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Toxic fandom encompasses a range of negative, abusive, and antisocial behaviors by fans, usually via social media. Learn about fandom and toxic fans.
Very relevant to this blog. This is why I don't engage in fandom. That and time.
Crawling out from the Hell pit....
I wanted to add onto Persistentlyfem's posts regarding the situation on Elise. If you have been the target of her abuse, know that you are not dealing with a garden variety troll. You encountered a mentally unstable individual who will create "life ruining lies" for her own amusement. Keeping track of her lies is like being a detective. She does this because this is how she thrives. She isolates her victims and create smear campaigns against her targets. This is why it's so hard to keep track of her abuse. This is how narcissists get away. She has done this here and on Livejournal. She will join a community or a fandom and create a following. She will smear anyone she perceives as a target with slander. I know of at least two people who have attempted to kill themelves. Another one went to see a therapist. She got away with a lot of shit due to her influence and her privilege. It's not enough for her to be a part of a community, she wants to control it. This is why she wants to be seen as an expert or an elder. She is one reason why fandom is no longer fun. She changes fandoms and communities as often as I change my knickers. For narcissists, it's about creating a following. They have to constantly create new personas, new identities, new roles, new lies.
What do you think is going on with persistentlyfem?
I do not follow them and as I have heard they're just making a lot of transphobic remarks and posts so I'm just kind of like yeah no thanks.
I donât have the full story but Iâve got a fair bit so *cracks knuckles*
Elise (née persistentlyfem) made friends with a trans woman via her butch/femme gossip supper club. This trans woman opened up to her about being assigned male even though it was one of those spaces where her butchness meant she passed as a transmasc butch.
She then sees Elise doing her usual thing (harassing people extremely viciously on the internet) and says to her âyou need to stop, thatâs abusive.â From what she told me, she meant it in a caring way where you want your friends to grow as people and cause minimal harm.
Elise, being a rational and level headed individual, decided that she actually cannot enact abuse, so therefore this trans woman was abusing *her*!
So Elise stalks this trans woman on Reddit, finds her account and starts replying to every one of her posts calling her a rapist. Then once this trans woman understandably freaked out and deleted everything, Elise starts writing this really nasty fanfic bullshit about the poor girl on /r/truscum, in spite of being a fucking cis woman. Then whenever someone said âimagine a butch trans woman yuckâ Elise would use that opportunity to hone her creative writing skills by saying she knew a trans âwomanâ (quotes hers) who wanted a total mastectomy and was a rapist and got off on tricking woman into fucking her and was making up being autistic and so on. Just real total smear campaign shit, literally every facet of her identity was twisted into supposed proof that she was actually the main character in the novel Adam.
The most fucked part is that this trans woman had been staked before and nearly killed herself, and she told this to Elise, so as far as Iâm concerned, Elise tried to kill her.
Iâve seen screenshots of this stuff and itâs just absolutely fucked, totally unhinged shit. I might post them if I get permission.
So this trans woman is taking part in this thing that ended up being a huge thing in Sydney, the Butch Fashion show that opened Mardi Gras. Iâm told the organisers were clueless (not butch or femme and mostly just insulated away from any real community) and so they just thought Elise was an elder based on her running of the Butch-Femme group, but Elise came to be a femme in the 90s I think. Sheâs harassed actual elders that I personally know into hiding.
So, naive as hell, they give her a VIP ticket. The trans woman is getting more and more scared as she sees Elise writing more and more violent fan fiction about her, and so eventually she approaches the organisers and says she needs to pull out of the show because she canât do her performance with Elise sitting in the front row like sheâs not a violent victim-complexed bigot.
The organisers donât want her pulling out of the show so they ask whatâs going on, and the trans woman sends them screenshots. She asks that they not confront Elise because she now understands just how volatile Elise is, but these are neoliberal âsee the best in peopleâ kinds of organisers so of course they decide to confront her before revoking her ticket. Elise immediately flies off the handle and accuses them of protecting a rapist, before going into inane babbling about how sheâs gonna âgo publicâ (her fan fiction).
