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Once-ler’s guitar hop + other aesthetics considered in Earth’s context, giant ramble
ages ago, i wondered where Once-ler’s guitar hop came from, I was certain I saw it, but I couldn’t remember where.
Then I saw the hop again.
And we know Marty Mcfly probably pulled his moves from somewhere.
Chuck Berry!
It says Duck-walk up there, but Chuck Berry also did that one-legged hop, (and some consider the hop as a type of duckwalk).
And the Once-ler’s hip-moving moves could be influence from Elvis. Elvis was nicknamed Elvis the Pelvis because of how much he moved, well, his pelvis.
The pelvis moving of Elvis among his performances was mildly scandalous.
From Wikipedia:
“Ben Gross of the New York Daily News opined that popular music “has reached its lowest depths in the ‘grunt and groin’ antics of one Elvis Presley. … Elvis, who rotates his pelvis … gave an exhibition that was suggestive and vulgar, tinged with the kind of animalism that should be confined to dives and bordellos”.[109] Ed Sullivan, whose own variety show was the nation’s most popular, declared him “unfit for family viewing”.[110] To Presley’s displeasure, he soon found himself being referred to as “Elvis the Pelvis”, which he called “one of the most childish expressions I ever heard, comin’ from an adult.”[111]”
So there’s possibly some 50′s influence on his movements.
WARNING: EXTREMELY EXTREMELY LONG AND IMAGE HEAVY POST. Including copy-pasted sections of text (but not including screenshots of text), this entire post clocks in at over 13,000 words long.
To read the rest, click the link to my google drive. I tried putting it on tumblr, but the length of it means Tumblr crumbles under the attempt to save it, so I had to save it as a PDF.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Nh019Yxi_31Y5lhNXigjedQ4xJbmpP8w/view?usp=sharing
(or, attempting to use the HTML side of tumblr’s post editor, not sure if it works)
Press this post’s own permalink
https://floooopafloooopa.tumblr.com/post/624818335533727744/once-lers-guitar-hop-other-aesthetics
and hopefully a preview for the document might show up between the stars below if the HTML thing works.
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It’s a really long document so i hope I didn’t have blatant errors like accidentally deleting half a paragraph.
Also, remember this gif of Paul shaking his hair. You’ll need it, since PDFs don’t have animated gifs and I refer to this at one point.
(And if you have read my entire ramble, thank you!)
I’ve finally read all 85 pages of this analysis from beginning to end and first of all THANK YOU OP for all the hard work and research you put into this, it was such a genuine joy for me to read, I LOVED learning about the fashion and aesthetics and culture of the 1950-70s and I felt so well taken care of with all the links and refs you included. I did take notes while reading; here were the points you made that I found most interesting (and I know you invited us to add onto your post with our own thoughts/corrections/opinions so I’ll include those too):
-All the new terms I learned. Mod fashion in the 60′s, glam rock in the 70′s, yuppies, morning dress, Chelsea boots (which is consistent to when the fandom realized he was wearing boots and not shoes: [link] although his boots seem to be longer than Chelsea ones), colonizer wagon (omg 😂), the POWER SLIDE!!
