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@just-shower-defences
Are you ready to kill my dear?
I- yes i think so
Then shall we go? I'll even let you pick out the blood bag you'll be slicing open.
Ok...
*I lead you outside, having them take us to a village. The people are all outside, eager to know what we're there for* pick one of the children.
I- I dont...
Come now.... Do you want me to pick for you darling?
*hangs my head, unable to look at anyone, and nods slightly*
tried to tell y'all this meme was a bad idea but did anyone listen noooo
one day maybe a shower thoughts response blog will even be funny
Aren't
Aren't i funny
no but at least you aren't casually wildly violent like most of the other blogs
A concentration camp for people with ADHD doesn’t sound like a bad idea (source)
yes it does YES IT DOES WHAT THE FUCK
yeah, this one really sucks
one day maybe a shower thoughts response blog will even be funny
thispersondoesnotexist.com has probably generated numerous identical replicas of people who do exist (source)
the likelihood of that is insanely low it probably checks that this isnt a real person before giving it to you
no yeah for sure. the homemade face generator based on machine learning tech that is prone to network convergence issues checks results against the Face Database of Everyone before serving them up. 100%
You’re like the tumblr version of cinemasins! I love it!
Is it ironic then that I genuinely really dislike cinemasins?
people often hate most in others what they dislike most in themselves
the thing i disliked most about doing this blog was everyone asking me why i cared about the feelings of a reddit reblogging bot
i dont care how much abusiveness a bot has to endure, i care about what harboring such hostile sentiments is doing to yourselves
When we fart at school a little piece of our past goes into our classmates future.
Dude it’s just a fart
Dude it's just a joke
SOMONE ON INSTAGRAM EDITED MY POST TO SAY HECKING I WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS SLANDER
this is crazy! why would anybody repost you
Being tailed by a cop is like a driving laws pop quiz
y’all ever get pulled over and see that the cop is a white man and the objective immediately goes from “don’t act in a way that could get you a ticket instead of a warning” to “don’t get fucking shot to death”
JSR is sounding oddly racist at the moment. 🤷♂️
what. how. who?
Gay people rely on straight people to make more gay people.
@everything-is-better-with-a-ph, is this true?
only partly, bi and pan people exist too and artificial insemination is a thing
I have no idea what this means but sure… I guess that you are correct
On a real note gays trying to coerce heterosexuals (i.e normal people) into being gay is completely fine. But straight people trying to talk gay people into snapping out of their homosexual tendencies and become straight is seen as bigoted homophobic oppressive and abusive.
The double standards amaze
I have no idea why you are saying this for no reason but I kinda agree
i guess yallv tried being a gay person and coercing straight people gay then? did that go well for you? your straight->gay conversion camp taking in a lot of money then?
FYI angry-white-boy seems like one of those people who think being gay is a “phase” and they seem pretty homophobic so
they seem like a russian bot with aspd characteristics
Gay people rely on straight people to make more gay people.
@everything-is-better-with-a-ph, is this true?
only partly, bi and pan people exist too and artificial insemination is a thing
I have no idea what this means but sure… I guess that you are correct
On a real note gays trying to coerce heterosexuals (i.e normal people) into being gay is completely fine. But straight people trying to talk gay people into snapping out of their homosexual tendencies and become straight is seen as bigoted homophobic oppressive and abusive.
The double standards amaze
I have no idea why you are saying this for no reason but I kinda agree
i guess yallv tried being a gay person and coercing straight people gay then? did that go well for you? your straight->gay conversion camp taking in a lot of money then?
So a common argument I’ve seen to defend gatekeepers is that “but they are LGBT!” But I would like to point out that no, gatekeepers are not LGBT. Yes, it’s true that some trans people may be truscum, that some gay/bi/pan people may be exclusionists, and that, unfortunately, some (but absolutely not all of them, that is awfully lesbophobic to say) lesbians are TERFS. But that doesn’t make them LGBT+.
You see, LGBT is not a label or identity, it’s an allyship. And while yes, there are questioning people and those without labels that may prefer to use it as such, this doesn’t apply to gatekeepers at all. Most gatekeepers have already gone through the questioning process and thus they don’t have the right to claim the acronym as such.
