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I think the whole of TVL is Lestat’ account on his life as a single parent!

THE father of the year Lestat:

Laughed at and criticised the way Louis talked or expressed his feelings in s1/2

Dressed Louis in comfortable clothes rather than fashionable ones.

Made Louis a businessman. And not a struggling photographer or an art major

Acted as if painful memories never happened when Louis tried to bring them up.

Reminded Louis to be grateful and respectful.

Disapproved of Lemuel and any other relationships.

Believed that he understands Louis better than anyone including Louis himself aka “thank you for loving him the way he needs”.

At the end of the day just wanted to hear “I love you.”

[fangsyfangs]

Gabriella is Louis’ QUEER NONNA

[fangsyfangs]

now hear me out

Stepmother Armand

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

Ex-wife/mother Akasha

[bifauxnenarmand]

I love the scene in amc tvl where loumand play video games with their adopted son The Rizzler

[gipki]

got struck with vampire sickness

(also this months patreon sticker(s))

[ldpdlarchives]

[gaypeople]

THIS HONEY BEE

[splashesdarling]

I want to do with you what spring does with the cherry trees.

[weather-mood]

Oh to live in a world where ‘Safe? Safe’ was setting up Lemuel coming to rescue Louis when Louis missed his check-in 😖

[drolta]

no because why is Lemuel leaning in so close!! arm around princess’ shoulders like he’s not playing about her!!!!!!!

[drolta]

[gaypeople]

PAUSE

[splashesdarling]

"Ok, miss you love you you too."

[ldpdlarchives]

[murfpersonalblog]

IWTVL S3 Musings - Stereotypes & Archetypes: The Pimp-to-Slave-to-Pimp Pipeline

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions

Intention =/= Execution

Intent =/= Impact

(RadioTimes, TVInsider, Vulture)

[murfpersonalblog]

IWTVL S3 Ep7 Musings - DARVO, the "Mutual Abuse" myth, and The Armends

[x x] Hannah Moscovitch said that Armand "had been done wrong" and "used in all sorts of ways by Louis."

[x] Rolin Jones said that Louis only "rightfully" hurt Armand 5-10%; and that he's 90-95% "partially responsible" for his own predicament (read: torture & abuse) and "owes" something to Armand for having his head up his own arse (read: grieving & PTSD).

[x] Rolin Jones said "the twist" of Armand planning this elaborate years-long revenge was to for "Louis to finally understand the depth of the damage he’s inflicted on Armand, which prompts him to make genuine amends to Armand." "'What am I actually accountable for when I froze this guy out?.... What didn't [Louis] say when he threw him into the wall in Dubai?" Rolin feels "very empathetic towards Armand at that moment."

[x] Rolin Jones said that Louis found out what Armand did (read: sold him out to the coven, directed the play, lied on Lestat to Louis about killing Claudia, driving Louis to suicide, mindwiping him, more lies, Fred Steins, lied on Daniel about forging the real Trial script, etc), and because Louis "never apologized for the 50 years" of Loumand's failmarriage, that's why Armand's a gremlin now.

[x] Rolin Jones confirmed that the plan happened as Armand sat in the debris of the wall Louis shoved him onto (after Daniel exposed his Seismic Lie about "Banishment"). Since there were "two people in that relationship" (despite there not being two people who knew Armand lied about everything....)

[x] Rolin Jones said that Louis is the "most prideful" of the three vamps given Armends, and because he needs humbling Armand "is owed" an apology from Louis in the most brutal way imaginable.

[x] Rolin Jones said that Louis' humbling requires that he "owe[s]...some accountability for why we are here."

[x x] Rolin Jones said that Louis' "growth" requires that Louis finally realize that there is "some part of me, of what i did in my life" that "made" Armand decapitate him & scam him with Regina; Louis clearly had "something to do with that."

[x] Rolin Jones said that Louis actually has "culpability" in how he "ended up here" because of what he "did to this person for 77 years of shutting him out" (after Armand not only sold him out to the coven but also deliberately lied to him about his daughter's death that he has never stopped grieving and told Armand to his face "You'll never make it up to me.").

[x] Rolin Jones said something Louis owes Armand for having "iced out for 77 years," and is "culpable for having brought him to this level of extremity."

