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Tom Hardy and Riz Ahmed are reading IGN comments and Riz read the comment that said “ Venom vs. Predator vs. Alien “ and Tom’s immediate reactions was to say “GANG BANG” and then make a face of REGRET™

he sure as hell is one of us

edenwolfie

antifamutant

I think he’s years ahead of us.

@bakasara

thanks. he is

You need.. you need to unmute…

cobaltdays-deactivated20210208

I’ve waited too long to find this gem again!

colombian-jacob-49

This is perfection 😂

theyoungestwhateleydaughter-dea

You know what traditionally-male fictional character type I have a burning need to see remade as a woman?

Gandalf types.

Old, grizzled, Odinic wanderers. The one who speaks prophecy to kings, gives swords to heroes, wanders into the depths of the Evil Empire to tweak the Overlord’s nose decades before the Heroic Farmbrat Of Destiny was a twinkle in a milkmaid’s eye. Old and tired and weary, full of cynical-but-compassionate advice and gnomic wisdom and I’m-Too-Old-To-Care-About-Propriety humor. Delver into forbidden mysteries, keeper of ancient knowledge, Bearer-Of-So-Fucking-Many-Names.

Gimme a grizzled old pipe-smoking, sword-swinging granny wandering the Many Kingdoms poking and prodding heroes into action, playing princes and queens like pawns in their centuries-old chess match with Evil.

Give me Helen Mirram’s Gandalf and Megan Gale’s Allanon, dammnit.

dinbly

Those characters exist but they’re just seen as weird ugly witch ladies

theyoungestwhateleydaughter-dea

Gandalf-style wozards and witches occupy very different narrative roles.

Among other things, witches are stationary; occupying cottages and caves. Odinc wizards get to travel.

aimmyarrowshigh

natalunasans

OK but don’t some of pratchett’s witches do the gandalf thing?

someone who has read more of them pls fill in….

you-had-me-at-e-flat-major

double bubble disco queen headed to the guillotine

skin as cool as rasputin, russia’s greatest love machine

seras-sanctum-deactivated202005

Boy, you think you know what’s happening in this one and then it just knocks you flat, doesn’t it

bunnie-blogging

it was an honor being horny with you all

fozmeadows

on fanfic & emotional continuity

Writing and reading fanfic is a masterclass in characterisation.

Consider: in order to successfully write two different “versions” of the same character - let alone ten, or fifty, or a hundred - you have to make an informed judgement about their core personality traits, distinguishing between the results of nature and nurture, and decide how best to replicate those conditions in a new narrative context. The character you produce has to be recognisably congruent with the canonical version, yet distinct enough to fit within a different - perhaps wildly so - story. And you physically can’t accomplish this if the character in question is poorly understood, or viewed as a stereotype, or one-dimensional. Yes, you can still produce the fic, but chances are, if your interest in or knowledge of the character(s) is that shallow, you’re not going to bother in the first place.

Because ficwriters care about nuance, and they especially care about continuity - not just literal continuity, in the sense of corroborating established facts, but the far more important (and yet more frequently neglected) emotional continuity. Too often in film and TV canons in particular, emotional continuity is mistakenly viewed as a synonym for static characterisation, and therefore held anathema: if the character(s) don’t change, then where’s the story? But emotional continuity isn’t anti-change; it’s pro-context. It means showing how the character gets from Point A to Point B as an actual journey, not just dumping them in a new location and yelling Because Reasons! while moving on to the next development. Emotional continuity requires a close reading, not just of the letter of the canon, but its spirit - the beats between the dialogue; the implications never overtly stated, but which must logically occur off-screen. As such, emotional continuity is often the first casualty of canonical forward momentum: when each new TV season demands the creation of a new challenge for the protagonists, regardless of where and how we left them last, then dealing with the consequences of what’s already happened is automatically put on the backburner.

Fanfic does not do this.