Like I said, being LGBT is not being an identity, but rather an allyship, a federation if you will, of identities marginalized by cisheteronormativity, and if pedos get their filthy hands on this post I am going to judo flip them, PEDOS ARE NOT LGBT. And by trying to gatekeep other marginalized identities they deem less ‘LGBT’ than themselves, gatekeepers are going against everything the LGBT+ community stands for; protection. Union. Solidarity. A sense of belonging. If we ‘LGBT’ people are denying other identities these things that characterize us as a community by gatekeeping, how are we any better than the straight cis people that look down on us? If we look down upon nonbinary people, aces and aros, and yes, even binary trans people like me, how are we fighting cisheteronormativity? That’s right. We just aren’t
So next time any gatekeepers want to defend themselves with by saying that they are LGBT, just remember that while being an LGBT identity is not a choice, being in the community is one, and by gatekeeping you are pretty much leaving it. Ask yourselves, (I am looking at my fellow trans men really hard because some of us can be assholy gatekeepers) ‘is this what Marsha P. Johnson would have wanted for our community?’ Of course not. Marsha, a bisexual trans woman, (yes she was bi, look it up) would have never wanted us to be torn apart because of gatekeeping discourse, and she would have being heartbroken if she saw the amount of TERFS and truscum crawling today in Tumblr.
And at all my nonbinary people, at all my aces and aros, at all my trans brothers and sisters, whether you are degraded by gatekeepeers or not, like Marsha said, “pay it no mind.”
Hmm a person makes a post that tells me to not interact, yet uses the word “truscum” in their tags. Almost like people on this site want to fight or something. You should all know how the tags work by now. It’s easier not to put your sad little “I’m too sensitive don’t interact” crap since it will actually end up drawing less attention from the unwanted demographic. Not to mention expecting people to care what you want on a public website is ridiculous, especially if you’re calling them out.
Someone having an opinion you don’t like doesn’t make them not lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender. It’s an acronym. The lgbt has always had varying opinions believe it or not. Some people prefer rationality while others prefer feelings, and some people just don’t see life the same way.
I’m the furthest you can get from a radical feminist, especially trans exclusionary, but I support their right to have such beliefs however ridiculous I might think they are. And I certainly wouldn’t say a lesbian terf is not lgbt. That’s basically kicking out the original lgbt for all these new age micro labels that our insecure generation has conjured up. By doing so the lgbt is no longer lgbt.
Many exclusionists of really anything aren’t saying the excluded group are invalid. Just that they aren’t the target of a particular movement. That’s always been something up for debate and it has always been debated.
Wanting your movement to be focused on certain issues, especially it’s founding issues, isn’t irrational or mean.
Wanting your movement to be putting focus onto rationality and objective facts is not a bad thing.
None of this means you have to agree with people.
Inclusionism culture has always been a toxic and muddled mess that ends up leading to chaos. You see trans people in lgbt spaces who are no longer allowed to talk about dysphoria because it might upset “nondysphoric trans people” or see gay people not allowed to talk about their attraction and how it complicates their lives because it might upset the asexuals, and tell me that that is all nice and good. You are silencing the original target group of this movement.
op this is the stupidest goddamn thing i’ve ever read in my life and you talk a lot of shit about things you clearly have no fundamental understanding of.
let’s start off by just mentioning how goddamn insane it is that you think every lgbt person has to be a part of the same political hivemind to be qualified as lgbt. that sounds a lot more prejudiced than anyone you mentioned in the original post.
truscum aren’t trying to be the big mean gatekeepers here (by the way, learn the goddamn definition of ‘gatekeeper’ before you use it as a buzz word so much that it has no meaning despite being a serious issue within the medical word). trying to keep a community from losing all sense of commonality by setting boundaries isn’t the big bad sin tumblr keeps trying to pretend it is. we don’t tell people with no same sex/gender attraction that they can be gay because they ‘feel gay’. why should we do the same with nondysphorics in the trans community? and before you answer with some bs about how trans experiences are varied, i understand that. however, for a community to be a community, there has to be something in common that unites us, aka, dysphoria. there has to be a motivation to transition (that isn’t a rejection of gender roles or societal expectations), which dysphoria provides. there’s a reason why you have to have a diagnosis of GD before having any surgeries or going on hrt (with the exception of informed consent). all truscum try to do is do damage control to the reputation of a community that is now seen as a joke, try to educate people on what dysphoria really is, and what transitioning will do vs. not do. we don’t harass people or actively wish a genocide on nb people or believe in eugenics or whatever rumor has been spread about us now, and if people claiming the truscum title do any of those, they’re acting on their own individual behalf and don’t represent us as a whole.