[x] Rolin Jones says Louis reminding Armand about the Seismic Lie is just him "playing the victim card."

[x x] Rolin Jones said that the first step towards Louis needing to "work on" himself (read: be humbled) is to apologize to Armand (read: for not loving or forgiving him post-Paris).

[x] Jacob Anderson said that Rolin told him he would "never put anything in the show" that the actors weren't happy with.

[x x] Jacob Anderson said that 3x7 was Louis' smaller way of taking accountability that "the fault" was his for being tportured.

[x] Jacob Anderson said "I don’t know that I agree that Louis would be like, it’s my fault that you chopped off my head."

[x] Jacob Anderson hopes that Louis doesn't believe what he says, that his "withholding is what led to" Louis to deserve Armand torturing him.

[x] Jacob Anderson said he "wholly disagrees" that Louis withholding love & affection from Armand post-Trial "led to this moment"; that it's his fault he was being tortured by Armand

[x x] Jacob Anderson says he doesn't think Louis means all of that; Louis' just under duress & "trying to stay alive."

[x] Jacob Anderson agreed that Louis' willingness to shoulder the blame saved himself and Regina.

[x x x] Jacob Anderson said that abuse is also part of Loumand's relationship, but that it comes from "different angles"--as if it was mutually abusive.

[x] Jacob Anderson said that Louis' confession "is real to a certain extent," but was still "under extreme duress, so there is an element of self-preservation."

What DEEPLY horrifies me about Rolin Jones' rhetoric in S3 is that not ONCE does he ever couch these ruminations of Louis' within the broader context of abuse victims who blame themselves or are gaslit into blaming themselves for being abused.

For all the seriousness with which they want us to treat Lestat's abuse by his mother and how that affects his propensity to shirk accountability for his own cycles of abuse, not ONCE does Rolin or Hannah step back from the vapid Teehee Armand is such a Gremlin aren't you all glad to finally see him acting crazy in our Horror™ show~!? 🤭 to actually have a serious conversation about the ways that he weaponizes Reverse-Victim-Offender to put the onus on the other person: "You drove me to this; you made me do this!"

Not ONCE in S3 does he discuss the complex psyche of survivor's guilt, or abuse survivors, or Stockholm Syndrome. Not ONCE does he acknowledge Louis' self-hared and tendency to internalize the awful things Armand has levied against him, as a way of rationalizing what Armand is even "owed."

Not ONCE does Rolin factor in what those 77 years was even based on, and how Louis would have never spared Armand his wrath in Paris had he known Armand lied about "Banishment."

Not ONCE is Armand's own culpability addressed, knowing even before he and Louis started having sex that Louis was hallucinating DreamStat all over the city and already deep in the throes of mental illness--even admitting to Daniel that he knew DreamStat was there, (albeit not as vividly as Louis saw/felt him), and that he would only be entering a relationship with Louis as a rebound still hung up on his ex.

Not ONCE does Rolin give Louis the grace to acknowledge that although there is no such thing as a perfect victim on this show Louis was always at a far bigger disadvantage because there was so much he didn't know about Armand's machinations--let alone the true history of his dynamic with Lestat (and even Nicki & GabriellA). Which flies in the face of any attempt to dress up Loumand's dynamic as "mutual abuse" (which does not exist); even if one nobly tries to be diplomatic and see things neutrally or try to avoid the Perfect Victim Frying Pan by landing in the Mutual Abuse Fire.

As such, the OBVIOUS biases Hannah & Rolin have towards Armand--and the BLATANT disdain and resentment they have towards Louis who needs to be "humbled"--is loud and clear. And it is truly heartbreaking to see Jacob Anderson visibly struggling to make sense of it all, contradicting himself when left & right; Rolin and Hannah have been VERY consistently doubling down on their own explanations. 🤦‍♂️

Dishonorable Mentions: Rolin Jones pre-S3 on Armand "Apologists"

I've already shared my thoughts on these post-S2 / pre-S3 quotes, and how problematic they were even then.

[x] Rolin Jones "hoped Armand Apologists would multiply" by the end of S3.

