invesagener

ivy, angsty daisy johnson connoisseur & jessica jones fanatic / writing side blog. ao3 @ invesagener

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ivy's library: masterlist

Agents of SHIELD

works

aos meta

aos musings

Earth-17516: The Destroyer of Worlds timeline remix

splinter: a framework redux [WIP]

dynasty: on inhuman mythology and other things [WIP]

file status: pending (AKA Daisy's citizenship) [WIP]

the daisy lawyer au [WIP]

Bridgerton

works

Jessica Jones / The Defenders

works

WIPs

headcanons

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It's actually wild that for the early seasons Skye is a non entity. Like she literally erased all traces of herself in every system she could find

You'd think that would come up more than it actually does. Especially when later on Daisy Johnson appears out of nowhere and suddenly attracts all kinds of interest i.e., making national headlines as a terrorist/vigilante and having multiple manhunts for her.

What does the government think about that? Do they think Daisy Johnson is an alias? That all the records of her that do exist (if any) are forged to hide her "real" identity?

Does the shield team ever really think about that? Or do they make their assumptions and move on? Or worse do they not even clock it until it's thrown in their faces?

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The Shield team doesnt know anything about her outside of Coulson, and maybe May, Sadly. Let alone the US Government.

She has, presumably, a chinese birth record In China, which the US would NOT have access to, and then Nothing aside from fake ids till Mace had to presumably pull a *Bunch* of favours, cause he wouldn't've wanted her to hack herself back *in* before she had to testify infront of congress.

Realistically, she either got handed a bunch of IDs by Mace, or they claim that her info was deleted after the Shield Leak in Winter Soldier to protect her cover, and they are remaking the documents after the hearing.

(it's technically possible her citizenship paperwork was rejected, because it probably didn't have time to be accepted before the hearing, and then not much later everything with the LMDs happened and declared her an enemy of the state and terrorist, so like, considering we All know how long government paperwork takes, its very likely her ID was still being processed when that happened and it was rejected, and they never bothered reupping cause she went to space after s5 when they otherwise might've wanted her on the books cause they tried to legitimize again. And then when they finally got back from time travel, she pretty much went right back to space.

Its actually extremely likely she *Still* isn't a citizen if the timing lined up)

The person who probably knew the most about her shitty childhood and non-existence, aside from Coulson maybe, is Ward, who wouldn't've told the rest of the team (for obvious reasons) and wasn't really able to later. Oh, and Miles, who never interacts with the team again.

Hell the unnamed other members of the rising tide probably know more about her past than anyone on the team pre S7.

Her traumatic background is kind of totally unknown, as is any real details about the rising tide by the team, again, aside from maybe Coulson.

Especially to post-Terrigenesis teammates, like any of the "Real Shield" peeps who stuck around, or Yoyo, who presumably thinks she was a standard shield agent and probably a middle class american. In fact, chew on this: when Yoyo steals her mom's bones and tells her "We didn't choose you", not only does she have no idea of daisy's backround in the foster system or homelessness, she doesn't know who's bones they are, and I don't know if she ever learns.

Mack, bobbi, and Hunter were all too busy and didn't pay attention to anything that went on with her in s2, so they might not know either despite being On the Team at the time some of it was relevant.

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yet another one of my favorite obscure daisy johnson topics: her citizenship!

many a fic have assumed that Daisy's kept a copy of her records in one of her USBs, since she showed Coulson a copy of her parent search in 1x05. it's also very likely, though, that she probably doesn't have a copy, and even if she did, it probably wouldn't be accepted as valid since they're not in the system and files from cyberterrorism is generally frowned upon in the law.

i've thought before that Daisy could technically apply for refugee or asylum in the US given the Village Massacre and the SHIELD Intervention, but it's very likely that the government will jump on the possibility that Daisy is an illegal immigrant, considering the elusive yet canon president come 2017 in the MCU. add the fact that China doesn't recognize dual citizenship for those 18 and up, she'd technically be stateless. i've always thought of Daisy's registration into an American orphanage as cancelling her native citizenship, which is also probably why her Marvel Wiki page lists Chinese as her former citizenship.