Distressed as hell, the trans woman still does the show and has a great time, but the next morning on the Butch/Femme gossip group page thereâs this huge cancellation post about her she âassaultedâ Elise in her apartment. According to the trans woman, she was over there to give Elise pro bono weed from her personal stash because Elise goes through half an ounce a week, and she was in a bad mood already when Elise started bragging about âabsolutely demolishingâ some poor Tumblr kid whoâd drank a bit of Kool-Aid. So when Elise says assaulted, what she means is âI got yelled at for giving a child trauma but since Iâm a white cis woman thatâs assault.â
So anyway, the trans woman spirals and goes underground for a few months, as any one of us would in such a violent situation.
Elise eventually decides to start spewing TERF shit on Tumblr so I made this account under a different URL just to document it. Iâve documented her abuse before but this was to be the crĂšme de la crĂšme master doc.
The mutual friend between me and this trans woman sees my new account, realises itâs me, and puts us in touch at my request, because I really wanted to know what made olâ Ellie go full bigot when she used to fight tooth and nail for trans woman inclusion.
I wasnât surprised to learn that in the years since she harassed me sheâs devolved into this paranoid shell of a woman that spent all her time alone getting high in a decrepit apartment that seemingly hasnât been ever cleaned.
Even more disappointing, however, is that she has such a hard time separating her feelings from reality that she decided to generalise a beef with a single trans woman to all trans women everywhere. She already hated nonbinary people but kept it on the down low (or at least she thought she did, Iâve heard tell of a time that someone introduced themself with their pronouns and she had the gall to roll her eyes).
So I told the trans woman to just wait. Elise had gone full bigot and we just needed her to slip up. Eventually, the time came.
Elise posted a graphic on her business account that said something along the lines of âitâs hard to know if a business is truly safe, but with me you donât have to worry because my business is truly queer and trans inclusive.âïżŒ
So I got a friend to give me the login details to their meme account and I replied to that post with a comment detailing that it was a blatant lie, sheâd actually been calling trans woman âtrans identified malesâ on Tumblr, calling nonbinary people who were AFAB âwomen with internalised misogynyâ and blankety stating that any butch whoâd been assigned male is a rapist in sheepâs clothing.
It took her over and hour to delete my comment and then she freaked out and went into panic mode, and she did exactly what I expected, something that would have hurt her really really badly:
She deleted persistentlyfem, and I took the URL. Sheâs now back to using @clownyprincess.
Now I see myself as a kind person and I wish I could say I did this for that poor trans woman whoâd had to endure so much of Eliseâs genuinely insane abuse, but I did it for me.
Ellie if youâre reading this, fuck you! I told you to watch your back, you vain, abusive, misogynistic coward. Whoâs had the last Joker laugh now you fucking clown.
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Also apologies this post is about something so stale itâs taken months to get the full story
Oh and also Iâm only tagging people who commented on her evolving descent. I donât know who else was involved in her antics.
If anyone has any questions, I might have some answers.
Ask the questions to yourself and spill the answers, most efficient method.
I am not like her. :P Seriously, if anyone has questions, I can block out your name.
What do you think is going on with persistentlyfem?
I do not follow them and as I have heard they're just making a lot of transphobic remarks and posts so I'm just kind of like yeah no thanks.
I donât have the full story but Iâve got a fair bit so *cracks knuckles*
Elise (née persistentlyfem) made friends with a trans woman via her butch/femme gossip supper club. This trans woman opened up to her about being assigned male even though it was one of those spaces where her butchness meant she passed as a transmasc butch.
She then sees Elise doing her usual thing (harassing people extremely viciously on the internet) and says to her âyou need to stop, thatâs abusive.â From what she told me, she meant it in a caring way where you want your friends to grow as people and cause minimal harm.
Elise, being a rational and level headed individual, decided that she actually cannot enact abuse, so therefore this trans woman was abusing *her*!
So Elise stalks this trans woman on Reddit, finds her account and starts replying to every one of her posts calling her a rapist. Then once this trans woman understandably freaked out and deleted everything, Elise starts writing this really nasty fanfic bullshit about the poor girl on /r/truscum, in spite of being a fucking cis woman. Then whenever someone said âimagine a butch trans woman yuckâ Elise would use that opportunity to hone her creative writing skills by saying she knew a trans âwomanâ (quotes hers) who wanted a total mastectomy and was a rapist and got off on tricking woman into fucking her and was making up being autistic and so on. Just real total smear campaign shit, literally every facet of her identity was twisted into supposed proof that she was actually the main character in the novel Adam.