Fanfic embraces the gaps in the narrative, the gracenotes in characterisation that the original story glosses, forgets or simply doesn’t find time for. That’s not all it does, of course, but in the context of learning how to write characters, it’s vital, because it teaches ficwriters - and fic readers - the difference between rich and cardboard characters. A rich character is one whose original incarnation is detailed enough that, in order to put them in fanfic, the writer has to consider which elements of their personality are integral to their existence, which clash irreparably with the new setting, and which can be modified to fit, to say nothing of how this adapted version works with other similarly adapted characters. A cardboard character, by contrast, boasts so few original or distinct attributes that the ficwriter has to invent them almost out of whole cloth. Note, please, that attributes are not necessarily synonymous with details in this context: we might know a character’s favourite song and their number of siblings, but if this information gives us no actual insight into them as a person, then it’s only window-dressing. By the same token, we might know very few concrete facts about a character, but still have an incredibly well-developed sense of their personhood on the basis of their actions.

The fact that ficwriters en masse - or even the same ficwriter in different AUs - can produce multiple contradictory yet still fundamentally believable incarnations of the same person is a testament to their understanding of characterisation, emotional continuity and narrative.

earlgreytea68

So I was reading this rumination on fanfic and I was thinking about something @involuntaryorange once talked to me about, about fanfic being its own genre, and something about this way of thinking really rocked my world? Because for a long time I have thought like a lawyer, and I have defined fanfiction as “fiction using characters that originated elsewhere,” or something like that. And now I feel like…fanfiction has nothing to do with using other people’s characters, it’s just a character-driven *genre* that is so character-driven that it can be more effective to use other people’s characters because then we can really get the impact of the storyteller’s message but I feel like it could also be not using other people’s characters, just a more character-driven story. Like, I feel like my original stuff–the novellas I have up on AO3, the draft I just finished–are probably really fanfiction, even though they’re original, because they’re hitting fanfic beats. And my frustration with getting original stuff published has been, all along, that I’m calling it a genre it really isn’t.

And this is why many people who discover fic stop reading other stuff. Once you find the genre you prefer, you tend to read a lot in that genre. Some people love mysteries, some people love high-fantasy. Saying you love “fic” really means you love this character-driven genre.

So when I hear people be dismissive of fic I used to think, Are they just not reading the good fic? Maybe I need to put the good fic in front of them? But I think it turns out that fanfiction is a genre that is so entirely character-focused that it actually feels weird and different, because most of our fiction is not that character-focused.

It turns out, when I think about it, I am simply a character-based consumer of pop culture. I will read and watch almost anything but the stuff that’s going to stick with me is because I fall for a particular character. This is why once a show falters and disagrees with my view of the character, I can’t just, like, push past it, because the show *was* the character for me.

Right now my big thing is the Juno Steel stories, and I know that they’re doing all this genre stuff and they have mysteries and there’s sci-fi and meanwhile I’m just like, “Okay, whatever, I don’t care about that, JUNO STEEL IS THE BEST AND I WANT TO JUST ROLL AROUND IN HIS SARCASTIC, HILARIOUS, EMOTIONALLY PINING HEAD.” That is the fanfiction-genre fan in me coming out. Someone looking for sci-fi might not care about that, but I’m the type of consumer (and I think most fic-people are) who will spend a week focusing on what one throwaway line might reveal about a character’s state of mind. That’s why so many fics *focus* on those one throwaway lines. That’s what we’re thinking about.

And this is what makes coffee shop AUs so amazing. Like, you take some characters and you stick them in a coffee shop. That’s it. And yet I love every single one of them. Because the focus is entirely on the characters. There is no plot. The plot is they get coffee every day and fall in love. That’s the entire plot. And that’s the perfect fanfic plot. Fanfic plots are almost always like that. Almost always references to other things that clue you in to where the story is going. Think of “friends to lovers” or “enemies to lovers” or “fake relationship,” and you’re like, “Yes. I love those. Give me those,” and you know it’s going to be the same plot, but that’s okay, you’re not reading for the plot. It’s like that Tumblr post that goes around that’s like, “Me starting a fake relationship fic: Ooooh, do you think they’ll fall in love for real????” But you’re not reading for the suspense. Fic frees you up from having to spend effort thinking about the plot. Fic gives your brain space to focus entirely on the characters. And, especially in an age of plot-twist-heavy pop culture, that almost feels like a luxury. “Come in. Spend a little time in this character’s head. SPEND HOURS OF YOUR LIFE READING SO MANY STORIES ABOUT THIS CHARACTER’S HEAD. Until you know them like a friend. Until you know them so well that you miss them when you’re not hanging out with them.”

