Galactic Bichard

[galacticbitchard]

I know we've all talked about all the parallels between vsmp members, but I need to talk about the possible parallel between Pyro and Scott, specifically how they view being turned.

We all know how Pyro was turned, non-consentually and violently and filled with fear and betrayal. But we also know that later on, not only does he embrace being a vampire, he starts talking about how being turned was a gift and how he wanted it. They basically starts to block out/ignore/forget the trauma of being turned and only remembers/talks about the good and how he likes being a vampire.

In contrast, Scott does claim that he paid a vampire to turn him (and therefore, his turning would have been consentual and likely wouldn't have hurt much if at all) but we also know that v!Scott (and other Scott characters in general) is manipulative. Specifically, while he's extremely manipulative to others, based on other Scott characters, he is likely also extremely manipulative to himself. He very well could have had a terrible and/or traumatizing turning that he didn't want. If he did, he would have twisted it to himself in his own mind to protect himself. After all, it's easier to accept things if you think you chose it. And especially with how long he's been a vampire, he likely has a lot of gaps in his memory or remembers things differently than they happened.

Basically, it's very possible that Pyro and Scott both embraced vampirism and started remembering their turnings as something they wanted in order to save themselves, their psyche, and retain the thought they they were in control, that they wanted it. And, it would also mean that the way Pyro spiraled so fast could have also been something Scott did early on. Plus, it could mean Scott didn't like Pyro very much because he subconsciously saw his younger self, a version of him he doesn't want or care about anymore, in them.

[galacticbitchard]

I have an idea. V!Scott who built up his immunity to garlic and silver. It's hard to build one up for sunlight or holy water, but before he was put to sleep (and all his effort was erased because he no contact with either for so long) he made sure to build up his resistance to garlic and silver. He's not an idiot, infant he's quite cunning, so he would realize how big of a weakness they are and would do what he could to build an immunity to them.

For silver, it would be more difficult because he can't get rid the burning but he would build up his resistance until he can at least get near/hold it without flinching. He'd also try to figure out a way to make it so silver doesn't make him as weak, even if only by a small amount, because every little bit counts.

For garlic he'd start by being in close proximity/holding or smelling it for extended periods of time, but he'd eventually work his way up to taking small bites of it and trying not to puke it back up. He'd do it over and over again until he can eat at least one thing of garlic either without getting nauseous or without letting it affect him. He'd do it until he can function normally after eating garlic.

And he would do everything he could to build up these resistances because he's cunning. He's been an aristocrat for his entire life and has not only seen how such blatant weaknesses brought others down, he's been the one responsible for many people's downfalls by uses such weaknesses (even though it was more politically than through assassination) and he won't let that happen to him. After people start trying to kill him while using silver or garlic to weaken him, he'd try to speed up his resistance training (especially if they almost succeeded). And it works. People who try to weaken him with silver or garlic before killing him are always in for a rude awakening (not that they ever wake up again afterwards). (It does also mean he becomes quite disappointed when he realizes after waking up that all his work didn't matter after sleeping for so long though)

[galacticbitchard]

Was talking with my brother and got on the topic of v!Scott.

Anyways, imagining v!Scott who was turned into a vampire but was a good lord/noble who ran Oakhurst (maybe other towns/areas too) in a very good way. He made them thrive. People wanted to live on his land because he was a great lord. He was well loved by his people, but over the years, they start realizing that something is off about him.

The people eventually find out that he is a supernatural being (maybe even find out he's a vampire specifically) and their first reaction is to attack him even though he's treated them so well and made their lives so much better. And he's forced to defend himself and ends up killing them. He feels terrible, but he's a practical person, so he saves the blood for later so he doesn't need to drink from so many animals. Because of course he wasn't drinking from humans yet, he wanted to blend in and drinking human blood would be too difficult to do so (especially because he's seen how vampire's appearances change after drinking too much blood).

But then he drinks this human blood and it tastes so much better than drinking animal blood and he accidentally changes to a phase 2 vampire. And well, he's already been attacked so people know he's not human (because attackers like this never know when to hide what they know, he'd know he's been a noble his whole life) so why would he purposefully change back to a weaker form?

Eventually, even though v!Scott has been trying to still run his territory well and for the betterment of his people, they just keep coming to attack him. They call him a monster just for not being human, say he's evil just because he killed others in self-defence, tell him he's incapable of doing good or helping others even though they loved him when they thought he was human. Until, eventually, not only does he care less and less for animal blood after so many humans served themselves to him on a silver platter. But he also sees less and less reason to treat the humans in his territory well if they're going to hate and try to kill him anyway. Why make it easier for them to get stronger, be healthier, live better if they're just going to turn around and try to kill him?

