Okay dude justâŚno. To all of this.
As a man, have to say this is one the saddest displays of misandry Iâve ever seen.
As a woman who honestly tries to combat misandry I think youâre incredibly wrong.
Iâve had more than my share of experiences with being treated like a villain for literally no reason just because women are too fucking retarded to tell the difference between their feelings and reality.
Dude what the actual fuck? Some of these men were legitimately acting in ways that were coercive or socially inappropriate, to the point where even as someone on the autism spectrum I can recognize as such.
And note that this isnât just about gift-giving; itâs about a man standing by a womanâs apartment door for hours and her seeing him waiting for her in the hall. If I saw a random person standing by my house/apartment just waiting for me I would be creeped out, not because itâs an icky man but because I donât know them and they could be waiting to harm me.
Then thereâs the men fetishizing âexotic nerd girls,â there is no excuse for this. Having a preference to certain women is one thing but you can still do that without fetishizing people.
And protip: calling women âfucking retardedâ for feeling creeped out at inappropriate romantic gestures and saying they canât âtell the difference between their feelings and realityâ is not making you, as a man, look good, especially when you want to claim misandry to these women.
The irony here is that these women realize that such men are socially awkward loners but they donât make the connection between that and the gift giving being an act of naivety.
Iâm willing to give a few of these men the benefit of the doubt. Diamond Bracelet Guy and Birthstone Necklace Guy sounded like they were just incredibly clueless on how to approach women romantically, but that doesnât legitimize a woman turning them down or being put off by it.
The even greater irony is that these poor guys are acting on the same âbe nice to womenâ bullshit that feminists canât stop chanting.
You can be nice to women without resorting to grand romantic gestures that are only okay between two people in an established committed relationship. Be polite. Hold the door open for her. Be somewhat attentive to her feelings (eg. Birthstone Necklace Guy when the girl told him she needed time to get over her recent breakup). Being nice to women isnât limited to women youâre attracted to, either.
The even greater irony is that the dumb cunts running their mouths about how âhorribleâ these nice guys are have dated and fucked abusive men that pretended to be nice in the beginning.
Youâre not doing yourself any favors by calling women âdumb cunts,â especially women whoâve been in abusive relationships.
Not only that, they broke up with and got back together with them several times.
Abuse victims tend to grow attached to their abusers (be it out of love or some form of dependence) and at times donât even recognize theyâre being abused. This goes for men as well as women.
Notice the language Iâm using.
I am, and itâs not making you look good.
It wasnât patriarchy, or indoctrination, or anything I was told that caused me to develop negative attitudes towards women. It was women. It was learning the things that nobody tells you.
Women being in abusive relationships and the concept of âpatriarchyâ are two different things.
Women choose men who treat them like shit because they donât feel they deserve nice men.
You are straight-up victim-blaming abuse victims! Do you read some of the things you write?
Theyâre suspicious because they donât feel theyâve earned positive male attention. As the quote from Perks of a Wallflower states: âWe only accept the love we think we deserveâ and the psychology of feminist women, with obvious exceptions, consists of a miserable pile of insecurities sloppily melded into each other.
Abusive relationships donât happen because women purposely choose men who will beat and degrade them and make them feel like shit. They happen often because the victim did not know the person they fell in loved with would ever hurt them. Women do not intentionally seek out a man thinking âGee, I hope he hits me and treats me like an object!â they find a man who they think is good for them, and when he hits her, she will likely justify or dismiss it.
Again, you are victim-blaming women in abusive relationships and itâs really reflecting poorly on you.Â
Furthermore, some of these women are abusive to their boyfriends. I know Marina Shutup is absolutely horrible to hers. She seems to be so lacking in self-confidence that she demonstrated the same bitchy, eyerolling, diva cunt attitude she does to her boyfriend to Riley Dennis when she complimented Marinaâs hair. Kind of sad because I think sheâs really pretty, but who cares how pretty she is if she treats people like shit?
My question is, if âsome of these womenâ (read: those who reject âNice Guysâ like you) are abusive to their boyfriends, why do you care if they refuse to date affection-starved nerds? Or on the flip side, if victims purposely seek out abusers because they feel they donât deserve any better from their low self-esteem, why arenât these abusers specifically preying on these types of men? Wouldnât they make the perfect targets for their abuse?Â
Itâs also sad because many anti-feminists also hate on these nice guys and all for the same bullshit reasons: needless demonization and slander.
No, itâs not âbullshit reasons,â many of you Nice Guys arenât nearly as âniceâ as you think you are. When you want to victim-blame abuse survivors and call women âfucking retardedâ because they think a guy looming at the threshold of their home late at night is incredibly creepy, you donât exactly come off as a sweetheart.
Oh horror! Beware the hapless nerds who are acting out old courtship practices out of sheer naivety because they literally donât know how to socialize!
Giving an expensive piece of jewelry to a woman who barely knows you is not an âold courtship practice.â This is not about men offering to hold doors open for women or asking if they need help carrying something heavy, this is about men (socially awkward or not) showing an inappropriate level of closeness in how they approach women and being indignant when it doesnât instantly woo her and get her panties to drop.
Iâm sure theyâre secretly Sith lords who will take you away to their planet and enslave you if you go with them! Theyâre probably the most vile scoundrels in the galaxy⌠oh, wait! Theyâd actually get laid if they were that way.
Iâm going to have to agree with Lucy Westerna from Dracula on this one: women donât deserve good men. Have fun continually being an abuse victim by choosing shitty men and blaming nice guys so you can justify the way you treat these poor men.
This. This right here is exactly what the women above are talking about. You claim youâre just trying to be a gentleman, and that at worst you donât know any better on how to approach a woman you want to court, and then you go on to say we donât âdeserveâ nice men and âchooseâ shitty men on purpose.
Good men exist in this world, but you are most certainly not one of them.