Not Your Shipcourse

A safe place for fictionfolk deemed "too problemtatic," including proship insys/in-source/etc. relationships. A personal blog as well as an ask blog; submit away. We are not your fucking shipcourse.

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Welcome to our little haven.

This is a cozy blog for some potentially not-so-cozy people.

This blog is run by the fictives of The Haven Keepers. Funny, it was originally a name for anonymity, and then it just stuck. Whoops? This is a blog focused around being a safe space for problematic fictives or factives, fictionkin, fictherians, hearthome havers, and any other fictionfolk. All are welcome here, regardless of their source actions, level of separation from their source, or their relationships. As long as you don't threaten the safety within our blog, you're welcome.

This blog is both for others to send in asks, and a safe space for us to talk about our own experiences with insys relationships and problematic sources as fictives. After seeing so much negativity around "proship" in the plural commmunity with absolutely no regard for how that might apply to fictives, we wanted to create this. That being said; dark topics will come up! Everything we can think of will be tagged, and there's no shame in asking us to tag something we missed. This blog is ultimately intended to be a positive space, so anything that could risk that for someone will be tagged.

The mods

We intend to be 100% open about our source here. We have quite a few fictives who will want in on this, though I can't say who for sure so this section will be a bit barren for a while. We're bodily in our early 20's, trans, and auDHD. We have many nonhuman members so things like that will be posted here as well.

Names you may see: Viridian, Kaeya, Diluc, Zane, Vylad, Scara, Wilbur. You'll see more than just them but honestly I'm not sure who all will want to post about themselves specifically.

Asks we do/don't accept.

Do:

Please be aware that we will respond only if we want to. You can specify if you have a preference whether we do or don't respond- and please do! We don't want to offer unsolicited commentary, and we can't promise that we'll give proper answers to folks who do want them sadly.

Source talk regardless of media

good faith questions about our experiences, system, sources, etc. We don't bite!

Properly warned dark/triggering content (ex. TW: [insert thing] with the content below it). If it's triggering to us, we won't be posting it, however.

Any thoughts about your experiences you don't want to post elsewhere.

properly warned and relatively mild NSFW. (Just don't go in depth, use your own discernment. If you're unsure, just say so at the beginning and we'll post it or we won't!)

Vents

if you need to ask something to follow your own DNI, go ahead.

Dont:

For our comfort, any in-depth description of topics such as SA or SH are off the table. Mentions are perfectly okay if properly warned.

NSFW that is just literal smut at that point.

Blatant Anti-endo rants (asking questions in good faith is okay, fakeclaiming is not.)

Shipcourse of any kind. Duh.

Generally, if you're being an asshole to someone.... don't.

BYF/"DNI"

We don't have a set DNI for this blog, we believe that a safe space should be accessible to everyone regardless of their stances on whatever. So long as you play nice. This is the key here. We block freely. But, if you'd like to know our stances on things to follow your own DNI, then:

Systems of all origins are welcome, we don't give a single fuck I assure you.

This is a safe space for any queer label. Contradictory, niche, xenogenders and nepronouns- whatever your experience is. "MAPS" are not included in this.

We are a primarily nonhuman collective! Alterhumans of all kinds are safe here.

We don't support radqueer/transIDs but we won't stop you from interacting.

Dark topics will be talked about here. We feel the need to say this again. This is safe for people regardless of source actions or relationships with sourcemates. Yes, even that. Whatever "that" is when you think of it. If your relationship with your sourcemates is healthy now, or if you're not hurting people now, we don't give a shit how bad it was in your source.

If you judge anyone based off source, or don't want to interact with fictives from a specific source, don't bother.

We'd also like to add that this is a safe space for fictives who had disabilities, disorders, etc. in-source that their body does not have now. We have a few folks who have had this experience, and it's jarring, but scary to talk about.

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This is the only place I feel like I can ask this question but sorry if it's uncomfortable—

[TW: Incest I guess?]

Is it morally okay for a fictive to date another fictives if they were related in their source? For context, I and the other fictive don't consider ourselves related in this world nor do we have any familial connection, but we aren't sure if us being related in source makes it bad for us to date here or not? We've been kind of stressing out over this ever since we confessed so we just wanted to get a second opinion.

So!! Obligatory disclaimer, this is just our collective opinion and we can't exactly call ourselves experts.

1. if you're not related here, then it's not incest. Source separation, I suppose I'll call it, is absolutely a thing. You are only as much your source as you WANT to be, you can redefine your relationships however the hell you see fit.

2. You may consider this a hot take, but this is a solid chunk of why this blog exists: even if you did consider yourselves to be family... You share a body. There aren't two bodies that are related to CAUSE any of the issues that make incest such a problem. We often argue "no such thing as thought crime," and this applies here imo. We have a pair of headmates who were brothers in their personal canon, still acknowledge that as true, but are together. Their relationship is perfectly healthy, hell I'd argue they're one of the more chill relationships in our system. We let them do as they please because really, they're grown ass men. They can decide what's healthy for them.

