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I like what I like. Multi-Fandom and what not. I'm not too old for the things i like

[homez18]

Kate Babcock anon here-- yes that was sarcasm!

Glad I was right lol. I was reading it like, this feels like sarcasm and I’m reading this as sarcasm. And then I had to remember that there’s people who would legit believe that so I can’t just assume that it is. Which is sad.

[homez18]

im not the other anon but there was a post or a couple about "blaming the victim" in respect to jason todd, and if characters and the real people in the fandom were over reacting and applying real-world terms to things or if it was the correct analysis. this led to someone posting "its normal and fine to say that a woman dying because they picked up a murderous hitchhiker chose her own death, a guy who goes home with a stranger from a bar chooses his own death" because they wanted to believe their point about tim drake not blaming the victim when it comes to jason todd's murder by the joker. again, im not anon but with this context (and the specific langue they used about agency seems to be copied from these posts about how "jason had agency walking into that warehouse and its problematic to deny his agency and treat him like a victim") with this context i think they are being sarcastic and maybe assuming you saw all of those posts

That’s why I said in the tags that I wasn’t sure if it was sarcasm or not. Because people are legit saying that Jason willingly went into the warehouse because he wanted to fight joker. Got to know it was Sarcasm

[homez18]

Remember when Kate Babcock walked home by herself even though Batman told her the area was dangerous, and then when she died a couple months later Bruce lamented that she didn't have common sense and lacked reason? We need to follow his lead! We need to acknowledge 👏 her 👏 agency👏. Her choices led to her death, and we need to highlight this because there is no such thing as a perfect victim!

Remember when Jason went into warehouse because he was told joker wasn’t in there because his Bio mom lied. Remember how she tricked him, and he didn’t go into the warehouse expecting the joker because he was told he wasn’t there.

[homez18]

Bruce's instructions to Jason were not "Don't fight the Joker." That was part of the instruction, but the core of it was, and I quote -- "Stay here and DO NOT ACT. Wait for me. I will be right back."

Jason didn't listen. He had understandable emotional reasons for doing so, but he still acted. He rushed in, and that choice led to his death. Other characters acknowledging that is not victim blaming, you weirdos just twisted a term into unrecognizability because you're desperate for him to be a perfect victim. When the entire point is that perfect victims don't exist.

You'd rather strip him of his lone bit of agency in his own death than admit your blorbo made a mistake. Some fans.

Jason didn’t rush in. Holy crap lmfao. Literally showed you two panels of what happened, And you straight up ignored those panels, and said Jason rushed in. No he didn’t. That didn’t happen. He didn’t rush in to anything. Holy crwp at this point yall want to blame Jason so bad that you’re actively ignoring the panels where we see Jason was told Joker wasn’t in the warehouse, to claim that Jason rushed into the warehouse to go after the joker.

Y’all want to victim blame so bad, that even when you’re shown what actually happened, you’re still claiming that Jason got himself killed because he didn’t listen to Bruce. Y’all want so badly to not blame Sheila, or Joker, because yall want to blame Jason for something he didn’t even do.

You’d rather strip Jason of his character, to claim that his at fault for his own death, because ya’ll can’t fathom that Jason was a kid who was betrayed. Y’all want so badly to say that Sheila had zero part in what happened.

[theghostwife]

I can love Jason and still admit that he's a fucking asshole who has done some heinous shit. That doesn't mean I hate the man and it doesn't mean I ignore the shit done to him by various characters. It's called being multidimensional.

[homez18]

If you’re wrong about it, then you’re wrong. If you want to admit he’s an asshole, make sure that what you’re admitting isn’t a headcanon. Because saying that Jason uses guns because of Bruce’s trauma, isn’t a thing. That’s not why he uses guns, and actively ignores the fact that Bruce is the one who taught Jason how to use guns in the first place. So why would Jason think that Guns causes Bruce trauma?

[theghostwife]

ok. lemma unpack this real quick...

Firstly, your question why would Jason think that guns give bruce trauma is wild mainly because you asked that solely because bruce trained jason to handle guns. However, you seem to be taking that out of context because the way you phrase it makes it seem like Bruce trained Jason with another purpose rather than the one he used.