Now after years and years of this, of people hating him just for not being a human no matter how much he helps them, he's decided that if they're going to fear and hate him no matter what, he'll give them a reason for it. He treats them worse, makes them offer other humans as sacrifices because why wouldn't he gorge himself on the better food/blood if it's right there? He becomes a level 3 vampire both because it gives him more power and causes more fear.

He tried to treat humans well, but they turned their backs on him, forgetting that not only is he a vampire now, he's always been an aristocrat and he knows how to play these games. The difference in playing these games with violence or words doesn't mean anything, after all he had to survive this long somehow. Eventually, after however many years, v!Scott just stops caring, he doesn't feel bad about what he does, but he doesn't feel happy about anything either. It all just stops, his emotions, morality, his care and so he just continues with life doing what little he finds amusing (which usually includes scaring people).

[galacticbitchard]

I love how the orphan mech is the only reason no one knows Australians are hyper evolved ants.

[galacticbitchard]

Since Abolish became a half-vampire because his organization asked him to I have some questions. Like, did they find a way to make him able to be a vampire again but only did it halfway, or did they halfway undo the cure? Also, how fast did they figure out how to make him half vampire? They only got the cure when Abolish brought it back to them so they must have either managed to research it very fast, already had some headway on it due to knowing about full vampires, or Abolish helped them with something he found out at Oakhurst.

Cause like, researching that kind of thing especially when both becoming a vampire and becoming a human is done completely should take multiple years but it seemed like Abolish hadn't aged that much between being a human and becoming a half-vampire so it shouldn't have been that long, right? But it probably only took a few years maximum, right?

[galacticbitchard]

I was talking with my brother and we came up with a few idea that we thought would be funny to do for a season 2 of vsmp (yes we know it's not going to happen but we can pretend it will).

1. Basically, my favorite one is, after at least 200 or so years through some series of events all of the remaining vampires meet up at a specific place (my favorite thought for how was someone called Pearl and Shelby for help with werewolves or maybe Bigfoot which somehow resulted in all the other vampires coming to except Apo she just got unlucky to be in the same place) then there's a whole thing of Apo crashing out at having to see all of them again. After that through some means or dramatics, Avid shows up because he's finally come back to life and everyone freaks out because how the hell!? You died! Then through some other series of events they see Abolish (I like to think Abolish is the one who called Pearl and Shelby for the werewolves) and really freak out because you're human! How are you alive!? It's been hundreds of years! (I like to think it has something to do with being forcefully cured of vampirism and he subconsciously held on to the part of it that was most useful for him, immortality except he can be killed just won't die of old age) (or it's due to some unknown Veylocke lineage or magic that was used or it's really just a descendant of his that has his name and looks identical to him) But either way Abolish is an asshole and won't tell anyone how he's alive so they have to figure it out themselves while trying to help him with his werewolf problem.

2. There's also the one my brother came up with where Avid wakes up however many years later and comes to a city where none of the vampires are but he keeps finding people who are suspiciously similar to the Oakhurst vampires. So now he's worrying about that but also has to worry about figuring out wtf is going on because things have advanced so much and he has no idea what's happening. Also, he needs new not Victorian era clothes. Also, he possibly finds Abolish and asks for help, not realizing that he should be dead due to being y'know asleep. Abolish may or may not help him find Scott, Shelby and Drift who then may or may not freak out that Abolish is alive.

3. Then the boring one of another vsmp but with slight changes to rules/plot to not be identical, maybe involving werewolves too.

Also, I need to see them just goof off/commit shenanigans in general because I still want to know more about all of their dynamics alone and with each other and now I can't so I'm coping.

[galacticbitchard]

I genuinely believe that a decent part of why Abolish and Scott scared their enemies so much (vampires and humans respectively), outside of their PvP skills, was because of how nonchalant/apathetic they both sound at all times.

An example of Abolish being when Drift encountered him while burning down the woods and he just told her she should leave while surrounded by fire. Plus, with Shelby when he calmly killed her through insanely strategic and thought-out means, while she was freaking out and practically begging for her life, then immediately starting on Scott. All while he was talking to them completely calmly.

An example for Scott is when he let Apo kill him, he didn't fight back, he didn't freak out then, he came back after dying, he came back repeatedly all while calmly talking to Apo every time he came back until they gave up trying. Plus, whenever he was attacked no matter where he reacted like it was more of an inconvenience than anything else.

Abolish and Scott's complete apathy towards violence of any kind (against them or others) is part of what makes them so terrifying to others. Because you only become that apathetic to constant life or death scenarios for you and others if you're confident you'll survive or you've experienced them a lot before, and they're both. They're confident in their skills, used to life-threatening situations and not scared to kill someone to save themselves which makes them both terrifying and dangerous.

