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I’m not the only one who noticed the hairstyle am I?
Something I’ve been thinking about while watching season 2 of Hazbin hotel is Lucifer and Lilith’s relationship. Specifically, what may be a long standing argument/disagreement they may have.
I’m not saying they don’t love each other but I think how they view sinners put a strain on their marriage.
Lucifer completely separates himself from the sinners. He doesn’t know who the overlords are, what they’re doing or what’s being said. When he was captured and talking to Vox it seems he has pretty similar views as Adam and lute does about sinners being garbage. The fact that he’s had little to say about the fact that sinners actually can be redeemed and had no involvement in it shows how little he cares about sinners.
This is probably because sinners are walking, talking reminders of his failures and rejection of heaven.
Lilith, however, seems to have had an active part in leading the sinners and was involved in their afterlives. Out of all the Morningstars, Lilith seemed to be the only one the sinners actually respected.
This is more than likely because LILITH IS THE ORIGINAL SINNER. She was human once. She descended into hell. She understands how they feel unlike Lucifer (a fallen angel) and Charlie (a hellborn royal). And I do think Lilith enjoyed having so much influence and power over the sinners compared to Lucifer considering she was meant to submit to Adam when he was her husband.
This leads to the marital strain.
I think there’s a chance that Lilith would be hurt by and internalize Lucifer’s disregard toward sinners and Lilith may not have ever told Lucifer how she felt, hence why she’s disappeared.
Lucifer probably doesn’t even see Lilith as a sinner because she descended into hell because of him.
Season 3 is supposed to be focused on the morningstars so hopefully we’ll finally get some answers.
My thoughts on Lilith in the next season:
When it comes to the show, I think the Lilith we’re seeing in heaven is actually Eve and the real Lilith is possibly in hiding.
The fact that we only see half her face in real time or flashbacks even though we, the audience, knows what she looks like already because of all the painting/photos/and even a statue shown throughout the show is foreshadowing for Lilith not being who we think she is.
During ‘ more than anything’ and on the character cards from when season 1 came out, Lilith even has the same bangs/hair style as Eve from her introduction
Also Lilith having horns in some images and no horns in others is also a sign that the Lilith we’re seeing isn’t the queen of hell. OR since the horns show up in ‘royal family’ art (paintings/sculptures) but they’re gone in family photos it may be a sign how Lilith is multifaceted (a powerful demon and a loving wife and mother)
And I do think Rosie is also part of it. Whether she serves Lilith or is Lilith in disguise there are too many coincidences for her not to be part of lilith’s plotline (her wanting to help the hotel, her hiding alastor the same time Lilith’s been gone).
ESPECIALLY the little heart to heart Rosie had with Charlie: “it’s difficult to admit to things you’re not proud of, especially when it hurts the ones you love. She fucked up sure. She’s flawed. But hey who down here isn’t? What I’ve learned: words are cheap, but actions they speak the truth”
The ‘words are cheap’ bit strikes this theory home considering how Lilith brought the people of hell together with her songs/words
Given that context and now in season two what Vox said about how Lilith tried to go to war years ago and that Charlie admitted to not getting her mothers memory right this easily implies that that Vox may have been right but now Lilith’s trying to redeem herself
I want point out some of the things in the second season of Hazbin Hotel about Vox and how he is incapable of being original and that alastor was right that he can’t find success on his own.
When he went from a tv weatherman to owning the network he was only able to get by killing the people who previously held the positions. He couldn’t get them on his own merit.
He has no actual talent when he was alive other than to talk out his ass and possibly follow a teleprompter.
In most, if not all, of his songs in the second season he uses a lyric or motif from another characters song or he sings in a duet with another character.
His whole shtick and biggest contribution to his master plan was twisting the words of other people. He doesn’t/can’t make his own arguments.
When he asked Charlie if she believes he can be redeemed and she answers that she believes that anyone can find redemption he goes quiet and doesn’t respond since there’s no way he can twist that nor does he even give his own opinion about possible redemption
Ffs even in his solo song ‘Brighter’ he takes some of his choreography from kpop demon hunters
Baxter admits that vox pirates shows and movies from heaven and earth which is most likely where he gets tv show ideas and talking points
Even amongst the Vs if Vox wasn’t around with his tv stuff Valentino and Velvette could and will succeed without him since you can integrate shows/movies/the news into social media and people consumer porn in any media
All of this is in great contrast to Alastor who worked very hard to get a radio show where everything was dependent on what he said. Alastor had no co host and if he had a script he probably wrote it himself.