[x] Rolin Jones said that "in our writers' room, we ended up landing a very empathetic place for Armand," based on "how much he has thrown himself at Louis and Louis just couldn't" reciprocate Armand's callous desperation to put Paris behind them in the wake of Louis' crippling grief over his daughter's death (unknowingly by Armand's own hand).

[armandlastnamemarius2]

Interview With The Vampire 2.05 Don't Be Afraid, Just Start the Tape

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You know I genuinely feel like the Hannibal show has done some irrevocable damage in fandom spaces that primarily discuss American media. Why is it that every violence on screen is now seen as inherently erotic, resisting or outright rejecting any further reflection on what such a scene may mean, even from a Doylist perspective? Like I truly feel that tumblr fandom spaces, which are dominated by american media and disproportionately consists of white Americans and Europeans, have become so blinded by the tag of "cannibalism as a form of love" that they forget there is a larger world out there where cannibalism was literally a facet of colonialism-> white British colonialists digging up mummies to ground them into powders to consume<-and thus will continue to dismiss every concern and insist that every such violence depicted in a TV show is inherently queer and erotic. I have seen this happen in Sinners fandom. How some fans managed to interpret Remmick's lust for owning/controlling Samie's soul as queer, when it was clearly about the colonial lust of gobbling up countries, cultures, societies in favor of building an empire, I won't know. But I think it's the same problem with IWTV fandom where brutalization of a Black body onscreen is seen as erotic just because the show is set up within a queer narrative. I don't know what these people mean about not watching "enough Hannibal"- I certainly have never watched it, but suppose in anyway if the Hannibal show was half so serious about setting up a narrative (and I am assuming it didn't cause then it wouldn't be this popular amongst white queers lol), where it spoke about how white western societies, which now tries to distance itself from the violence of colonialism it inflicted upon the world, while still flaunting its ill begotten wealth ( almost all white posh neighborhoods, expensive restaurants maintained via cheap labour, high end dinner scenes with ingredients imported at barely any cost and exotic fruits available all year round etc) cannot really get rid of those tremendous facets of violence and hence it turns it inwards and you have a white serial killer, colluding with the law/cops as a forensic psychiatrist ( in real life whom did the white serial killers target- why do so many black women, brown women and native american women end up missing with their cases getting buried and hushed up?). And what if in a later season it completely retcons all that, retcons all the hints and narrative about colonial violence suffered by black and brown bodies and instead absolves Hannibal of all his violence, then wouldn't that be shit? That same thing happened with IWTV. I don't why there is this obstinate refusal to accept that. Like literally people who tout media illiteracy behind such widespread backlash against TVL like that second screenshot, tell me exactly what conclusion do you draw from having two black bodies graphically brutalized on screen by a brown character who may or may not be a Muslim, who may or may not have had an oppressed caste identity- while the character who was canonically chosen for immortal life for his white skin, blonde hair and blue eyes and who throughout the season has flaunted his superior vampiric blood, gets to have just a little bit of pecking at the dinner table, even when in earlier seasons he had beat his spouse bloody and crossed an ocean to participate in a lynching.

[coldeveryseason]

i feel like the comparison to the hannibal fandom response is particularly apt given hannibal also made some notoriously racist and transphobic choices and had major misogyny issues that tend to get overlooked in a fannish context where people don't want the waxing poetic about cannibalism as a form of love in a m/m couple to be disrupted by other fans bringing up how bad that show was toward its characters of color and women.

and this part will sound specifically familiar to tvl fans- margot verger, a familial abuse survivor who's a masc lesbian and v muscular bodybuilder in the hannibal book, is adapted on the show in s2. and even though margot is still queer and attracted to women on the show...she's depicted as cisfem and v conventionally feminine and fitting feminine beauty standards.

so watching "enough hannibal" would certainly prime viewers to expect characters of color, esp women of color, to be treated poorly by the narrative and for any trace of gender nonconformity in a canonically gnc woman to get ironed out in the tv adaptation. but the idea that being familiar with these forms of bigotry in media, even beloved queer media, should desensitize viewers to it and make them not care about it, and like caring about bigotry is a failure of media literacy isn't the kind of framework i will ever accept. the idea that true engagement with a piece of art is uncritical praise is deeply anti-intellectual.

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