demi’ and ‘gray ace’ I am ace, along with every other person who doesn’t visualize themselves fucking strangers. So it turns out I have every right to call it bullshit
Experience: Learning the right way to connect the dots.
This is the best representation of something I have been trying to explain to people for years!!!! Saving this to my phone so I can routinely pull it out when I need.
So if you look in the lower right-hand corner of that last panel with the unicorn, you’ll see that it looks like something was erased or pasted over. Know why? Because this isn’t the original version of the cartoon.
This is:
Yeah, that’s right. This entire strip is a comment on antisemtism and y’all changed it to be more “fun” and deleted the artist’s signature in the process. So anyway, this isn’t just some helpful infographic or a silly meme, it’s a commentary on how Jews have been getting blamed for world’s ills for 2,000 years, and whoever erased that panel can fuck right off for eternity.
oops you're easily offended by a simple question
Nah, just tired of sealioning.
Anyways, ace individuals are fine. There’s nothing of moral value negatively or positively in not experiencing sexual attraction. It is a frankly irrelevant piece of information, the same way I don’t care about how people experience any of other facet of their sex life or lack thereof. I do not judge people on how they feel about sex unless it deal with rape.
But I have major issue with anyone who claims that cisgender straight people who don’t feel sexual attraction have a spare orientation that magically makes them LGBT despite oppressing Lesbians, Gay Men, Bisexuals, and Trans and Nonbinary people. I have major issues with ace rhetoric sexualizing LGBT identities. I have major issues with ace rhetoric that you can healthily fuck people you aren’t sexually attracted to and date people you aren’t romantically attracted to, seeing as that is rhetoric taken directly from conversion therapy where LGBT people are told to forego their feelings and marry into a straight relationship and remain closeted.
I have issues with the idea that 10-18 year olds are being told that they are oppressed for being disinterested in sex or romance and that if you haven’t finished puberty yet, you’re LGBT and are Different From Your Peers which is fearmongering and just... fucking offensive.
I object to ace rhetoric that sexual orientation is about your relationship to sexual intercourse when sexual orientation/ the suffix sexual is about sex as in gender.
I have issues with the ace history of uses the holocaust imagery in their flags and symbols on AVEN. Of using stripes in their flags so people associate them with LGBT people “but not too much.”
I take issue with aces comparing cishet exclusion to TERFs excluding trans women from women’s spaces.When one is LGBT people protecting themselves from their oppressors and the other is cis people treating those they oppress like fucking shit and leading to actual real life violence and suffering.
I take issue with ace inclusion going hand in hand with the corporate take over and pride and liberalism in mainstream LGBT activism.
I’m tired of ace inclusion rhetoric being identical to kink, polyamous, intersex, and pedophile inclusion rhetoric.
I’m tired of people thinking it’s okay o tell strangers and minors their relationship to sex.
i’m tired of those same people thinking that when I use the word bisexual instead of biromantic I am also telling people who I want to fuck when bisexual isn’t about sex.
I’m tired of cowards like you on anon--the only reason you’re on my blog is because I was brave enough to message someone off anon to call them out for clogging shit up by crying “ACES ARE VALID!”
When... validity means nothing. Just like the word asexual. Asexual can mean doesn’t experience sexual attraction (except if you’re grey, demi, cupio, lithro.. then yeah you can) but does experience romantic attraction, doesn’t experience ANY attraction (unless you’re grey, demi, etc), or just doesn’t want sex. I’m tired of people whose words mean nothing going into the LGBT community and trying to make OUR words mean nothing through shit like the split attraction model or claiming cishets can reclaim queer. All to promote the idea of microidentities that supposedly make you more “queer” the more you identify with them even tho a solid 20% of them just mean shit like “so addicted to porn you can’t get off to real people anymore.”
So, yeah, if you don’t feel sexual attraction, I have no fucking issue with you. But if you support ace rhetoric and the ace community’s destruction of language around sexuality and LGBT identities, then, that’s what I have an issue with.
Not aceness. But ace “activism” which isn’t about destroying rape culture or promoting enthusiastic consent in sex (which I would support) but rather about bullying LGBT people for not including every fucking scatter brained hot take the cishets at the helm of your community can come up with in between watching episodes of Camp Camp and Steven Universe.
That enough for you?
big reason to say that being ace/aro is not like being lgbt is as follows
[Image ID: Three hands, each grabbing the other’s wrists to form a triangle. The hands are labeled ‘Sex Favorable Aces’, ‘Sex Neutral Aces’, and ‘Sex Repulsed Aces’. The center of the triangle is labeled ‘Still Being Fucking Asexual’. End Image ID]
[ image ID: An animated rantsona, and individual with a dark ponytail, orange shirt, a sipping out of a small teacup, over an aromantic flag, with words as follows - aromanticism is the lack of romantic attraction. Aro people can be romance repulsed, neutral, favourable, or a mix of the three. it all depends on the person. End image id ]
both of these boil down to - my label involves specifically NOT this (no sexual or romantic attraction, respectively)
gay people are not "different gender repulsed / neutral / favourable" we are simply attracted to the same gender (and nonbinary ppl depending) and therefore not,,,,, to others
bi people are not attracted to all genders but attracted to one gender "favourable / neutral / repulsed " we are simply attracted to all genders
the fact that you can say this and that so many people can relate speak to a. the fact that being ace/aro doesnt create a social solidarity based on oppression like being lgbt does, and b. that you veiw labels as a function of individuals experience of the self, rather than as a description of your function / communication of who you are in society's context
the fact that ace/aro ppl have come so far in terms of representation / visibility (on the backs of lgbt ppl mostly), faced such little backlash when compared to lgbt ppl, and still have so fucking little in common to rally around makes it abundantly clear that being ace/aro is NOTHING like being lgbt
There are straight aces
There are straight aces
Saying aces can’t be straight would mean that you also think aces can’t be gay or bi either
Implying that being asexual means you can’t id “fully” with any orientation, that being gay or bi or straight requires a certain level of sexual attraction. And if an ace doesn’t feel that then they aren’t really whatever orientation they claim to be
Saying aces can’t be straight but they can be gay is a contradiction and it’s transparent that you’re just trying to distance cis straight aces from the privilege they have of being cis and straight.
cishet gay or lesbian
pfft stupid exclus they clearly don’t know what the lgbt acronym stands for
L - L-Asexual
G - G-asexual
B - B-Asexual
T - T-Asexual
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“kick aphobes out of lgbt spaces” kick actual gay and trans people out of their safe spaces so cishets can feel better about themselves? sorry jan not how it works
Inclus really still reblogging animefacialrecognitionsoftware...really just excusing racism and antisemitism to own the exclusies huh...