[galacticbitchard]

Not the continued theme of people coming to the town with trauma (usually relatively fresh). It affecting how they treated/reacted to other people, their words and intentions. Them healing a bit or finally forcing themselves to be less affected by their trauma only for it to be just barely too late. Just barely healing enough for them to be able to think logically, to be able to hear out others' points of view only for it to be when they're out of options. When they have only one option left and, for most, that option is death, whether willing or not.

[galacticbitchard]

Damn, a lot of y'all are gonna be so pissed off with the end. Specifically who lived and died. But also, all the doomed yaoi/yuri. So I'm excited to see what people say about both.

[galacticbitchard]

I will never get over Owen actually following something Avid suggested to use against Legs. He definitely wouldn't have thought to do that if Avid hadn't put it in his head. Also, Legs' actions against Avid last episode and what Avid said about him definitely made Owen more suspicious and gave him a reason to look further into the memories to figure him out.

Of course, the man Owen killed would be the one who gave him the idea for what to do with Legs. Someone whose life was taken by Owen's hand gave him the means/ammunition to take the remains of another's.

[galacticbitchard]

Literally just realized how truly screwed Apo might be. They were already in trouble with the vampires, specifically Owen and Pyro, but since she turned Sausage into one, for the humans to win, either she or Sausage will have to die. So they're not very safe with the vampires if they win and if the humans win depending on circumstances either she or Sausage will be killed off. That could definitely result in insane survivor's guilt, even more so if the humans win.

[galacticbitchard]

I don't know if I feel happy or not that I called Scott's personality definitely being at least partially because of how long he'd been a vampire. Because like it was obvious but also, I totally called that he had a severe disconnect with his own emotions because being alive that long would really only hurt if you felt emotions how one is supposed to feel them/a healthy amount. And Scott definitely was not having as bad a time as one would expect from someone who felt emotions a healthy amount.

It does make me want to know more about what conditions had to be fulfilled in the past for him to be loved by people. Were there mostly the same conditions? Were most of them completely different? Did he ever have to defer to someone else? Did he ever have to do things he didn't want to? What about being treated how some of the fledglings have been? Do y'all think he was ever been used simply as a means of becoming a vampire by someone else?

[galacticbitchard]

How fledglings treat their sire is so fun to me especially when compared to how they treat others.

Pyro basically worships Scott along with being scared of him, they generally treat other vampires with varying levels of acquaintances to best friends and he treats the humans more and more like prey/enemies each episode

Shelby treats Pyro like their sibling, treats Scott like their friend/sire, the other vampires like friends and with the humans she's friendly but will fight at the drop of a hat if deemed necessary

Apo hates/is scared of Scott, doesn't particularly like any of the vampires but is okayish with a few, namely Cleo and used to be amicable with the town but that's probably not going to stay the same after episode 7

Cleo absolutely despises that they're Pyro's fledgling, they see him as pathetic, she also sees most of the vampires as pretty pathetic but has respect for a few, namely Scott and she has a good relationship with the town but they're much closer with Pearl only really caring about her

Drift is amicable with Scott and treats him like her sire even though she was wary originally, is friendly with the vampires and doesn't really have any bad blood with the town yet

Avid is friends with Shelby, treats Scott like his sire and crush, is rocky with most vampires but is friendly with Shelby and Drift and okayish with most other vampires and has basically made himself an enemy of the town after his heist

[galacticbitchard]

Legs' character is such an interesting one to me. Like, he is trying to do good, he's trying to help people but also, he has so much trauma and he's projecting his thoughts and feelings on others. He's assuming everyone feels the same as him about things and they don't. He's trying to help them but most of them don't want help. His help has done damage to others that he refuses to see or acknowledge because he's helping them.

Legs the man who claims he's only going to give the cure to people who want it, but has said and made actions that could easily be interpreted as him trying to force the cure on others. The man who claims to have no bias against vampires but still treats vampirism as something that needs to be cured, to be fixed. The man who sees almost everyone as redeemable but once he thinks someone can't be redeemed by his standards, he tosses them from his mind because he must be right, he's seen terrible things and people so of course he would know best when someone needs to be abandoned/can't be helped. The man who claims to want to help everyone but has no problems turning his back on an 'irredeemable person' without a second thought.