also, exclusionists are well within their rights to not want cishets in the lgbt community. aces did nothing to contribute to gay/trans liberation. they didn’t contribute to building the community. they were never legally discriminated against. hell, they’re a religious puritan’s wet dream. they only started forming their own community in the 00’s after ‘my life as an amoeba’ came out. they haven’t ever needed to band together out of necessity because of oppression. the only reason why the feel entitled to being in the lgbt community is because they want in when that’s never been how this has worked. gay/lesbian/bi/trans people have been there since the goddamn beginning and now we’re supposed to let cis/straight people who don’t feel the need to fuck in because they want to be a part of what they see as a ‘misfits club’? nah fuck that.
marsha p. johnson was a trans woman who stood up against the corrupt police who were actively causing harm on gay/bi men and women and trans people and had to become a sex worker to provide for herself because no one would hire trans people. and then she was murdered because of it. i think she would be a little too preoccupied with trying to survive the streets with the knowledge that there wouldn’t be an investigation into her death and she was just as likely to die at the hands of a cop than a regular civilian to care about whether or not a group of people who don’t get horny should be grouped with the same people the police were trying to eliminate because we were ‘immoral’.
if your idea of the community is a place where ideological diversity and debate isn’t allowed, it’s not us with the misunderstanding of lgbt history and the community’s role, it’s you.
Aces are never discriminated against? I’m constantly being told that it’s not an identity, and that everyone feels sexual attraction, which is what you’re saying, which sounds a helluva lot like discrimination. So, I’m not sure where the hell you’re coming from, but you need to fuck the hell off until you realize that the only people not allowed in the community are pedophiles.
people saying ignorant things coming from a place of uneducation is not discrimination as it’s not denying you any rights as a human being. please learn the difference between mean words and legal oppression. also, by your logic, even straight people are allowed in the community as long as they’re not pedos? sounds awfully like you don’t even think we should need a community since you clearly don’t understand why we have it and what it’s for.
First, uh huh, suure. Second, I never once said that. Its kind of obvious that I meant lgbt+ people. The community is one of the greatest fucking things I’ve ever gotten to be a part of, because it’s a welcoming space(minus you of course). Also, aren’t you the one saying ignorant things right now?
please learn the difference between oppression and you being offended by something because i can assure you they’re very different things and it would all save us a lot of time. i know you’ve been told through various lgbt themed accounts on social media that the height of oppression is someone accidentally using the wrong pronouns or maybe critically looking at what makes someone lgbt, and i urge you, for the sake of being a normal person again, read up on lgbt history (not just stonewall, not just american history) and then come back to me and tell me you still agree with that.
i know you’re like 14 and have no real world experience here but i can assure you that the community isn’t this open bordered fantasy you have in your head right now and nor has it ever been. i agree with you, it’s a great community we have in terms of how willing we are to be each others’ family and being our own advocate legally. but do you know why that is? because the community was founded on the message of keeping each other safe in a time where homophobia and transphobia were so common and accepted that our murders were seen as justified (and if we’re being technical here, gay/trans panic laws still exist and are still a valid legal claim as to why someone could avoid jail time for killing an lgbt person). aces don’t suffer that same legal discrimination, they don’t suffer the same social discrimination, they just suffer a group of people telling them ‘no’. or being called a plant online. but again. that’s not exactly discrimination, is it?
Oh, I know there are worse things. I know that more than I should for someone who is, yeah, 14. I also know that no where during this have been “offended”. This community is a home to me when my own doesn’t understand, and I would do anything to protect it. Aces might not face “legal discrimination”, but we face it just the same, and there’s a lot that goes into this. I’m not stupid, even though you seem to think so. There are people coming to terms with identities that might not have been fully fleshed out at that time, of course things are a bit different. I appreciate everything those before us have done, but living in the past and using it to justify hate is probably not what they would want.