The most fucked part is that this trans woman had been staked before and nearly killed herself, and she told this to Elise, so as far as Iâm concerned, Elise tried to kill her.
Iâve seen screenshots of this stuff and itâs just absolutely fucked, totally unhinged shit. I might post them if I get permission.
So this trans woman is taking part in this thing that ended up being a huge thing in Sydney, the Butch Fashion show that opened Mardi Gras. Iâm told the organisers were clueless (not butch or femme and mostly just insulated away from any real community) and so they just thought Elise was an elder based on her running of the Butch-Femme group, but Elise came to be a femme in the 90s I think. Sheâs harassed actual elders that I personally know into hiding.
So, naive as hell, they give her a VIP ticket. The trans woman is getting more and more scared as she sees Elise writing more and more violent fan fiction about her, and so eventually she approaches the organisers and says she needs to pull out of the show because she canât do her performance with Elise sitting in the front row like sheâs not a violent victim-complexed bigot.
The organisers donât want her pulling out of the show so they ask whatâs going on, and the trans woman sends them screenshots. She asks that they not confront Elise because she now understands just how volatile Elise is, but these are neoliberal âsee the best in peopleâ kinds of organisers so of course they decide to confront her before revoking her ticket. Elise immediately flies off the handle and accuses them of protecting a rapist, before going into inane babbling about how sheâs gonna âgo publicâ (her fan fiction).
Distressed as hell, the trans woman still does the show and has a great time, but the next morning on the Butch/Femme gossip group page thereâs this huge cancellation post about her she âassaultedâ Elise in her apartment. According to the trans woman, she was over there to give Elise pro bono weed from her personal stash because Elise goes through half an ounce a week, and she was in a bad mood already when Elise started bragging about âabsolutely demolishingâ some poor Tumblr kid whoâd drank a bit of Kool-Aid. So when Elise says assaulted, what she means is âI got yelled at for giving a child trauma but since Iâm a white cis woman thatâs assault.â
So anyway, the trans woman spirals and goes underground for a few months, as any one of us would in such a violent situation.
Elise eventually decides to start spewing TERF shit on Tumblr so I made this account under a different URL just to document it. Iâve documented her abuse before but this was to be the crĂšme de la crĂšme master doc.
The mutual friend between me and this trans woman sees my new account, realises itâs me, and puts us in touch at my request, because I really wanted to know what made olâ Ellie go full bigot when she used to fight tooth and nail for trans woman inclusion.
I wasnât surprised to learn that in the years since she harassed me sheâs devolved into this paranoid shell of a woman that spent all her time alone getting high in a decrepit apartment that seemingly hasnât been ever cleaned.
Even more disappointing, however, is that she has such a hard time separating her feelings from reality that she decided to generalise a beef with a single trans woman to all trans women everywhere. She already hated nonbinary people but kept it on the down low (or at least she thought she did, Iâve heard tell of a time that someone introduced themself with their pronouns and she had the gall to roll her eyes).
So I told the trans woman to just wait. Elise had gone full bigot and we just needed her to slip up. Eventually, the time came.
Elise posted a graphic on her business account that said something along the lines of âitâs hard to know if a business is truly safe, but with me you donât have to worry because my business is truly queer and trans inclusive.âïżŒ
So I got a friend to give me the login details to their meme account and I replied to that post with a comment detailing that it was a blatant lie, sheâd actually been calling trans woman âtrans identified malesâ on Tumblr, calling nonbinary people who were AFAB âwomen with internalised misogynyâ and blankety stating that any butch whoâd been assigned male is a rapist in sheepâs clothing.
It took her over and hour to delete my comment and then she freaked out and went into panic mode, and she did exactly what I expected, something that would have hurt her really really badly:
She deleted persistentlyfem, and I took the URL. Sheâs now back to using @clownyprincess.
Now I see myself as a kind person and I wish I could say I did this for that poor trans woman whoâd had to endure so much of Eliseâs genuinely insane abuse, but I did it for me.
Ellie if youâre reading this, fuck you! I told you to watch your back, you vain, abusive, misogynistic coward. Whoâs had the last Joker laugh now you fucking clown.
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@butchxfemme
@ghoulsandcheeseandghouls
@official-cisphobe
Also apologies this post is about something so stale itâs taken months to get the full story
Oh and also Iâm only tagging people who commented on her evolving descent. I donât know who else was involved in her antics.