-You mentioned he didn’t seem to partake that much in glam rock aesthetic but I believe the concept artists did at least consider it at one point, because of this drawing by Yarrow Cheney, where he wears oversized jewelry and platform heels:
-All the famous people mentioned and how culturally influential they were. Elvis, David Bowie, Twiggy, The Beatles…I loved that you dedicated 13 whole pages to Beatles hair. I think you’re right in that his hair was supposed to be a rebellious “moptop”; it’s more obvious in concept art than it is in the final movie design (the following is by Sergio Casas):
-That clip of the Beatles interview where they were totally owning all the news reporters trying to dunk on their hairstyles. No wonder they were so popular among teenage girls LOL
-Waistcoat - the fandom had always called it a “vest” (and instead of greedler and oncie, some ppl used the terms suitler and vestler), so I looked up what the difference was between waistcoat and vest and it seems there’s no difference; “vest” is more an American term and “waistcoat” is European, though a couple sites said a waistcoat is more formal
-The term “Peacock Revolution” made me smile because the fandom had associated the Once-ler with literal peacocks before: [link] [link] [link]
-How androgynous his fashion was - his women’s mod glasses, and his opera gloves, but I want to add that his suit buttons are on the women’s side, as well: [link] and thus, following the button holes upward on the right side, they also placed his boutonniere on the right lapel, when it’s supposed to be on the LEFT lapel always (I’m skeptical of whether they did this on him intentionally though) [link]:
-The possibility that he set out on his journey not only to pursue the American Dream but also to dodge the Vietnam draft skdhgkjg
-How, in the context of the 60′s, the aesthetics he chose for himself pre-biggering were already considered “futuristic”, from his mod clothes/accessories to his stratocaster. I loved the way you worded your headcanon that these items may have been “a promise to himself” to aim for “upward social mobility”, which he did! He updated his fashion as soon as he was rich enough. All out of the desire to live in a modern world, to be revolutionary, and to avoid a life of stagnation. And then this part you wrote on page 82:
Basically these headcanons made me cry, and I felt like I was in 2012 again, reading @once-ler-fluff‘s analyses (most of them now deleted, sadly) and falling hard for the onceler :,)
-I know your headcanon is that Once-ler started his journey around 1971, but if you’re interested, there is a very underrated and amazing askblog called @398thneedvilledrive which has a Once-ler based in the 1960′s, and the mod draws him in 60′s fashion in a lot of their posts! It’s like getting transported back in time, I highly encourage a look!
-And lastly it was really cool to see my Once-ler suit buttons post being mentioned ♥ Thank you!
I don't know if this can be of any use to help you people discover the time period in which the events between the Once-ler’s arrival and fall occurred, but I think I would not lose anything by sharing my little hypothesis. I clarify that I am not a certified expert in the central element of my hypothesis; I am just a mere amateur who has dedicated some years to this hobby. Without further ado, let's get started.
Some people have written hypotheses regarding when the events between the arrival of the Once-ler to Greenville (later, “Thneedville”), and the end of his business, based on certain cultural elements (such as clothing and music, for example).
However, I would like to delve into the technological aspect. Yes, I am aware that many electrical devices that we see in the movie have been altered to fit into the Dr. Seuss’ world. But even so, I would like you to pay attention to an element forgotten until now:
The photographic cameras.
We have two models to analyze, so I'll start with the “simplest” one.
At first, it can mislead us the fact that it has a built-in bulb flash and is therefore a professional camera used by the press. However, the use of bulb flash was already extensively used for home cameras since the 1940s, as we can see in this Kodak Brownie Hawkeye model (released in 1949):
Although the model of this camera does not resemble any model that we previously know, I will venture to affirm that it is a fusion between these types of cameras:
Fujica Half (Fuji, 1963)
Fujica Half 1.9 (Fuji, around 1963)
Fujica Drive (Fuji, 1964)
All Demi Series (Canon, 1963-1966)
Canon Demi (Feb., 1963)
Color Demi (Oct., 1963)
Demi S (Sept., 1964)
Demi C (Apr., 1965)
Demi Rapid (Jun., 1965)
Demi EE17 (May, 1966)
To support on these claims, I relied on two aspects of the camera used here: the lens, and the shutter.
It may not be able to be seen with the naked eye, but if we look closely, we can notice that the lens' size is compact, or better known as “pancake” (between 9 and 40mm). When comparing it with the type of lens used in the Fujica Half 1.9, we can find certain similarities, such as the length and width of the lens, in addition to both being half-frame type.
It should be noted that both types of cameras used in The Lorax are of the half-frame type; To delve a little into this aspect, I will quote the Wikipedia article:
“A half-frame camera is a camera using a film format at half the usual exposure format. A common variety is the 18×24 mm format on regular 135 film. It is the normal exposure format on 35mm movie cameras. For still cameras using the 35mm film, the usual format is 24×36 mm, so still cameras taking 18×24 mm exposures are called half-frame cameras.”
In addition, this type of photographic capture format was in fashion during the 60s. And, as we can see in the below comparison, the reflection in the lens makes us think that it is this type of format:
And, adding another speculative element, this type of photographic capture would only focus on the figure of the Once-ler, giving him the full attention of the lens. And, considering his desire to be admired and praised by the masses, we can come to understand the use of this type of film.