When that is your story, when the characters become like your friends, it makes sense that you’re freed from plot. It’s like how many people don’t really have a “plot” to hanging out with their friends. There’s this huge obsession with plot, but lives don’t have plots. Lives just happen. We try to shape them into plots later, but that’s just this organizational fiction we’re imposing. Plot doesn’t have to be the raison d’etre of all story-telling, and fic reminds us of that.

Idk, this was a lot of random rambling but I’ve been thinking about it a lot lately.

nianeyna

“fanfiction has nothing to do with using other people’s characters, it’s just a character-driven *genre* that is so character-driven that it can be more effective to use other people’s characters”

yes!!!! I feel like I knew this on some level but I’ve never explicitly thought about it that way. this feels right, yep. Mainstream fiction often seems very dry to me and I think this is why - it tends to skip right over stuff that would be a huge plot arc in a fanfic, if not an entire fanfic in itself. And I’m like, “hey, wait, go back to that. Why are you skipping that? Where’s the story?” But now I think maybe people who don’t like fanfiction are going like, “why is there an entire fanfic about something that could have happened offscreen? Is anything interesting ever going to happen here? Where’s the story?”

earlgreytea68

Yes! Exactly! This!!!

This crystallized for me when I taught my first class of fanfiction to non-fic-readers and they just kept being like, “But nothing happens. What’s the plot?” and I was so confused, like, “What are you talking about? They fall in love. That’s the plot.” But we were, I think, talking past each other. They kept waiting for some big moment to happen, but for me the point was that the little moments were the big moments.

meanderings0ul

This is such an awesome conversation, but I think there’s even another layer here that makes ‘fic’ its own genre. And it is the plot.

Everyone who’s experienced in reading fic has their little ‘trope plots’ we are willing to read or even prefer in order to spend time with our favorite characters. We know how it’s gonna end and we genuinely don’t care, because the character is the whole point of why we’re reading. And that is unique. That’s just not how mainstream media publication does things.

But there are also hundreds of thousands of fics people might call ‘plot driven’ and they have wonderful, intricate plots that thrill their readers.

But they’re not at all ‘plot driven’ in the same way as other mainstream genres.

The thing about ‘plot’ in fic is that it tends to ebb and flow naturally. There’s not the same high speed, race to the finish you’d get from a good action movie. There’s no stop and start of side plots you get in TV genre shows. The best fic plot slides from big event to restful evening to frantic activity to shared meals and squabbles and back, and it gives equal time and attention and detail to each of these things.

Like @earlgreytea68 said, “There’s this huge obsession with plot, but lives don’t have plots. Lives just happen. We try to shape them into plots later, but that’s just this organizational fiction we’re imposing. Plot doesn’t have to be the raison d’etre of all story-telling, and fic reminds us of that.”

Fic plot moves at a pace similar to the life of whatever character it’s about. Not the other way around. There’s a fundamental difference in prioritization in fic.

I think this only adds to the case of ‘fic’ as its own, distinctive genre. Stylistic choices of writing that would never work in traditional, mainstream fiction novels work for novel-length fic. Fic adventures spend as much time fleshing out the little moments between romances and friendships as they do on that plot twist. The sleepy campground conversations are as important to the plot as the kidnapped princess, because that’s how the characters are going to grow together by the end of the story. It’s not a grace note, it’s not a side episode or an addition or a mention - it’s integral and equal.