HOWEVER, should these records of her existence be non-retrievable, and revisiting this subject matter once again, Daisy is technically still an American citizen, for the following reasons:

Cal and Jiaying had plans to move to Wisconsin. This implies they've started the US visa process for Jiaying and acquired citizenship for Daisy. *Some few years ago I found a process from the 1980s that mentioned a one-way special visa for Chinese passports of dual-US citizens, but I can't find my sources on that anymore and I feel like Cal and Jiaying would rather settle Daisy's citizenship first. they seem set on the move, possibly to avoid the one-child policy at the time, among other reasons.

Cal will have to get a Consular Report of Birth Abroad (CRBA) to get Daisy her citizenship and a US passport. Since China only started issuing birth certificates in 1996, the process would require a notarized birth record based on Jiaying's hukou (local household register) to prove her legitimate birth, which also implies that Jiaying has a local record in Hunan that says she is Daisy's mother.

As China has absolutely zero tolerance on dual citizenship, Daisy can't get a Chinese passport. Cal and Jiaying probably already renounced the Chinese citizenship for her. What her parents can get is a Single-Use Exit/Entry paperwork that will allow her to leave China without it. This is valid for six months.

BUT they never got to use any of these papers because Hydra/SHIELD got to them. considering the Village Massacre, the Johnsons are assumed to be dead in Hunan. it is very likely that no one, bar a SHIELD tac team, lived to tell what happened there.

A CRBA isn't a birth certificate, but it's non-expiry and immediately grants a US citizenship by birthright. This cannot be revoked, the US can only revoke citizenship for naturalized citizens. CRBAs are stored by the National Archives though, so there is a non-zero chance that Daisy's records are still intact somewhere. She's only been able to erase herself under Skye or Mary Sue Poots, not by her actual legal name.

a looooot of this is hinging on a lot of assumptions though. She could still technically retain dual citizenship since she never left China on paper. She could only have Chinese citizenship if Cal didn't file the CRBA on time, though I doubt he did. he would've been on a working visa since permanent residence wasn't something China gave out until the 2000s. they even had plans to send Daisy to a charter school near Cal's practice and for Jiaying to pursue med school. or maybe those files were eventually settled by Coulson or Talbot come season 4 because Talbot credits Cal Johnson's Hyde formula for what would become the Patriot serum, and calls him explicitly as 'Agent Johnson's father.' also by legalization Coulson's original plan was to set up Daisy as SHIELD's Director. i don't think any other agency would accept her without a record lol

as you can see. i have thought of this a lot

BONUS: the real problem here, should any document be retrievable, is proving that Mary Sue Poots and Daisy Johnson are the same person. the sole link between these two is the Hunan Massacre. you'd have to drag out Lumley like hell to testify if May's witness to his admission in 1x12 isn't enough (which it probably might? i don't know)

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Oh Skye and pre ghost rider Robbie I just know you would have loved each other

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I think we forget too easily that Daisy’s mother in all likelihood met Agent Carter. The Howling Commandos led by Agent Carter rescued her from Whitehall. Agent Carter uses Whitehall’s treatment of Jiaying as one of the reasons he will not get a deal. I think Agent Carter spoke to Jiaying personally. Just imagine all the fanfic potential.

[butch--dan]

once these 15 million different stressful situations resolve themselves I’m gonna be so normal again. I can be normal and not exhausted

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rereading season 5 daisy whump that i wrote to be about 70% done (because i love whump, sue me) and it has a scene with Robin and Daisy and i'm thinking. here's Robin literally tormented by the visions of Daisy supposedly destroying the world (she technically did as an accessory) and everyone around her parroting that but when they reunite in the future, Robin actually thanks Daisy. this is after the Earth breaking apart btw. she also helped Fitz when Daisy was name-dropped. there's even the whole confused with moms thing since in the future (or even in the present), Robin would remember May more than Polly (sorry queen) but through all that she remembers that Daisy is a friend. she's not the Destroyer of Worlds even if she was there at ground zero, even if there was all of those stories going around. Robin never held any of that against Daisy even when life in the future was absolute shite. she knew Daisy enough to know that a lot of it was beyond Daisy's control and none that she wanted to happen.