As a small section, you can actually use a bulb flash in this type of camera. Specifically, of the Class M type; in addition, it was also compatible with electronic flashes.
And lastly, this type of shutter was used on the Fujica Half and Fujica Drive models, as can be clearly seen in the images:
Regarding the type of camera housing, the Canon Demi series was most likely used as a base, since both have a frame with rounded edges, and a round viewfinder:
In conclusion, we can deduce that this camera was inspired by the Fujica Half, Fujica Drive, and Canon Demi Series, all of them manufactured between 1963 and 1966.
Although the subsequent analysis can give us an idea of when the events took place during the youth of the Once-ler, the element that gives us more clarity on the matter is this camera:
Clearly, it has been highly influenced by the Nikkorex (Nikon) AUTO 35, which was released in September 1964:
In addition to the obvious similarity in the housings of both cameras (with slight variations), the most notable feature is that the shutter for both is located directly in front, and not above (as in most cameras).
(Higher gif resolution here)
With this said, I hypothesize that the events between the Once-ler's arrival in Greenville and the end of his odyssey happened during the 1960s, specifically between 1963 and 1966-1967.
Thank you very much for reading this essay, I am open to comments, corrections and debates (preferably in Spanish).
Sources:
Nikon page Leitz Museum Kodak List Canon Museum CorsoPolaris Camera Manuals (Fujica Half 1.9) Butkus Camera Manuals (Nikon AUTO 35) Digital Camera Lens Buying Guide Pancake Lens Carole Cohen Photography
For the “Dress Your Fave as The Once-ler” charity, from the “The Once-ler Latino” Spanish-speaking fandom with love.
¡LO AMOOOO! ¡¡¡EL FANDOM LATINO ESTA VIVO, AHUEVOOOOOOOO!!!
Muchas gracias, es lo mínimo que podía hacer por el fandom en español :'D
For the “Dress Your Fave as The Once-ler” charity, from the “The Once-ler Latino” Spanish-speaking fanpage with love.
Todavía me encanta el Marguel, que no se les olvide
Alguien debía comenzar la ship en este lado del mundo (?)
Esto fue todo lo que pasaba por mi mente en ese entonces
“Un año ha transcurrido desde aquel viaje inesperado a la Tierra de los Muertos, y los sueños de Miguel han ido solidificándose lentamente. Y ahora que su vida ha cobrado un giro normal, no era equivalente a que esta careciera de sorpresas, sinsabores y el costo a pagar por entrar de lleno a la preadolescencia. Su familia y amigos jugarán un papel importante en los traspiés que alcance a dar, a la par que comenzará a reconocer las palpitaciones en su corazón, y hacia quién iban dedicadas.
Un nuevo reto para sus habilidades musicales se abría, y las puertas de la infancia de Miguel se cerrarían lentamente…”
Long-fic Marco x Miguel, puedes leerlo aquí: https://my.w.tt/oAvtZiV1TO
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Capítulo 2, "Normal".
“Un año ha transcurrido desde aquel viaje inesperado a la Tierra de los Muertos, y los sueños de Miguel han ido solidificándose lentamente. Y ahora que su vida ha cobrado un giro normal, no era equivalente a que esta careciera de sorpresas, sinsabores y el costo a pagar por entrar de lleno a la preadolescencia. Su familia y amigos jugarán un papel importante en los traspiés que alcance a dar, a la par que comenzará a reconocer las palpitaciones en su corazón, y hacia quién iban dedicadas.
Un nuevo reto para sus habilidades musicales se abría, y las puertas de la infancia de Miguel se cerrarían lentamente…”
Long-fic Marco x Miguel, puedes leerlo aquí: https://my.w.tt/oAvtZiV1TO
The (alebrije) elephant in the room.
So, here it goes the reason of my absense of the fandom. And the cancelation behind my fics and fanarts and almost everything.
I feel excluded. And ignored.
On a fandom of a movie made about my own culture, what I see everyday, what I live, what I breathe every day (or every other day since I’m not living on a small town like Santa Cecilia, but on the big monster that Guadalajara is), I feel excluded.
I’m not the only one, a lot of the other mexicans on the fandom feel excluded and erased.