Bruce trained Jason to handle guns for three reasons.

To use as a last resort

For forensics

To learn how the weapons works

That's it. The entire time, Bruce made it abundantly clear that he hates guns but he's also someone who needs to know these things. While Bruce does seem desensitized to guns in the way he doesn't fear them, that doesn't negate his trauma stemming from guns which is where his moral code of no guns and no killing comes from. Jason's blatant use of guns and Bruce's training isn't just a fuck you to Bruce and his rules. It can't be, not when Jason knows the origin of Bruce's hatred for guns. However, I will also admit you're right...well partly when you call it a headcanon. While it has never been directly stated that Jason uses guns to use against Bruce and his trauma, it's not like it isn't backed up with context and jason's history of using Bruce's trauma against him.

Nonetheless, my original statement stands and quite frankly, I'm not gonna continue this conversation.

[homez18]

If your original statement stands then you disliking Jason because of headcanons still stands lol. You’re wrong and you don’t want to admit you’re wrong. There isn’t anything backed up by context to support your claim, literally at all.

If he had trauma about guns he wouldn’t need to teach it to them as a last resort as he’s traumatized and thus would not want them to use it that way at all. That’s literally a contradiction.

Hating guns doesn’t equal trauma, and Jason doesn’t have to dislike guns just because Bruce doesn’t like them. The same way Bruce would still use explosions even though they’re the thing that killed Jason. But I guess he has no trauma about how Jason died based on that huh.

So you’re his headcanon to dislike a character even though nothing at all shows it. Makes sense

[theghostwife]

I can love Jason and still admit that he's a fucking asshole who has done some heinous shit. That doesn't mean I hate the man and it doesn't mean I ignore the shit done to him by various characters. It's called being multidimensional.

[homez18]

If you’re wrong about it, then you’re wrong. If you want to admit he’s an asshole, make sure that what you’re admitting isn’t a headcanon. Because saying that Jason uses guns because of Bruce’s trauma, isn’t a thing. That’s not why he uses guns, and actively ignores the fact that Bruce is the one who taught Jason how to use guns in the first place. So why would Jason think that Guns causes Bruce trauma?

[homez18]

To the Jason Todd haters, yall do know what victim blaming is right?

Let me remind you all of these panels that you all conveniently forget exists or just don’t know exists

Jason did not disobey Bruce. That is not what happened. If you say Jason is responsible for his death because he disobeyed Bruce, you didn’t read this comic at all. Because as we see, Jason goes into the warehouse because he was told the joker was not there.

You cannot ignore and dismiss this fact that Jason only went into the warehouse because he was told the Joker was not in there. Because this means that Jason did not disobey Bruce. This means that Jason did not go into the warehouse after joker. This means that Jason did not fall into jokers trap

What you have to say, is well if Jason didn’t trust Sheila, that wouldn’t have happened. But you can’t say that, because you can’t find any reason for Jason to have not trusted Sheila. I’m too if that, if we use that logicC then I can say, well if Jason didn’t trust Bruce this wouldn’t have happened. It can’t be, he’s at fault for trusting Sheila, because if it wasn’t for Bruce, none of this would have happened. If Jason didn’t trust Bruce then none of this would have happened at all. So we can’t just blame trusting Sheila, we know have to say Jason is wrong from trusting Bruce as well with that logic.

I also want Jason haters to understand what victim blaming is, because it’s clear that y’all don’t know what that it. It is blaming Jason for any part of his death. If you say, Jason is responsible for his own death in anyway, that is victim blaming. That’s what that is. You cannot go, well it’s the jokers fault he’s dead, but he wouldn’t have been able to kill Jason if it wasn’t for this. Because you’re blaming Jason for putting himself in that situation. That’s what victim blaming is. You’re blaming the victim for giving their killer the ability to harm them.

[soleminisanction]

Hey do you have an opinions on the Tim Drake victim blaming Jason Todd? I’m 50/50 I’ve always see it as a I have to hold myself to this insane standard or just a he’s a kid doing him best but I’m not sure…

I honestly roll my eyes at 90% of fandom's "Jason is being victim-blamed" claims.