That’s just accepted as fact by fic writers and readers. It’s expected without any particular mention. And it gives a very unique flavor and pace to fic that makes a lot of mainstream stories feel like stale, off-brand wonderbread. They are missing something regular fic readers take for granted (and it isn’t just the representational differences, because we all know that’s a whole different conversation). There’s a fundamental difference in how ‘fic’ is written, detailed, and paced that is built on its foundations as a ‘character driven’ genre.

And it isn’t only action/adventure/mystery plots that have this difference in fic. Those ‘everybody’s human in today’s world’ AUs, those ‘friends to lovers’ slow burn stories have it too. They have a plot, but it’s the life - the grocery shopping, the dumb fights and sudden inescapable emotional blows, those moments of joy with that person you click with, managing work and family and seasons - that’s the whole plot on its own.

And that’s almost impossible to explain to someone who hasn’t really experienced fic as a genre, who’s used to traditional person A and person B work together/overcome differences/bond to accomplish X. In fic accomplishing X might be the beginning or the middle, not the end result of the story, and A & B continue to exist separate from X entirely. X is only relevant because of how it relates to A & B, not the other way around.

Fic is absolutely its own genre and it has a lot to do with plot. I’ve been calling this ‘organic plot’ in my head for months, because I knew something felt different about writing this way, how long fic plot ebbs and grows seemingly on its own sometimes. ‘Dual plot’ could be another option, maybe, though the character plot and life experience plots aren’t really separate. Inverted plot? Hm. I’m sure a good term will develop over time.

earlgreytea68

OH MY GOODNESS I LOVE THIS.

I was always fond of saying, about my own fics, that my plots show up about two-thirds of the way through, because it takes me that long to figure out where I’m going, and then I would lol about it, because, ha, wouldn’t it be great if I organized it better.

And now I read this and I’m like, WAIT. YES. THAT’S WHAT’S HAPPENING. IT’S BEEN HAPPENING ALL ALONG. I NEVER REALIZED IT. The idea that the primary importance is the throughline of the characters, and that’s what we’re following, and the plot is what’s dangling off the side of their story, that is SO IMPORTANT. You’re right, that usually we’re told as writers to construct stories from the plot outward. “Here are the beats your plot needs to hit, here’s the rising action to the climax to the falling action, now make sure your Character A makes this realization by Point X in order to get your plot into shape for Point Y to click in.” It’s *such* a plot-centric way to write and I am *terrible* at it. And I’ve always said, whenever I sit down to “outline” a story, like, How do you this? How do you know where the characters are going until they tell you where they’re going???

But it’s not that I’m “bad” at this, which is what I’ve always thought, it’s just that I’m coming at it from the opposite angle. I can’t plan the plot before the characters because I’m sticking close to the characters, and the traditional “plot” is secondary to whatever’s going to happen to them. And that’s not a wrong way of writing, it’s just a different way of writing. And it’s wrong of me to be thinking that my stories don’t get a “point” until they’re almost over. THEY’VE HAD THE POINT ALL ALONG. What happens when they’re almost over is that the characters come to where they’ve been going, and then the traditional “plot” is what helps shape the ending. The traditional “plot” becomes, to me, like that epilogue scene after the biggest explosion in an action movie, where you’re told the characters are going to be okay. I spend the entire movie telling you the characters are going to be okay, and then my epilogue scene is tacked on “oh, p.s., also they saved the day.”

glitterandrocketfuel

There is so much here that I want to say I don’t even know where to begin. @earlgreytea68 you’re not alone. Hit me up. I’ve studied plot and structure forever. Fics are pure, uncut, internal-motivation-drives-everything storytelling and they are so very different from the monomyth that drives most commercial fiction these days that they almost have to exist in a liminal space like fan fiction. I could go on…

earlgreytea68

LET’S BE FRIENDS.