If anyone has any questions, I might have some answers.
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Here is the thing about people with pathological disorders. They lack a sense of self. They may or may not have self awareness. Narcissists are aware which is why they are constantly playing a role. Their entire lives are built on portraying a character. This is what makes them dangerous. When someone looks beyond they mask, they get hysterical. This is because their image is their social currency. They have to constantly mine for new 'resources, i.e. victims. I have seen this behavior in my personal life. I have seen it within my own kin. Pathological narcissists are used to being enabled. When no one checks them or stands up to them, they get used to a certain way of being and living. It starts with their parents, their community, their peers. One day, their bullshit no longer works. If you get angry at them, it's like giving someone a million bucks. These people are creepy. They get off on violating your boundaries. This shows that they lack meaning, purpose, and peace in their personal lives. I know it sounds like vague hippy dippy kumbaya stuff but I am telling you that these assholes are not that difficult to figure out. They are not 'complicated'. They are not 'a beautiful mess'. They are dysfunctional.
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The legitimate grievances of brown and black women are no match for the accusations of a white damsel in distress
Great article. I thought this read was very relevant to this blog. Privileged bitches weaponizing their crocodile tears should be called out.
Seeing these Hollywood big names get taken down by victims who were silenced gives me a lot of gratitude. These women were silenced because the aggressor had the money, connections, and the social clout to get away with their shitty behavior. All it took to take Weinstein down was one woman who took a risk. She should be given a medal and have her entire life expenses paid taken care of because she took down a bully and hopefully an entire industry that hid this shit. I am behind all of you. I know what it is like to deal with and to take down a monster. There is a tremensous amount of weight lifted and satisfaction in seeing pigs get taken down from their pedestal. It feels good to see it again.
For most of us, it is hard to fathom why women wouldn't be supportive.
Felt that this was relevant to thus blog. Female bullies are walking herpes warts. Some of my favorite quotes. 1. We have an archetypal DARK SIDE â the ânicerâ we purport to be, the darker the shadow that we cast. It leaks out in our manipulative quest for power and control or satisfaction in spraying viciousness towards another woman. The more âpowerfulâ we purport to â or wish to - be, the more haunted we are by self-doubt or the potential exposure of our deficits 2. If youâre targeted by a Nasty woman (usually for being not-the-same or not guessing the unspoken protocols of how to blend in) then the rest of the village pecking order are likely to unconsciously mimic the Nasty womanâs behavior towards you as well. Survival usually means staying safe, and most village members align with, rather than trying to speak out against, the perpetrator of something insidious, complex, and confusing. Cultures can turn against the whistle-blowers, the âdobbersâ, the rescuers of the targeted. 3. Because they can get away with it (as a sport, fun, panacea to boredom, delight in spite, and their lack of curiosity/tolerance of difference suggests they probably donât like people anyway)
Why worldview threats undermine evidence
Be careful, this article has these pesky things called 'facts'. I felt it was relevant to this blog because bully apologists are the same as religious zealots: They lack critical thinking skills.
Why does it seem like Elise fantasizes about cartoon characters and funny looking men? So much so that she creates a huge online following for it?
Because they are easier to 'control' than real people. Real people have feelings, nuances, complexities, quirks, and GASP OPINIONS! That is why she is defensive over stupid things like 'ship wars' because in her mind/fic whatever the Hell, she is the only one who is 'worthy' of touching the fantasy male character's Magical Verga. Something about that appeals to people, I guess.
you do not get to rant about âtmnt pedophilia,â elise archer
after ALL THE TIMES you have insulted, dismissed, and harassed anti-jxhq individuals who are
guess what
AFFECTED BY THE ABUSE DEPICTED WITHIN JxHQ.
YOU MORONIC
FUCKING
ASSHOLE.
ps itâs TEENAGE mutant ninja turtles, TEENAGE i think is the word youâre looking for so uh yeah that does kinda make it pedophilia you
SHIT
SNIFFER
or should I say Miss-Pisser-Pants?
The people sheâs talking about like theyâre awful villains are most likely teenagers and other young people who think itâs gross to sexualize a property on Nickelodeon that has ALWAYS been geared to a target audience under the age of 13. After the way sheâs gone after people much younger than her for simply having a different point of view on something, it pretty ridiculous of her to be coloring such a dramatic picture of herself and her âtroublesâ.Â
Again, sheâs almost 40 and the people sheâs attempting to call-out for their opinions and leveling allegations of triggering sexual abuse victims are most likely children themselves. This is deliberate manipulation. Scary thing being said about young person to make them fearful enough to back down and stop saying the thing theyâre saying that she doesnât like.