if you listen carefully you can hear me poof into a pile of soft mush

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rereading season 5 daisy whump that i wrote to be about 70% done (because i love whump, sue me) and it has a scene with Robin and Daisy and i'm thinking. here's Robin literally tormented by the visions of Daisy supposedly destroying the world (she technically did as (used as) an accessory) and everyone around her parroting that but when they reunite in the future, Robin actually thanks Daisy. this is after the Earth breaking apart btw. she also helped Fitz when Daisy was name-dropped. there's even the whole confused with moms thing since in the future (or even in the present), Robin would remember May more than Polly (sorry queen) but through all that she remembers that Daisy is a friend. she's not the Destroyer of Worlds even if she was there at ground zero, even if there was all of those stories going around. Robin never held any of that against Daisy even when life in the future was absolute shite. she knew Daisy enough to know that a lot of it was beyond Daisy's control and none that she wanted to happen.

if you listen carefully you can hear me poof into a pile of soft mush

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thinking about daisy's insanely vague history pre-SHIELD. there's so much storytelling potential here

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ideas from a weird finals szn bum hole: Princess Charm School adaptation of Agents of SHIELD?

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Daisy in afterlife should’ve gotten to experience “bosses super powerful super traumatized well meaning daughter” privileges for longer before everything went to shit and she got the life literally drained from her

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so i've been thinking about this and "the village died protecting the baby" and Coulson thinking Cal killed everybody to basically conduct mass organ transplant on Jiaying post-Whitehall, is it possible that the village in Hunan had cult-like tendencies towards Jiaying?

in Afterlife, one of the Elders actively give their life to her. Jiaying would always refuse (like her daughter. huh) but it ends up happening anyway. the Hunan villagers knew of her gift. some of them even helped her try to get the last Diviner deposits in Portugal in 1945. it would explain how quickly she was accepted in Afterlife despite being an outsider (technically) and how the village died instantly devoting their lives to Daisy surviving. who's to say even, that Cal's initial deaths were actually voluntary to save Jiaying's life? (and of course, coming from a Western context, Coulson and the rest would wrongfully view this as violence. which it kind of is, but it's tradition in Afterlife's case. maybe even culture for the Inhumans) because Jiaying being basically immortal to them is enough to warrant a following. Look at Hive, for example. he went through some rock and stayed there for ages and when he got back to Earth he still had a following. it would also explain how Lumley, the sole survivor himself of the SHIELD tac teams who responded that night, wanted nothing to do with Daisy. because from the outside being cult-ish can look weird.

society has behavioral patterns. it's not really impossible.

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Chapters: 1/1 Fandom: Jessica Jones (TV) Rating: Teen And Up Audiences Warnings: Rape/Non-Con Relationships: Jessica Jones & Hope Shlottman, Kilgrave | Kevin Thompson/Hope Shlottman, Jessica Jones & Patricia Walker, Minor or Background Relationship(s), Luke Cage/Jessica Jones, Jessica Jones/Kilgrave | Kevin Thompson, Kilgrave tags are non-consensual Characters: Jessica Jones (Marvel), Hope Shlottman, Kilgrave | Kevin Thompson, Jeri Hogarth, Luke Cage, Patricia Walker (Marvel), Original Characters, for the sake of the plot - Character Additional Tags: Canon Compliant, Season/Series 01, Set in S1E06, Abortion, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder - PTSD, Panic Attacks, Jessica Jones (TV) Season 01, Flashbacks, dialogue from the show, Unwanted Pregnancy, Blood, Birth Control Summary:

Jessica didn't know what to expect from Hope. The last she called, it was for money. Fifty bucks and a pack of smokes, and for what?

"I'm pregnant. Still."

She should've seen this coming.

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in which Hope's pregnancy wasn't Jessica's first time in that situation. Set during S1E06 AKA You're A Winner!.