This is very rambley because I'm tired, but basically; you define your own relationship. Only you can decide what you're comfortable with, what you consider healthy. Things are different when you share a brain; a lot of typical rules have to get thrown out the window because you're not in a typical situation.

Obligatory "if I said anything stupid it's because it's 1 AM"

- Malaika/Asra (she/it/mirror prns)

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we were in the marauders/hp in 2020 and split into an alter based on that. we feel guilty now about it since we have really bad ocd

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being openly proship in the community and finding no one who wants to interact is hard enough ;-; being a full grown adult who's been in the community as a member for 12 years and knowing about the community for an additional 3 is goddamn isolating!

like i'm dying squirtle

i don't even necessarily want to find people from my more problematic canons! i just wanna scream about them with sourcemates! and it also effects my non-problematic ones!

i'm gonna chew glass i s2g y'all i just wanna talk about my obscure af sources :<

REAL it's so irritating wanting spaces and then not being able to have them simply because... We let our headmates date whoever the fuck we want. And think that in the case of fiction you're basically playing adult Barbies so why are we judging.

Like lemme yap about fucked up shit I did/that happened in my canon. It's not like it's happening now. Or like it happened in this world. Dude I LIKE talking about it, it's crunchy.

-Malaika/Asra (mirror prns)

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Do y'all take non-introjects who still have exomemories? My world would be considered fictional by this one's standards so I don't see why not but feel free to delete this if you feel it doesn't fit here.

It's really weird being a species that's really close to how stereotypical demons look but not really relating to anything actually demon-centric because you're just, not a demon.

I'm an original species that I "made" that was too demon like and thus harassed for it in source so I choose to reclaim the term and labeling demon for myself, especially since I'm very stereotypically demon looking.

Some people of my species are more vampire or other supernatural creatures and don't get me wrong, they're still treated badly but it's more easily hidden in our world. Cause you know, everyone wants to look like a vampire from their favorite fictional books.

Whenever I try to find some community in demon-centric spaces, like I would in source, I just can't find it because everyone talks about how they actually are unholy, how they fell from heaven, or etc.

You wouldn't catch most "demons" from my source actually saying that, excluding those that really reclaim demonhood. I'm not really one of them, I'm not particularly unholy, I do not bask in the fires of hell because they were never my home in the first place.

It's really isolating. I didn't have many demon friends before and now I really don't have any.

Absolutely we accept whoever feels like this blog is a good space for them!! And oh my gosh actually this is. Weirdly relatable for one of our headmates. We have a guy who is a demon, yes, but in his source that means a whole different set of things. There's no heaven or hell, demons are discriminated against and considered "unholy" yes but it's not that different from discrimination against queer folk and whatnot, or how a Satanist or witch would get called "unholy." They aren't LITERALLY unholy. There's not even a hell. The closest is the Nether (yes like Minecraft) and that has nothing to do with demons. In his canon, demons are just a species that are considered to originate from (not born in) the void and have like. Issues with hunger.

I'll avoid yapping too much about his canon, but if you find it relatable and want to hear the infodump feel free to shoot another ask or DM <3

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i know fictives in general are treated badly but fictives who are able to openly be themselves are so fucking lucky. i hate that nobody outside of my system even knows that i exist. i hate pretending to be other people. it makes me so jealous to see almost all of my alters being able to express themselves, wearing whatever they want, having friends, being called by their names, talking about their sources, being respected as people. it hurts so much to know i'll never have any of that.

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We sent a few asks a while ago about being "problematic" and since then we've really ..... Reallyyyy embraced it, being weird and strange and peculiar. Our current hosts in us and our partner system are basically just 2 massive polycules, our main host is a 43 year old and he considers all his romantic partners to be his children (they are all Significantly younger than him), there are many "brothers" who are dating, etc etc, and honestly it is ..... So much easier than trying to seem Less Problematic to everyone. They're all happy! They're all experiencing the world in the way they want to without actually risking harm to anyone, literally it's so much better. Like who Cares if they're "problematic", we are sooooo much happier when we don't try to sanitize our own feelings and experiences!!!!!! Life is beautiful the sun is shining and we are all having a magnificent time being "problematic" and strange!!!!!

(we've also embraced the source attachment a lot more so there's people willoing their partners left and right now. Sorry leo, you aren't special anymore ....)

- 📺🕷️ (ik there's no anon tags anymore but I love this emoji order so I will keep using it)

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Just need to get it out there that I am married to a fictive who is dating a double of themselves and that double is friends with another fictive who's dating his own source (and insys!) brother.

Problematic as fuck, with what we see in the general community, but that's been going on for years and they're happy. We do whatever the fuck we want in here, tbh.