Since the begining we’ve been there trying to answer your questions, trying to be beta-readers to make everything you do feel more authentic. But at the end, if it doesn’t like you, you just ignore it. I still remember when people just got… sad? about me making a comentary about Imelda maybe being homophobic if she only thought that Hector left her for Ernesto -on a romantic/sexual way- (because, let’s face it, Mexico has a HUGE problem of homophobia, last saturday the Pride Parade and the celebration of the Mex-Corea match were on the same place and the soccer aficionados yelled the infamous “EEEEEEH PUTO!” chant to the lgbtiaq people and allies participating on the parade).Because people of the early XX century were like that and I’m trying to be true to that part of history and culture, wether I like it or not -but I also have to be true to the sexism of my own culture, I love Mexico but… love is not idealization or erasing the ugly parts. Is recognizing that ugly parts and work to come over them-. We’ve been telling a lot of people that maaaaybe something is not right about their stories or content or even headcannons because it doesn’t suit what our culture is. And you’re not doing any good erasing neither history or what Mexico is, because you’re erasing people and their daily struggles and joys.
Is disheartening that we’re trying to share with you our culture, since you liked it all and just erase us, ignore us.
And I can continue and continue on cases where we were misplaced as sources over other people that aren’t mexican or of mexican ancestry. Or even on content. It’s dishearting to having to self-translate ourselves to reach more people and don’t get almost any notes compared to non-mexican writers. And it’s not out of jealousy, that people are really talented, but here we’re, really trying to translate to you what we see, how we feel and what our culture is using this wonderful characters and see that it just falls on deaf ears and blind eyes. And sometimes reading non-mexican people stories feels like… just seeing another sitcom, a foreign sitcom or drama, with their own locations and cliches (mind you, even if we have told that certain stuff or tropes doesn’t apply here, mostly for monetary reasons), not authentic. Enjoyable but not authentic….which is actually a reason why the new mexican cinema can’t just get popular, because they’re copying american storytelling and locations, while we all are watching like “yeah sure, because thaaaaat happens”, for example the mexican remake of 3 idiots (a movie from India) where the supposedly struggling middle-class students are studying on the most expensive college in Mexico and eating Little Ceasar’s pizzas everyday and living on big comfy houses? Like, it’s not realistic at all. Really, six years and a lot of friends from college prove me right (I just know one guy living on a big-fancy-house like in an american college sitcom because his mum is an academic at my college -on a different campus, near my hometown, though he studies on Guadalajara too-. One out of… fifty people that I know that are studying far from home?). And I get it, you want to read stories that you can relate to, but… it’s like me trying to write a story about someone in America or on Spain, if I do my investigation but at the end I just decide to ignore core points of their cuture or the actual advice of someone living there, it will not feel right, and it will be wrong if I get praised over actual authors of that nations. (Before someone coments about the irony of my coment, Pixar went here and asked stuff and actually put mexican people on charge to make everything right). If you just don’t understand that our lives are different because of monetary resons (hey, there’s a reason why a lot of mexicans emigrate to the USA or practicaly anywhere else where salary is better, we work the most on the planet but that doesn’t reflect on how much we do) or don’t want to, then just-don’t-do-it until you understand or just don’t do it, period.
Literally this fandom has whitewashed itself.
I’m still open to give you any information that I can give you about Mexico, but please, don’t erase anything. Please don’t ignore us and what we want to say. But I’m not sure to write anything again, or not soon.
FINALLY someone dare to say it.
I love Coco in more ways that I could ever thought, it made me write again, and made me meet wonderful people I’m super glad they are now part of my life but lets be honest.
Whitewashing.
Whitewashing not only means to draw a character with a skin color that looks way paler to be canon, whitewashing also means that characters that are not white are acting, thinking, feeling white.
But it’s not only that, it’s also cultural appropiation.
And don’t dare to tell me that it is not the case when you completely ignore the historical accurancy just to make Héctor and Ernesto go on a tour in the US in canonverse, even when many of us tell you many times that “it was a time of war, that wasnt’ even possible” and then again, you ignore it.
Or what you describe looks way more from a El Zorro movie even more americanized and just no! Seriously, no!!
The descriptions of the places, even how the family dinamic works feels so foreing, not mexican at all.