Like, I agree that the comics that try to argue Jason was a "bad seed" who was destined to meet a sticky end because of his upbringing or bad attitude or whatever are wrong and also kinda mean and dumb. But that's a Doylist problem of narrative framing, not anything that can or should be placed on any of the in-world characters.

But it's not "victim-blaming" to acknowledge that Jason got himself killed, ie, that he made the pivotal choice which led to his death. Bruce ask him to wait. Jason chose not to. If he had, he wouldn't have fallen into the Joker's trap, and he wouldn't have died. Like with Steph and War Games, it's taking his agency away to claim otherwise, all in the name of making them "perfect" victims.

It's also not "victim-blaming" to acknowledge his reasons and motivations for making that choice. Jason needs to be in control of that moment, because that's the real core of the tragedy. It wasn't inevitable, he wasn't somehow "destined" for a bad end, but his circumstances and choices combined to put him on that path anyway. It's the culmination of his rocky relationship with Bruce and Jason's own trauma and hang-ups about parents, specifically mothers, coming to a dramatic end that both plays into and deconstructs the tropes of the kid superhero genre.

To paraphrase an old John Green video, the core struggle of being a teenager is that of being pulled in many directions by the world around you, while also desiring to live fully and fearlessly and maybe a little foolishly. And the occasionally tragic thing is that, as a teenager, you are just grown-up enough for those understandable, natural desires to get you killed.

If that happens, it's not "your fault," but it is the result of your choices, and it's insulting and infantalizing to pretend that it's not.

In that regard, Jason's role in Tim's story, as the ghost who hangs over his adventures reminding him of the price he can and will pay if he makes the wrong decision, makes perfect sense. What people who call it "victim-blaming" are actually mad about is that the story isn't about Jason. It's not about his tragedy, it's about how his tragedy affected the people around him, the people who were left behind to continue on and the people who came after.

There's a smart post going around stating that one of the things you really have get used to -- or better yet, learn to enjoy -- about superhero comics is that there will be times when it's just plain not about your fav. And you will have more fun if you learn to embrace that, to enjoy seeing them in different lights and from different perspectives.

But some people can't or don't or don't want to do that, and so they get mad at the stories that aren't centered on their fav's feelings and perspective. And they use loaded psychiatry language to express that.

So TL;DR -- I don't believe the "victim blaming" is real. It's the result of a Jason-centric perspective on canon turned toxic. So I do what I always do with fandom people who have a bad opinion: ignore them, or block them if they're rude about it.

[soleminisanction]

A collection of good additions from the notes:

The true nature of Jason's tragedy is that it was preventable via three different sources outside of the Joker if they'd made different decisions - via Bruce, via Sheila (this one noteably the Bats wouldn't know about, which I think some of these people also forget), and via Jason himself. Guess which one the next Robin would concern himself with. Which one he would be worried about. The only actions he can directly control are his own. It's not about Jason being responsible for his own death, it's about Tim not wanting to be responsible for his own.

(via @katanahime )

Even disregarding whether or not Jason is actually to blame in some sense for his death a lot of the examples people cite of this are pre-UTRH Tim just, like, thinking internally about the risks of being Robin and it's pretty disingenuous imo to use the language of "victim blaming" (something that connotes using social pressure to shame a person for the abuse or violence they've suffered) when Jason is a dead person that Tim has never met. Tim isn't demeaning Jason for what happened to him or engaging in blame calculus to determine who's "really" at fault, he's trying to survive being Robin by looking at what the previous one did, and going "okay, let's not do that." Jason fans take this very negatively because to them Jason is a protagonist they've come to empathize with, and they know he's going to come back, so they read this as an element of a relationship between characters that they are taking a side in. But from Tim's perspective, there's no relationship in the first place, because Jason is a dead stranger. Tim thinks about Jason and his life insofar as it is relevant to Tim (i.e. largely as a lesson).