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Not a confession but!! If anyone is up to discussing things like system travel we would genuinely love to!! Our current fixations are SCP and Roblox but we love all kinds of media :D!

we're not educated enough on things like system travel to be like... aware of our opinion on it? I know there's discourse around it, but there's discourse around a lot of stupid shit so. I don't really know what the whole deal is.

However handing this off to the comments if anyone would like to discuss, or otherwise if anyone would like to give us decent resources on the matter since we are a gateway system.

Also fuck yeah, SCP. <- the voice of a man who has not read SCP in ages but still somehow really likes it

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it’s nice to know there’s a safe confession blog of sorts for problematic fictionfolk, it’s nice to see!

anyway, i suppose i could get around to posting an ask… so, hi, i’m a fictive of lester burnham and oh my god i hate it sometimes. we definitely don’t support anything i did, i don’t feel proud of any of that myself, and it still terrifies me to talk about openly just in case someone judges me. I’m one of our main fronters, and yeah sure I’m open about who i am, but we collectively haven’t really interacted with many kin communities, so we constantly worry about me potentially being judged just for my source.

it also doesn’t help that I’m one of our protectors. the irony isn’t lost on any of us. I’m really glad that i have a safe space in our system (i joke with our host that im like a father to him) but outside it? well that’s terrifying to go and explore!

well, hey, it’s good to rant about these things. it’s fine. at least now i can really appreciate the beauty around me more

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im so fucking tired of people who will only tolerate my existence if i respond correctly to their stupid questions about my source, like no i dont hate my sources creator shes my fucking girlfriend and i am SO proud of her, and i obviously dont hate my source, it has ME in it and thats cool as fuck, i dont regret any of what me and my friends did, if i could i would do EVERYTHING over and over and over and over purely out of spite

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I wish I could talk about my relationship with my brother without having people immediately Lose It because we're brothers. People who aren't familiar with our source wouldn't know, especially since we use different names.

I still don't like that the fact that he's my brother is somehow more relevant than him being the most important person in the world to me. We didn't even grow up together. I was around him a bit when I was a teenager but we didn't meet again until we were adults.

We can only talk about it with a few people. Even then, I still get nervous bringing it up because Oh God The Horrors. He's important to me and I want to be able to talk about him the same way I talk about my other partners :(

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Kinda crazy how until not too long ago, we were generally "not against the idea of being proship", but still felt like we were sinning a little (and not sinning in the good/fun way) when interacting with stancest, while now, in less than a month, mind you, we gobble that shit up. Gotta find out what stancest artists and writers put in their art and fics right now

Anyway, we never thought we'd say this, incest is wincest ✌🏻

- Stanley and Stanford Pines again we are just... So Gay

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Toby (🔥🪓) back here again because I have to talk or else I'll be super mean to someone.

I both hate and love that our friends don't know my source, or if they do, they do a damn good job of hiding it.

I hate it in the sense of, you know nothing about me I don't want to have to explain why I don't like driving or being in cars and etc.

I love it in the sense of, they're not very afraid of me. Or act as if I'm inherently violent. I mean, I kind of am but I don't want that branded on my face.

I see our relationships with our friends as mostly transactional, I'm here to provide general friendship things and you're here to provide me moderate amounts of attention.

I hate others doing friendship things towards me, it's like they're looking down on me or like I am being forced into submission (Hate saying it like that but it gets the point across)

I'm a well guarded secret when it comes to anyone not explicitly asking anything. Like you'd have to talk to me as if I was a genie to get real answers. As in, say exactly what you want (to know) and maybe I'll do it / tell you.

I was never good at friendships that were supposed to be super close or anything but I can play that charade pretty convincingly as long as no one actually ponders our relationship for more than a bit.

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(Ticci) Toby fictive here

I hate seeing the fanon version of myself. It's horribly infantilizing. It's like they don't even take into account my trauma, my disorders, etc. Hell they either take away or majorly reduce a huge part of me (my schizophrenia mainly but also my cold, off-putting demeanor)

I do not particularly care for the things I've done nor do I really care but it should normally affect how people see you. I'm not just some waffle loving idiot, I barely even like waffles. Partly out of spite.

I have a few things my source doesn't, like ASPD so that also contributes to how I see most source depictions but I particularly hate the waffle people. I look like such a fool in their depictions.

I mean, do what you want. I'll just ignore you if I don't like it but it does piss me off slightly.

I'm taking a sign off (whether you record them or not doesn't matter) because I know I'll be back -🔥🪓

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i'm sourced from a slightly niche tv show and i felt a lot of internal shame about things like source memories and feelings - trademark - until i actually checked ao3 for the first time and found out that the number one ship in my source's tag is the twincest that i've spent years beating myself up over. great job guys you cured my weird moral ocd /gen

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I love being cal gabriel. People can fucking bite me about it. I’m cal gabriel and I’m PROUD of it. I don’t regret shit.

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