This continued pattern of âWAH! Iâm being abused!â is way beyond grotesque at this point.Â
Thatâs why she had to demonize Cody, too. He probably knew too much. Whatever happened to him after she made all of her abuse allegations? Itâs like he never existed. He had to erase himself.
Sheâs chased a lot of people into hiding. How many people does she get to erase?
Eight year âstalkerâ who was a former best friend.
Cody.
Deb.
Shan.
Lu.
Missy Higgins
Maggie Alderidge
Tara
Hitto
âJessicaâ
Steve
Countless others.
How many more people is this âwomanâ going to hurt and slander?
And Erika Moen.
Also adding her former friends Hexy and Dee.  Hexy, who she routinely called jealous and crazy every time she called Elise out and Dee who wisely disengaged completely and disappeared before a smear campaign could be engaged. Thatâs the pattern. Call Elise out, get called crazy, get called jealous, get called an abuser.
Itâs interesting how many women Elise has targeted with her âranty politicsâ. Other women with little to no public voice in their communities, other women who are vocal in their various communities and noted for their politics, but somehow found wanting by Princessperfectpolitics in some way or another. Mainly, simply for disagreeing with her.Â
They have all been marginalized women in some form or another. Funny how she never talks about how she gleefully called people 'retarded' for not obsessing over fictional characters the way she did. Princessperfectpolitics never considered the possibility that some of her targets were working class and maybe did not have as much time on the computer to sit around and invent fan theories the way she did. No. If you work more than a certain number of hours a week trying to make a living, you don't count as a person and your perspective doesn't count because you are an idiot. Yes, sitting on your ass writing 'erotic' fan fiction makes you the Albert Einstein of fandom. Enjoy that Glass Castle, Asshole. I can see the cracks.
you do not get to rant about âtmnt pedophilia,â elise archer
after ALL THE TIMES you have insulted, dismissed, and harassed anti-jxhq individuals who are
guess what
AFFECTED BY THE ABUSE DEPICTED WITHIN JxHQ.
YOU MORONIC
FUCKING
ASSHOLE.
ps itâs TEENAGE mutant ninja turtles, TEENAGE i think is the word youâre looking for so uh yeah that does kinda make it pedophilia you
SHIT
SNIFFER
or should I say Miss-Pisser-Pants?
I am sure the creators of TMNT would be proud that she is turning their creation into some weird pseudo political/sexual rant. Yeah, I am sure that is what they intended. If you use fictional characters as props for your own issues then it's time to see a specialist. There ain't no shame in it.
DO NOT go to clownyprincess about harley quinn, she is an abuse advocate and a jxhq fan and will insult anyone who believes abusive relationships between fictional characters are ok
p2: ***she will insult you if you DO NOT think abuse btwn fictional chars is ok⊠like⊠being ok with abuse makes you a bad person. clownyprincess is a bad person
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i took one look at her blog and ânopeââd the fuck out of there; DO NOT go there. thereâs displays of jxhq, abuse, and just really toxic stuff that shouldnât even be in healthy relationships. it was so jarring.