(via @mothemotics )

#disagree only on the point that the ‘bad seed’ rhetoric is purely doylist. it is absolutely in character for certain characters (alfred) to#frame it that way especially in grief. even in ditf before jasons death alfred is armchair psychoanalyzing him#and i think it makes sense to read alfreds classist biases and excuse of a moral decay as something not ooc for him in particular#but otherwise agree.#semirelated is the really bizarre way many have latched onto the language of the ‘perfect victim’ as if that is a real status one could#achieve. and that jason is somehow being denied by people?

(a fair point from @getanshi )

#I think that to truly constitute victim blaming it would have to aim some level of absolution at the perpetrator#because that’s what victim blaming is for: displacement of fault from victimizer to victim#the fact that Jason made a bad choice is never used to make the joker less culpable for his death

(via @fredricwertham )

#it would be victim blaming to say Jason's actions absolve the joker for killing him#it's not victim blaming to say someone undertaking a dangerous activity made a mistake which led to their death#the cave diver who gets turned around#the electrician who doesn't check that the power's out#the mountain-climber who doesn't pack the right gear

(via @ceescedasticity )

And finally, a good summation of points from @trekkele

#gonna paraphrase some tags:#bruce Sheila and Jason all had a hand in the lead up to the tragedy but Tim is only concerned with Jason's actions because that's who he#is the most like in terms of control and position#if it's truly victim blaming people will absolve the joker which they don't usually do <- no but they do lay majority blame on Bruce which#ironically. is a different victim to be blaming but thats a separate post#and finally : the classist framing of bad seed is mostly doylist and horrifically ooc for most characters but (again ironically) not for#alfred.#now there's a fic that would taste delicious

[homez18]

Since you ignored the last person that corrected you when you claimed that Jason’s at fault because he didn’t listen to Bruce , let’s add the panels that goes against what you’re saying and shows that you are all in fact victim blaming

In order to Claim Jason is in anyway responsible for his death, you have to claim that he was wrong for trusting Shiela. And to claim that he was wrong for trusting Sheila, you have to give a reason as to why. Why is Jason responsible for his death, when all he did was trust that his Bio mom wasn’t lying to him? This doesn’t exist in a vacuum and context matters when you’re trying to claim is responsible for his own death. So outside of, because Shiela betrayed him, why is Jason to blame for trusting her?

And Y’all don’t know what victim blaming is. Y’all are saying, Jason had a part in his death. Y’all are saying the victim, is responsible for why he died. Y’all are saying, well if it wasn’t for Jason, then the joker wouldn’t have even had the chance to kill him. Y’all are taking responsibility away from the joker, and placing it solely on, it was Jason’s decision and that decision is why he died. That’s victim blaming lmfao. Y’all are blaming the victim. Y’all are saying the victim is why they died. Straight up.

That’s like saying, well she’s response for what happened because of what she was wearing.

And just because it’s from Tim’s perspective doesn’t mean it’s not victim blaming. Because it is. Tim doesn’t know, means anything, because what DC is saying, is that TIM believes Jason’s death was his fault. Tim believes that Jason died because of what Jason did. It wasn’t, he died because the joker killed him. It’s, his death is his own fault.

[polybatcest]

as someone who has Actually Read Gotham War it’s crazy to me that ppl will bring up the bruce jason fear thing as if it’s an example of both 1) bruce choosing completely on his own and completely in his right mind to do something fucked up to jason, and 2) the narrative portraying bruce as in the right while he’s doing something bad to jason bc all comic writers hate jason todd. because like. if you actually Read The Comics

1) a major part of this entire arc is that bruce is NOT in his right mind and NOT fully in control of himself. jason literally explicitly calls this out while it’s happening—when he realizes bruce has drugged him, one of the first things he says is that this isn’t something bruce would do