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sooooo here i am again on my crack pot theory: the experiment that made Luke bulletproof and revived Jessica from the car crash are connected.

(i feel a little skeptical of this considering the stretch and maybe not everything is connected but given the recurring pattern of 'mad scientists stick together' especially in marvel (see Agents of SHIELD and Agent Carter) i wouldn't be surprised if this were the case. plus these are all ideas from canon)

Lore in Jessica Jones and Luke Cage are connected by the USB stick Reva Connors buried under wet cement, which made her of interest to Kilgrave, who underwent experimental surgeries in the 80s for a degenerative neurological disease that included introducing a virus to his 'damaged' DNA. note that the experiment worked, albeit with some side effects.

(read that last sentence again and think of some other characters this could apply to.)

it's also worth noting that the people who ran the experiments, Kilgrave's parents, were given grant money around '88 after which they jumped ship. some benefactor knew these experiments were successful.

and the USB stick not only had Kilgrave's records, but also every single kid who had been subjects for that particular experiment. same way the Seagate files had everyone's records, including Luke's. question now is how the hell did these experiments have a commonality and ended up in the same stick?

an idea comes in Jessica Jones season 2, where Karl Malus mentions how Kozlov, a former co-researcher, wanted to sell their findings in IGH to the military. Kozlov ended up working with the military (see knowing Simpson and his war buddies in season 1) but his work was more on metabolism enhancement. nothing's stopping him from sharing IGH's studies on cell regeneration though, the procedure that basically kickstarted Jessica's body into healing itself around 2000.

think back to the purpose of the Seagate experiments (early 2010s). the goal wasn't to make anyone bulletproof, but to make artificial skin for burn victims – essentially instant cell regeneration. Luke Cage explains how Luke's skin was like velcro with how instant his healing was, since they were bonded with abalone shells.

recall Noah Burstein, who manned the procedure that gave Luke bulletproof skin and said the USB had "Everything I lost and more" and how after the cover-up he had to "start from scratch." he said that Luke as the sole survivor of his experiments could benefit the military (with which the Seagate experiment crew were heavily implied to be in cahoots with). he also said that Luke's DNA might've been the 'X factor' that made the whole thing work.

Karl said the same thing about Jessica and her mom. He also explains to Trish the procedure he's theoretically streamlined within 17 years, which also included introducing a live virus to her DNA.

i've been grappling for a while on why Reva chose to settle herself and Luke in New York. why not move coasts? or settle in her hometown (presumably Harlem if she knew Pop)? she could've buried that stick anywhere else but why choose Hell's Kitchen?

i'm starting to think that, with IGH nearby and Kozlov having privileges in Metro General (he also lived within the city), should Luke be ever found by interested parties or if something goes bad with him physically, Reva would have someone to call. plus, it helps that IGH keeps track of their former patients who are more likely to be from the tri-state area. there's already two (Jessica and Whizzer) who live in the city, three if you count Jessica's mom. nevermind that IGH was defunct by then, but no one said her information was updated.

there's been a natural progression of research findings from Kilgrave's time in the 1980s > gene editing in 2000 > isolation of target cells (i.e. the epidermis) in 2013. i wouldn't be surprised if they piggy-backed on previous researches instead of making their own findings if the progression had been this quick.

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wrote this way back when they just announced that DDBA season 2 was going to have JJ teehee

(This is Trish's POV)

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and if i write about angie "mei" kim approaching jessica jones in that stand off in the courthouse while waiting for the National Guard (at the Governor's insistence) and talking about how Hope being Kilgrave'd inspired her to pursue being a detective then what

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Daisy in afterlife should’ve gotten to experience “bosses super powerful super traumatized well meaning daughter” privileges for longer before everything went to shit and she got the life literally drained from her

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writing a kora & daisy fic and i'm barely halfway i already got 1.4k words 😭😭😭😭😭

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no offense to anyone named Douglas, but Ward's full name being Grant Douglas Ward is frying me. He does not look like a Douglas (to me at least). an alternative nickname aside from his first and last names is Doug. he was doomed the moment they completed his name, there's no mercy for this guy.