Questionnaire: Francesco Urbano Ragazzi
Francesco Urbano Ragazzi is a curatorial duo based in Venice, Italy.
1. How have you maintained your practice in your country with its changing economical and political conditions?
We are a curatorial art duo, so our professional activity has to deal with being freelance curators and managers at the same time, therefore we'll be answering to your questions from this specific point of view. So far, the political and economical changes haven't affected our way of working because, as freelance curators, we always pay attention to the moods of the context, so that we can quickly act and respond accordingly. For us, a pivotal aspect to work on has to do with patronage in contemporary art, therefore we always try to find new models of it. Contemporary art practitioners need to move away from the modern conception of art as autonomous: art should be context-specific and relationship-specific as well as site-specific. Some of the best projects we have developed so far are those in partnership with non-artistic institutions (we never interacted with the Ministry of Culture so far, but with the Ministry of Equal Opportunities, with the Department of Youth Policies, with private companies, etc.). We think that contemporary art needs to distance itself from its current restricted system and serve practical functions. If your project is useful, you'll surely be able to: explain it convincingly, get funds, and then create the need for it. Especially in Italy, there is a lack of funding and everybody complains about it, but, I wonder, have they ever asked themselves if and how their project is actually useful? Semi-autonomy is possible if you are capable of merging your project with other cultural policies, thus keeping control over it while contributing with your unique expertise in the arts. And vice-versa, your private and public partners can share their skills with you. So, always remember that curators need to know in what direction other policies are going, keeping in mind the usefulness of their project. In this way the partnership can work well, you're free in term of contents but at the same time responsible towards the community you're referring to. For instance Io, tu, lui, lei - a heterosexual exhibition (Bevilacqua La Masa Foundation, Venice, 2012) was mainly funded by the Ministry of Equal Opportunities and by a design factory. The presence of both private and public funds saved us from being influenced by private contributions because the public partners involved assumed a role of guarantee.
2. If there were an international governing body of contemporary art policy making what would your concerns be?
It makes sense only in terms of mobility for artists: it could be an international network of residency programs. We think it could be useful in order to consider any regionalism or localism under a new light.
3. To what extent does your government participate in producing contemporary art infrastructures?
The biggest problem Italy has, as a country, is the lack of policy, we don't know if we are socialist or liberal. Also, our government has no long-term policies in general terms and specifically about welfare, culture and equal opportunities. If you're not aware of the government's line of cultural development, as a cultural operator you cannot develop yourself and your long term planning. As a matter of fact, more often we have to rely on European funds. As regards Europe, the main problem has to do with education, since, due to Italy's bad reputation and poor academic system, many young artists I am working with find it hard to be admitted to European art schools. Moreover, Europe is still strongly anchored to the idea of modern “Nation/State”: in terms of mobility and fundings, the Arab world is a better model. Indeed, their inner country-specific differences are grounded on a shared Arab identity: institutions are able to fund Arab oriented projects that cross regional borders. We believe we should learn from them, since they are able to make their differences valuable in the name of an Arab identity. I think we need to build both a European identity and European cultural policies.
4. How do you move across different funding systems to produce your projects?
As you know, artist-in-residency programs often require to design a site-specific work. Instead, we add the possibility for artists to develop a relationship with a specific target of audience/community; this is the main aspect that has to be activated. For example, on the occasion of the Io, tu, lui, lei project, the city of Venice asked us to collect memories of gay and lesbian elders. So, first of all, we identified and addressed to a specific audience, then we started to think about how to get more funds, who could also be interested in our project and be willing to contribute to it. On the occasion of Prima Visione, a residency program in Southern Italy, or during the Sinop Biennale in Turkey we encouraged the artists we invited to work with specific groups of locals: Art History students in one case, teenagers in the other one. More than a matter of site-specificity, it's always a matter of finding a way to exchange different heritages. Coming back to the question about fundings, if you understand which your audience is, it will be easier for you to identify your stakeholders.
5. If you could work with a local policy maker, what would you desire for the future of contemporary arts fundings? Give your forecast.
The first thing we would ask is to clarify their agenda, also through a specific website. After understanding their priorities and programs, we can start thinking of suitable projects. In Italy it's hard to figure out what funds are used and where they come from, therefore we would ask for transparency.
It's difficult to tell the future. We believe that Europe and the so-called Western culture have been losing their cultural legacy and power. We're thinking about the last Sharjah Biennial, that aimed to overcome the hegemony of Western culture by finding new spaces for art production. Its main theme was the "Arab courtyard", an architectural model which is uncommon in Europe and can be found only in Roman villas.
Europe has to rethink its position in the world, and we have to look out and find new ways and models of art production in order to ensure a future bright with opportunity.
Then, we should start to acknowledge intellectual labour: at the moment we are just occasional workers and not legally recognized (the curatorial profession doesn't officially exist). In the Seventies there was a strong interest for these issues (Lucy Lippard is still a model for us if we look back at the fights for labour rights).