2) the fact that this was really fucked up & bad is actually a major point of the comic. like from the moment it happens, the comic is consistently portraying this as a bad thing. when dick finds out about this he’s FURIOUS with bruce and immediately confronts him for it

also bit of context that is often ignored here that i think is interesting: the thing that kicks off bruce’s spiral that leads to this event is that he sees a robber who was working with catwoman get killed while robbing someone’s home. at the same time, jason starts working with catwoman and committing crimes with her. and bruce gets freaked out, not because he’s angry that jason is committing crime, but because he’s terrified that jason is gonna get killed again. and obviously i do not think that justifies what bruce does… but the comics themselves also don’t think it justifies bruce! and i do think that adds a really fascinating layer to this that gets ignored when this is discussed as if bruce is doing this bc he likes hate jason or whatever

[homez18]

I love the contradiction of, it wasn’t really Bruce that did that to Jason,” and, “but Dick beat Bruce up because he did it to Jason.”

Which one is it. Is it, well Bruce didn’t actually do it to Jason, so he can’t be held responsible for it. Or, The comic said it was bad because dick beat up Bruce for it. Because those two things cannot exist. It’s either, Bruce gets held responsible, or, it’s a fucked up thing that Bruce did

But this also unties how nothing comes from it at all, and Jason literally doesn’t care. And how it’s joker that cures him of what happened

[blanceyblance]

Lance is such an interesting character to me in part because of how the narrative wants to portray him to the point it becomes contradictory.

His "arc" is supposed to be "cocky and immature teenager grows from his need for glory into a reliable team member"

And he does! He becomes Keith's right hand man, taking charge in battle, covering the team's backs and becoming an emotional support for other members when the time was needed.

But he is also a Comedic Relief™

Other characters have comedic relief moments too, like Hunk's love for food, Pidge's excitement about tech, Keith being socially awkward, etc.

And as aggravating as Hunk's fat jokes can be they don't contradict the fact that he is a brilliant engineer and became a brave paladin. Keith's social awkwardness doesn't contradict the fact that he became a capable leader.

But then you have Pidge and Hunk, making fun of Lance being "naturally dumb", and then a space deity calling him "the dumb one"one moment then following Lance's orders in battle and having him give emotional speeches to others the other.

The writers want us to take him seriously and see he is growing only to make fun of him when its needed for a laugh.

I feel the episode The Grudge is a good example of this:

Lance finds a way to find where they left their Lions.

Hunk and Allura seem impressed but Pidge dismisses it.

That would be the end of it until later when Veronica is talking with "Keith" (actually a hacker pretending to be him) and the says "Lance has it figured out", Veronica then in a sarcastic way says "Lance, the navigation genius".

Keith agrees and that's what clues them about something being wrong.

Is it a joke about Keith being openly nice to Lance? A joke about Lance's navigation skills?

Either way, the joke is at his expense, even when early in the episode we see him actually suggesting a way to correctly navigate.

In the end what I'm trying to say is, that the writers want to have their cake and eat it too. Showing Lance growing and being capable but also making fun of him and not really having that much respect for his character.

[homez18]

You mean hunk, the character who stopped being an engineer to be a cook because he’s fat and likes food.

[homez18]

You know BKDK and do you know about shigadeku - Shigaraki x Deku, well I remember a long time ago, when I had twitter I stumbled across a ShigaDeku who was anti-BKDK, and they were bitching about how toxic BKDK is and how ShigaDeku is much better because Shigaraki actually cares about Izuku as a person and not make him feel worthless. Now I don't ship either but I had to say something and basically called them out for shipping them because Shigaraki tried to kill Izuku and it's so funny because they were like "yeah Shigaraki did try to kill Izuku once, but Bakugou told Izuku to kill himself and made him feel worthless" like 🤨 so what I'm getting at is it's ok for the other to try and kill the other potential partner but god for bid they a bully! Like don't get me wrong don't like BKDK either but I think attempting murder is a whole lot worse lol!

Lmfao. What. I never understand contradictions like this. I guess because shigaraki is a villain it’s better than someone who’s meant to be a hero doing it??? Idk, that’s so weird, it makes no sense.