Hahaha, this is my week to just want to be Tumblr friends with everyone, all the FOB people, all the fluff people, all the fandom anthropology people, LET’S ALL BE FRIENDS.

notjustamumj

<3 <3 <3

oneblueumbrella

@earlgreytea68 and @glitterandrocketfuel and OP and everyone else who contributed - this is beautiful, and I’m saving it to read and consider again later. probably with a glass of wine or something. <3

earlgreytea68

Smart idea. ;-)

elidyce

… oh my God, this is why Frequency (the 2000 movie, not the tv series) is my favourite movie of all time.

It’s focused, absolutely focused, on the characters. On who they are as people. On their emotional journey. The time-portal radio is important only because it allows John to build a relationship with the father who died when he was a small child. The murder case is literally only important to the plot because it affects John’s mother. They don’t save the world. All they want to do is save their family, and to them that IS saving the world. Saving their relationships. John being a less broken person. Frank and Julia living to see their son grow up. THEIR CONVERSATIONS ABOUT BASEBALL ARE REPEATEDLY PIVOTAL TO THE PLOT.

Frequency is oc fanfic!

fierceawakening

As someone who writes both original fiction and fanfic I really like this. It’s a good explanation of what I like about both, and it doesn’t fall into the weird “fic is better than novels” thing that I see so often around here (and which I find weird—do I get worse when I’m inventing my own worlds? Why would that be? Also it’s a little disheartening to hear “the stuff you’re trying to sell is less good than the stuff you’re giving us free.” 😛)

@mllemusketeer I think you might like this discussion too

mindthelspace

You know how one of the most common defences of fanfic is “it’s not all porn, you know”.

And this is true. Very evidently true to those of us who actually read fanfic. But you know what?

… This seems like a good place for some grandstanding about pornographic fanfic that nobody asked for!

Because it hit me very recently that the relationship fanfic porn has with mainstream porn is very similar to the fanfic/mainstream literature relationship described above, except times ten. It prioritises characters and includes emotions, in a genre where characters, plot, and emotions are typically thought to have no room at all. The mainstream conception of porn is that it should stand apart from anything that might resemble storytelling. It shouldn’t have a story, that’s pointless. It shouldn’t incite any feelings in the reader other than ‘horny’. It doesn’t need to put effort into the characters. i mean, nobody gives a shit who the characters are in porn!

… But i think that’s precisely why pornographic fanfiction is so prolific. Because the bulk of it has at least some of those storytelling aspects woven in. If you go to Ao3 and look up the kink of your choice, it’s easy to find stories where that kink is practiced by characters who you like, whoa clearly care about each other, and who are written by an author who cares about the characters outside of a sexual context as well as in one. You can read porn with complex three-dimensional characters with broader lives and feelings. Sometimes you can even read porn with genuine plot in the background. I’ve found honest-to-goodness porn on Ao3 which had entire non-pornographic chapters.

And I get that’s not everyone’s cup of tea. But a lot of people like it, and it’s really hard to find anywhere else! A lot of porn focuses on trimming out everything other than what’s thought to be absolutely necessary. General society kind of balks at the idea of porn blending with other things, or having any kind of artistic merit. The porn you find in fanfic is kind of unique, and honestly, a lot of it’s really good, both as porn and as writing.

And that’s what the “fanfic isn’t all porn, some of it’s great!’ defences miss. Pornographic fic has all the same merits as gen fic, and fulfils a very similar neglected niche.

(and this is without going into the whole ‘fanfic porn is bad because it’s all by girls and girls aren’t supposed to get off on things’ shtick)

fierceawakening

“If you go to Ao3 and look up the kink of your choice, it’s easy to find stories where that kink is practiced by characters who you like, whoa clearly care about each other, and who are written by an author who cares about the characters outside of a sexual context as well as in one. You can read porn with complex three-dimensional characters with broader lives and feelings.”

This. Gf showed me an absolutely gorgeous “A is a ritual sexual “sacrifice” and B is a sexy demon” fic this morning and I honestly hadn’t read prettier use of language/imagery in years.

Also it was very clear throughout this trope that they were smitten with one another.