You could argue alastor is only as powerful as he is because of his deal with Rosie BUT overlords are as powerful as however many souls they possess. Vox needed every sinner in hell to be the most powerful while alastor only needed one, and he only needed that one using his clever thinking
Also Alastor could update his medium from radio to podcasts to remain relevant since they’re similar premises where as Vox honestly can’t since velvette could do what he does
For a character that called himself the god of entertainment, he wouldn’t be able to entertain anyone without somebody else to do it for or with him.
Ooookay given that season 1 of Hazbin hotel has ended I’m going to go on a rant about what I think is gonna happen going forward and questions/observations I have regarding everything SPOIILERS
The Vs are BANKING ON A WAR BETWEEN HEAVEN AND HELL. So that they can take over. I’m basing this one three things. Velvette’s song to Camilla “why are you afraid of war” backing away from a fight and making a REAL power grab. Vox smiling when Adam dies (because heaven will surely retaliate. And the finale song with Vox and Valentino may be about if full on war happens between heaven and the overlords + Lucifer and maybe the sins they can take power
I think by the end of the show it won’t be about rehabilitating sinners to get into heaven but to reinvent hell to be a better place. I can’t see pentious being happy in heaven without his egg boys, His new found friends and family, and Cherri. Plus I can’t see how a place like heaven where it just seems like a fancy gated community where everyone is probably nice and polite but most likely judgemental and not entirely good. Also I think the Hazbin hotel being a dump, seeing devastation, and then being rebuilt is HUGE foreshadowing for it.
I also think in season 2 (since I heard the main antagonists will be the Vs) there will be a divide between vox x Val and velvette. This is solely based on lyrics in their respective songs (respectless and finale) velvette says she’s the backbone of the Vs and Valentino and Vox have a duet about taking over hell and velvette is only involved when she inserts herself at the end. Like Vox and Valentino are focused on each other while velvette thinks she’s the most crucial of the Vs. I’m ultimately saying there may be a divide and conquer strategy for Charlie and the main cast to use to beat the Vs.
I think the deal Lute mentioned to Lilith was a deal between Adam and Lilith. The deal: Lilith wouldn’t lure sinners to hell to increase hell’s power in exchange for Lilith gaining access to heaven where she won’t be bothered. I think Charlie is an unreliable narrator and Lilith has reached a burn out (similar to Lucifer) and doesn’t care about the pride ring and her people as much as Charlie believes she does.
Who does Alastair have a deal with? I think the obvious answer would be Lilith because they both went missing seven years ago and maybe that’s why he’s invested in Charlie but that’s about it. Zestial said that rumors were spreading about Alastor embracing holy arms which could lead to the deal being with Sera or even Eve or someone else in heaven. Maybe the deal makes Alastor stronger (which is something he would want since he lost to Vox in a fight years ago) but he’s not capable of beating Angelic power? Again there’s not enough info but I think we’ll learn more about it in season 2 and it’ll be revealed in season 3
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HazbinHaters: The characters in Hazbin are SOOO problematic!!!
Me, the creators, and the rest of the fandom:
But tonight there’s only one thing I’m going to slay…you
SOMEONE HAS TO SHOW THIS TO ASHLEY & CO. RIGHT NOW!
(ps. which hunicast was this from?)
I made a donation mentioning this animatic (because it’s freaking amazing) so I’m hoping they saw it but who knows
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The first time they met
More memes because I mean, let's be real here... Every screenshot is pure meme material!
Some more of my favorite characters from Hazbin Hotel: Rosie, Husk, Niffty, and Cherri Bomb!
I love doing these little character study doodles; they’re challenging, but fun! And Husk, I adore you, but you are RIDICULOUSLY complicated for me to draw. :’D
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Lilith: Why are there little hand prints all over the wall? Lucifer, whispering to toddler Charlie: Why are there little hand prints on the wall? Charlie, whispering back: Because I have small hands! Lucifer: Because she has small hands.
Irene: I'm familiar with that look. Idiot problems?
Scarlet: Depends on the variations of the idiot. But all the same nonetheless.
I've always wanted to draw Irene and Scarlet interacting. Just two highly intelligent and calculating psychopaths chatting.
... An owl and a tree... I feel like there's a joke there.
Scarlet belongs to @lunefuforu
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