But villain stans operate on a whole different plane. And I don’t even know if they’re a villain Stan, but they’re defending shigaraki and making things up about his character, so it tracks

[dabislittlemouse]

“You only mad cause your fav character died” no, the ending was garbage and poorly written, rushed and threw all that amazingy built story to the trash. Dabi dying hurts, but what I’m more mad about is the way his death was utterly meaningless, the way his bonding with his family never focused on HIM but focused more at Endeavor and his atonement, how we were never shown a decent chapter to end the Todoroki family arc, nothing but only Endeavor’s sorry ass being supported and forgiven by his family (except my goat Natsuo). How we are shown so little of the society actually changing, and this series was about how everyone can be saved yet all the villains (who were abused victims of this society) died and never got justice.

His death makes me angry of course. But even angrier, the way all of this was so so poorly executed, it’s like the author got lazy, wrote 5 chapters and just called it a day. Disappointing

[narukouzumakinamikaze]

You’re mad because your favorite character died. There’s a lot wrong with the ending, but dabi dying isn’t one of them

Because, what do you mean Dabi’s death is meaningless? Dabi wasn’t the only victim in that family and the family dealt with what they went through on their own. Like, what do you mean it was pointless? Because they didn’t cut Enji off? Why are you mad that victims all don’t react the same or do the same thing

And Dabi’s character had nothing to do with society changing, so why would Dabi’s character have anything to do with that? His character had to do with family abuse. Endeavor is shown to be the only hero who has ever abused his family.

The villains were not abused victims of society lol. Y’all need to stop with that. Toga was at the most abused by her parents. We never see them again. Shigaraki was abused by his father, and he’s dead, and then groomed by AFO and he’s dead. We never see Mutant racism so we wouldn’t even know what would change in the series regarding that. Dabi was abused by his father who can never be a hero again and never achieved his dreams, and the victims of endeavor can decide how they want to deal with it the way they want. So what do you mean they never got justice? They didn’t even want justice in the first place

[dabislittlemouse]

“Dont mess with us bnha fans we dont read the manga” 🤡

Imagine saying the villains werent abused victims of society, did you read the manga with your eyes closed perhaps?? Did you even fully understand what the villains were fighting for? Did you watch Dabi’s backstory, Spinner’s backstory? Twice’s?

Dabi’s character had nothing to do with society changing? What about Dabi’s dance and his reveal on national tv? What was that for huh?

They didn’t want justice?? Then what were they fighting for? My god….

Literally I dont have time to argue with people who lack basic reading comprehension skills, it feels like I’m talking to a wall. Go back to watching the show and read the manga with eyes open this time

[homez18]

Imagine talking about reading comprehension and then claim that spinners backstory had anything to do with society changing lmfao. Couldn’t be me. Because then I’ll be delusional into thinking that Hori actually wrote Mutant racism into his story.

Let me guess, Dabi wanting to kill shouto was also about justice and changing society. Dabi saying that it’s a shame Natsuo didn’t die to hurt endeavor was all about changing society. Because, you know, Dabi’s character was about Isu to r and changing society so his siblings had to also die for that, despite being victims. But villains Stan’s don’t care

Imagine making up that the villains wanted justice, and then being so delusional that you think it’s in the actual manga. Imagine talking about basic reading comprehension when you’re using a headcanon.

[xxking-glitcherxx]

Saw someone say that Adam and Curtis are both just strangers a while ago, and it still makes me mad

Yes, Adam is a stranger TO US, not to Shiro.

In the flashback, when Shiro tells Adam that Admiral Sandra doesn't want him on the mission, and then Adam agrees with her, Shiro says "don't start that AGAIN, Adam..."

Then later Adam says "...every mission, every drill, I've been right there by your side..."

Shiro has known Adam for years based off his dialogue.

Shiro has no flashbacks interacting with Curtis, we don't know if Shiro has known him for years or not

VLD crew introduced Adam then killed him. Adam was only created to make Shiro feel more pain. I would've been fine with Curtis if they didn't create Adam, or I would be fine with Adam's death if they didn't create Curtis

It's just sad that Shiro has to go through unnecessary pain even after everything he's been through.

[homez18]

We don’t know what Shiro and Adams relationship is so your logic doesn’t work.