Coco made it great because the team took all the opinions, comentaries, historic research, cultural research, tales and experiences that every single mexican gave to them. That’s why we all love it, becase it doesn’t feel that foreing (even if it is and has its fauls on that).
As I have been saying since the beginning.
ASK A MEXICAN, THERE ARE PLENTY OF MEXICANS THAT CAN TELL YOU IF IT WORKS OR NOT.
But also
RESPECT WHAT PEOPLE SAY TO YOU AND DON’T DO CULTURAL APPROPIATION!!
Is disgusting.
And i’m being serious with the whitewashing and the cultural appropiation things.
It can’t snow on Santa Cecilia, Miguel doesn’t go to a fancy school, the Rivera family is not poor.
Just ask how it actually works!
And don’t ignore what people tell you about it.
This is extremely important.
If a big company (such as Disney and Pixar) understood that talking over Mexicans and APPROPRIATING OUR CULTURE was WRONG, you shouldn’t have such a bad time grasping the concept.
Be humble. Appreciate the culture without trying to take it away from us. Do not mute our voices when it is not convenient for you, choosing to acknowledge our existence (and humanity) only when it suits you best.
As Adrian Molina said: “Representation matters”.
That’s what I like about this fandom. It made a lot of people around the world to have curiosity about Mexican culture, my culture. Pixar made a great work researching about how Mexico really is, and I’ll always be really grateful with them for that.
There’s a lot of talented people in this fandom, and I enjoy their work, but let’s be honest: some of their work just doesn’t represent us right. The mexican part of the fandom (including me) have always being opened for answer or post about how our culture is. Yet, I’ve seen many artwork and fanfic showing more a mix between USA and Mexican culture, and that’s just not the same.
Life in Mexico are VERY DIFFERENT from USA or any other country in many aspects: school system, buildings, slang, weather, social classes (middle class in USA is way different to middle class in Mexico), work culture, even aspects like the army, tv or restaurants are NOT like the USA’s. Let alone history aspects. And I’ve seen a lot of artists, specially writters (here and Whattpad) describing some of those things in the american way.
Again, we’re not asking you to be 100% accurate ‘cause we know that’s impossible. But again, you’re free to ask if you have any doubts. We’ll be glad to answer your questions!! Even we’ll be glad to translate into spanish any quote or line!! Remember, you’re writting about a culture that is not yours, and people around the world would watch it and think that’s how things really are in Mexico, when that’s not true.
So, if you want to write or draw about another culture or another country (not only Mexico), PLEASE, at least make a good research or ask someone from that country.
We have a lot of things in common, and that’s great, but one of the cool things about cultures is their differences, that’s how you learn how huge and colorful the world really is.
I always feel horrible when this happens to any culture, doing your research is one thing, but respect is a complete other. Respect everyone and their lifestyles and cultures. Everyone deserves that.
Yesterday night someone asked me why do we “wait” that much to speak and saying it out loud.
Because I thought I was alone, I thought it was only me, but it is not. Many people, mexican AND not mexican feel this way.
So it’s an actual problem in the fandom right now.
Finally somebody said it!
Frankly, these are most of the reasons why I preferred to isolate myself from the English-speaker fandom, I just couldn't deal with them anymore. Many people just abused too much from our generosity and goodwill and now that we finally got angry at them, it's more likely that some of them will try to blame us for that. Because everybody and everything has to fit in their Americanized vision or it'll not be "appealing enough" to them.
I'm just done with the English-speaker fandom, I prefer to teach about my country only to people genuinely interested in our cultures without being afraid that they'll just ignore what I'm telling them just because it's not convenient to them.
¡Buenas! Soy una escritora nueva principalmente de fanfics Marguel (otras ships se irán añadiendo en el futuro muy probablemente). He abierto una cuenta en Wattpad, y estoy tomando peticiones pequeñas para one-shots de preferencia en lo que me acostumbro al aspecto psicológico de los personajes. ¡Pero definitivamente haré long-fics también!
¡Sería un placer si me dieras una oportunidad para mostrarte las ideas que quiero compartir al mundo!
Si te interesa leer mis fics Marco x Miguel, haz click aquí 💙❤
Esp text: any other ship without Hiro.