Like with Owen, he's trying to help him, he sees someone who can be redeemed even when no one else, including Owen himself, believes he can be redeemed. He believes this because he sees himself in Owen and, if Owen can't be saved what does that mean for him? He's even worse than Owen there's no way he'd ever be redeemable if even Owen isn't (after all he already believes he isn't redeemable). He's trying to help him because of his trauma, because he's projecting onto Owen. After all, Owen must feel like he does about vampirism/the cure. He uses Louis against him, someone he knows is a sensitive subject for Owen because it might make him see things the way Legs does. That people like them shouldn't be allowed to live forever. Maybe it'll be able to help him convince Owen to be cured. He even goes so far as to imply that being cured is what Louis would want. He sees himself as someone trying to give Owen a second chance, the ability to redeem himself. Even though Owen saw it as an insult and a betrayal of his trust.

Legs who has used manipulation to convince people of things. From being cured to just some of his opinions. The man who is seen as a steady rock in the town, someone to be trusted but is nothing but a threat to the vampires. Someone who won't let them be unless they get cured even though they don't want it. Even though many of them have said so repeatedly. Because they must be being forced, they must have just given up when faced with Scott. If they had the chance they would still want it.

The man who is so convinced Scott is completely evil and irredeemable (to be fair he's right especially for his version of irredeemable). Because at least one of the og vampires must be evil for all of this to have happened and it can't be Owen. Because Scott has turned people and Owen hasn't. Even though both Pyro and Shelby have as well and he still thinks (one more so than the other) they can be saved. The man who could never believe Scott could be saved that maybe he used to be a good person. Because look at him, he wants to be a vampire he chose it, he enjoys it. Even though that's also what some fledglings have said, some have really enjoyed it after all. But the fledglings can be redeemed, only Scott can't. The man who has never once thought that maybe Scott only became like that after being a vampire for so long. Because that's definitely how some fledglings would start talking about/treating their vampirism if they had it for over 1,000 years. Hell some fledglings have already convinced themselves, even if only slightly that they wanted this, they chose this.

Legs, the man who bends what is and isn't acceptable to fit his narrative/perspective. Who doesn't let anyone else help him decide who is good and bad. Who decides it on his own then makes sure others start believing it too, to some extent. The man who will be as hypocritical as needed for it to fit his beliefs.

[galacticbitchard]

Hey, I may be forgetting things but, is Abolish the only human who knows about the whole needing every beacon to leave thing? Cause I finally got around to watching his pov like I've been meaning to and I know others know about it but I think it might only be the vampires. And, if he is the only one that knows then that feels kinda really significant to what his character may or may not do in the future, considering his opinions on vampires/becoming one. But, once again, I can't remember for the life of me if he really is the only human that knows.

[forethemorrow]

We know from the first episode of Abolish's POV that he's only been somewhat recently told about his family's connection to Oakhurst. We also know that v!Abolish is 25 with his parents dying 15 years ago.

This does mean there's a possibility that for his 25th birthday, Abolish got a weird and traumatic loredump about his family and some cursed town.

Another possibility is that he got specifically told on the 15 anniversary of his parent's deaths.

When you think about it, there's nothing that stops both of those from being true at the same time.

I'd like to present the idea of Abolish's very bad no good 25th birthday party. As a followup to Abolish's very bad no good 10th birthday party

[jayflying]

The inherent angst potential of Dr Legundo, experienced war veteran, being able to recognize who else in town does or does not have combat experience

Being able to recognize that the Oakhurst Militia is almost entirely unfamiliar with real combat, and even Apo's stance and weapon handling is barely acceptable by military standards, so what hope do they even have–

But also being able to recognize that Pearl and Abolish are both clearly trained to fight, with a level of refined skill that you don't get from anything other than years of practice with live weapons.

And like, with Pearl, it's obvious! She fights, she fights well— she clearly knows what she's doing, and the skill comes so naturally to her at this point that it never even occurs to her to hide it. She handles a blade almost like it's an extension of herself, with a fluid fearlessness that almost refuses to take itself seriously. The nature of her real occupation is quite possibly the least surprising thing he could've heard from her.

But Abolish doesn't fight, and so for the longest time Legs just keeps noticing the little things— the way that Abolish is so passively alert. The fact that, whenever he is left standing in one spot for too long, his stance unconsciously shifts into something carefully weighted and defensive. The way that Abolish always handles almost anything you put in his hands with a loose but controlled grip that seems to intuitively understand how it would swing as a weapon.

And Legs keeps wondering whether or not he's just seeing things, because all these little warning signs keep trying to signal to him this is a trained combatant, but Abolish is not a soldier, so what is he? Abolish certainly never talks about it, and he seems to be actively avoiding conflict and violence, so it's not as though his skill comes from a love of fighting... it's a worrying mystery, for sure. And if not for the million-and-one other crises hitting Oakhurst constantly, maybe Legs would have time to figure out how he wanted to approach asking that question.

[caliburnu5]

this is cannon, don’t even try to change my mind