[starshineswirl]

I lowkey hate that it’s assumed that Keith and Adam’s relationship fell apart after Shiro died at Kerberos. Because yes, Keith is an angry person and yes, he would have been absolutely furious and full of rage at times after hearing the news.

But. Grief is messy and complicated and we have to assume that there were some days where he was hurting and scared and vulnerable.

And that’s where Adam comes in.

Because really, all they had left of Shiro was each other. There had to be times where they hugged and comforted each other. Times where Adam dried Keith’s tears and pressed kisses to his hair in hopes that it could show Keith that everything would be okay. Times where Keith made dinner or cleaned the apartment when Adam was too depressed to do it himself.

I have to assume that Keith was particularly clingy with Adam some days too — especially after nightmares hit or the days that followed the memorial service. And when he got that scared and vulnerable, he would stick by Adam’s side the whole day or crawl into bed beside him. All because he needed to seek out Adam’s comfort and — more importantly — his security. 

Because, really. This boy lost his mother.

His father.

His brother.

I have to assume he sure as hell wasn’t about to lose Adam too. 

[homez18]

Nothing is assumed because they never had a relationship in the first place lol. There is no relationship between Keith and Curtis for you to claim that there’s any assumption in the actually show lmfao

[class1akids]

Why are people even having a meltdown about the rankings Lmaoo. They shouldn’t even be there in the first place and plus I don’t even think Katsuki cares. Partly because I truly believe he’s grown past his obsession with the rankings and has a different benchmark for being the ‘best’ and partly cuz Deku wasn’t there competing with him. Pretty sure he spent all his down time obsessing, planning and plotting and saving every penny for that suit

I've seen this "Bakugou won't compete unless Deku is there" kind of take become popular and I have to say, I don't find it convincing.

Bakugou's first redeeming quality revealed at the Sport Festival is how seriously he takes each and every opponent he faces, how he always goes for the maximum, how he always gives his best, how he feels it's utter disrespect not to do the same.

Are you telling me that Mirio, who saved his life is not worth the effort? That he won't show respect to Mt Lady and Kamui Woods? That he'd half-ass it against Todoroki after he spent months begrudging Shouto for half-assing the finals?

To me, that sounds really out of character. Not because of an obsession with the rankings (a la Endeavor), but because the Bakugou I know does not know the meaning of the words "hold back" and would show his respect by giving it his all.

I think it's perfectly plausible he wouldn't be No 1 immediately, what more, I think it is good for his character if he (relatively) struggles (I mean the guy is comfortably Top 10 obviously).

There are many plausible reasons - his arm is still not 100%, there are not so many large-scale fights for him to really stand out (everyone can catch thieves), his quirk is not the best suited to large-scale rescue/disaster scenarios, things from his past can come back (the SF restraint, the kidnapping, but once he becomes a celebrity, it wouldn't be odd to see his MS class mates spill the beans on his bully behavior), he has rough manners and an explosive temper that work against him.

Let him be bad at public relations, and understand and continue to learn the value of intangibles that Mirio has (like being well-spoken, reassuring, funny, likeable) and continue to better himself.

To me, that was always the essence of Bakugou - how he learnt to recognize his own weaknesses and kept at fixing them until he overcame them. I'm sure he'll get to No 1 at some point, but I think it's more interesting if he keeps bumping into walls to overcome, if he has tough competition (not just Deku, but really everyone at that level) and he keeps striving for his goal with all that he's got.

[homez18]

Why don’t you find it convincing? Everything about his character is about how Deku pushes him to be better. Without Deku how can he be better. Besides he wants to be a hero with Deku. So it makes sense that without Deku bakugou doesn’t have the push to be better or to want to be better

[ntendo]

this is so important to me

[heyyallitsbeth]

MHA SPOILERS:

the fact Himiko and Nemuri died and yet fuckin Edgeshot and Best Jeanest and Gran Torino are alive is WILD- like edgeshot is a single thread and Jeanest got his back blown out by AFO- literally spine decimated and he’s just fine and good?

But nah just kill the women I guess- the only people that can really die are Himiko Nemuri and Magne I guess-

[homez18]

So shigaraki didn’t die?