i donât understand why she would send me to someone like that, especially after her post explaining how abusive joker is to quinzel and how much better she is with ivy+masonâŠ
anyway, thank you so much for warning me, nonny, and thanks for showing care <3
Hi there. I actually really need to address this. clownyprincess is a really lovely person. Iâm not tagging her because I know sheâd find this really hurtful. She and I donât see eye to eye about this shipâŠbut this kind of personal attack is really uncalled for. She is absolutely not an advocate for abuse. Thatâs a gross extrapolation.Â
Itâs possible to enjoy dark stories about flawed people without advocating that people emulate those behaviors in real life. There is a difference between fiction and reality. Those arenât the kind of stories that I enjoy about Harley, but my opinion doesnât need to be hers and hers doesnât need to be mine. I donât assume everyone who enjoys Stephen King is a serial killer, and I donât assume everyone who reads Michael Crichton is a fucking dinosaur. This is exactly the kind of âGOTCHA!â attitude I was calling out in my earlier posts.Â
Itâs fucking toxic and it needs to stop.Â
It is possible to disagree about something and have a rational discussion about it.Â
Please donât assume that you know everything about clowny, and please remember that we are talking about fictional characters and take a breath. Sheâs a kind, sensitive person and doesnât deserve this.Â
Absolutely on the spot. You donât know her at all if you think she could possibly be a supporter of abuse. She is one of the biggest advocates Iâve ever met. <snip>
abusive relationships like harleyâs and jokerâs dominated most of my life (and continues to surround me) but you sent me to a personâs blog that is riddled with harley/joker imagery and expect me not to be even the slightest bit upset? you sent me to her blog knowing full well that i loved your stance on harleyâs development and who she became, yet it didnât occur to you that maybe, JUST MAYBE, joker/harley imagery might be upsetting? idk who youâre blaming about being toxic or âgotchaâ whatever but never in my response did i say clowny herself was toxic, merely referring to joker x harley quinnâs relationship as abusive and awful. maybe thatâs her interest or whatever but iâm allowed to hate it.
congrats on being able to easily separate fiction from reality but itâd be nice if you respected the fact that itâs not so easy for others. iâm gonna copy+paste from here and here (with some edits to fit this context) because iâm tired of explaining myself: fiction is influenced by the real world and real peopleâs experiences.
âFan/creators create work that parallels real life events such as terrorist attacks or the Black Lives Matter movement or current examples of Imperialism that have people living under a regime of fearâincluding abuse. Should we stay silent when we see these thingsâevents that got our loved ones killed, events that put our lives in danger every day, events that still get quoted by xenophobic racists as reasons all people of a certain group should be wiped off the face of the Earthâall over our dashes, reminding us of the time we lost someone we loved or the time someone tried to kill us because of our race, religion, or sexuality? Fuck no.
Fan/creators will erase the identities of marginalized groups because they want to control a characterâs sexualityâsome characters whose plotlines directly mirror real life events such as conversion therapyâor are so racist that theyâll whitewash a character because they see dark skin as a negative thing. Should we stand idly by as our identities are turned into accessories that can be taken off by people who donât like them? Should we stand idly by as we are told, repeatedly, over and over again, that fandom doesnât want us there?
I cannot separate my skin color, my religion, my sexuality, or my gender identity from who I am. If you want to think of me as an aberration and a blemish that you can just modify away, then IÂ will remind you that I exist and that I will be represented.
Courtesy doesnât extend to people of color, gay people, or victims of abuse apparently.â
i canât separate the two as easily as you. i want to find happiness in fantasy as most people do. when thereâs something that directly challenges that and reminds me of the life i already lived and the life that iâm still drowning in, i am allowed to be upset. this isnât an opportunity to bully anyone, or go âgotcha!â, or whatever you think i concocted in my mind as a scheme to call out clowny.
abuse upsets me. joker physically, mentally, and emotionally abuses harley quinn. therefore, i am upset by the joker/harley ship.
thatâs literally it. if you donât get that and wanna keep trying to explain how iâm supposed to separate fiction from reality, then you can just block me because i donât wanna hear any of it.
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@firebirdscratches Lmao if you think THATâS a personal attack you should read some of the shit Elise has said to her victims. Once upon a time she used to target people and exploit their insecurities so she could gain social power.
I see that hasnât changed. The story continues.
Anyway, feel free to check the âclownyprincess,â âelise archer,â âdorkinhighheelsâ tags⊠if youâre not so far up her ass you can only see her cold, dead, black heart that apparently is so far estranged from the concept that HI YES FICTION IS INFLUENCED BY REAL PEOPLE AND REAL EXPERIENCES that she cannot fathom that yes, what she is preaching is wrong, and you are a bad person for pretending otherwise.
you too @gladrial. yeah. about the ass thing, you too.
Honestly the best piece of advice I can give to younger girls trying to figure life out is to completely ignore men. Iâm not being quirky or cute when I say that, I mean it seriously. Ignore menâs judgments of you, ignore their insincere compliments, ignore their half-assed romance. Focus on developing yourself. Practice your art, play sports, do theater, volunteer, spend time with your friends, but do not put substantial effort into pleasing men. Theyâll be there for you to pursue when the time comes and if you want to. But nothing will waste your youth more than fighting for male acceptance.