@uwuregulator time to unpack some bullshit
first of all the lgbt community isnt the oppression olympics, we aren’t all in contest over resources. feeling deprived and unsupported? take it up with the providers and the leadership, not your fellow victims
even that being granted, the social pressure of heteronormativism is something that effects us all and has very real consequences. asexual suicidal ideation is far from the norm. that shit is real. your hyperfixation on legality is misplaced wasted energy you could be using to push the boundaries outward. literally nobody is effected by the community being too inclusive. literally everybody is effected by lgbt issues. over reliance on specific issues will cause you to lose sight of the bigger picture. im gonna assume you’re some youngo going through that awful cliquey teen phase cause you’re getting all high and mighty on 14 year olds on tumblr, so here’s some news for you, insularity doesn’t matter to activism
never has
you scared about kkk infiltrating the black panthers? are you stupid?
the founders of early lgbt movements and modern intersectionality were concerned, communally speaking, only with safe spaces. purity of hardship wasn’t an issue for them. don’t like x person? go form your own creepy edgelord clique somewhere else, that’s straight up your intersectional right. diversity is the truth and the goal. if you aren’t running at that, you’ve lost sight of the way
and while we’re on the subject of history, a polite reminder of how you’ve forgotten the existence of asexual activism before 2000, and all the ways in which history has had to repeat itself before reaching the point today where some minority of people actually recognise that trans people of colour are the reason the modern lgbt community exists, not some aryan gay boy poster child, but the unrecognised and excluded. what historical tradition exactly are you trying to be a part of?
i cant even fathom why you would want to keep out somebody willing to fight in your corner. once you leave high school it’s pretty obvious that nobody would seek inclusion just for cool points? adult communities dont work that way
also if you think your modern progressive take on truscum is the overarching picture the community actually puts out, you’re fucking delusional
my point is is that they’re not victims, though, so all of this is bullshit
first off, there’s no data whatsoever on asexual suicide rates, so please don’t try that one on me. also, no one is affected by the community being too inclusive? that literally negates the whole purpose of having a community then if everybody can join, but alright. lgbt issues are relevent to a lot of people, sure, but they’re still lgbt issues and bringing in other people who don’t have the same issues isn’t the answer, nor is it even beneficial to anyone. i appreciate you thinking that i could only have the politics i do because of an edgy teen phase, but believe it or not, people can have different opinions formulated from personal experiences that don’t necessarily have to match up with yours.
your comparison here holds no weight and is purely for shock value, unless of course you’re comparing asexuals to the kkk, in which i’m not the bigot here.
there’s a difference between diversity and diluting a community founded for a specific reason for its existence to a community with no specific reason for its existence. don’t lecture me on what early lgbt leaders wanted, especially since their version of a safe space was somewhere where lgbt people weren’t beaten to death for outing themselves, not somewhere someone can complain about someone telling them ‘no’ on the internet.
okay but you do realize that the asexual movement started after ‘my life as an amoeba’ right. there were asexual people, i’m not negating that fact, but there was no recognized (or even unofficial) movement fighting for anything, mostly because there was nothing to fight over. asexuals never lacked any legal rights, which no, isnt something we should gloss over here for the sake of inclusivity. there’s no legal or social discrimination asexuals have ever faced. they’ve never dealt with harassment targeted towards them for their asexuality on any basis, which is definitely something we should take into consideration when debating whether or not a group of unoppressed people have the right to be in a community that was formed out of a need for survival as we were being oppressed and murdered.
are you suggesting that asexuals helped form the community in the same way trans women did? y’know, the hyper visible group of people most likely be attacked by police and most in need of the community they formed? are you really suggesting that a group of people largely silent during the gay liberation movement played the same part as trans women during the movement and are just as entitled to being in the community? because if you are, you lecturing me on lgbt history is perhaps the most hypocritical thing you’ve said thus far.
the sooner you understand that i’m not saying they can’t be allies, the sooner we can be done with this stupid debate. i’m not alienating allies, i’m not suggesting we start, im suggesting we don’t start inviting allies into the community and pretending as if they face the same discrimination that we do.
seeing as me thinking you need a motivation to transition has nothing to do with this debate, i’m guessing you don’t actually know what truscum are. please stop pretending that your bubble of lgbt activist friends are representative of the trans community at large, as if we’re not a group of highly diverse individuals with highly diverse ideologies and experiences (that all have a motivation for transitioning that doesn’t include rejecting gender roles or gender based expectations because that’s not what being trans is).
like you’re talking about so many abstract things as if that’s the match for reality. like lgbt is some fucking gentlemen’s club. like if you let the ace people prance about with their ace flag themed flower arrangements too much, like the trans people are gonna get less air time? like what the fuck? like a space away from endemic violence and a tumblr page where people post solidarity and recognition to one another can’t co-exist? like you recognise the existence and presence of asexual people throughout time, but they don’t get to be part of an amorphous massive lgbt idea because they hadn’t organised at the same time as you? overlooking their almost certain presence at historical lgbt sites. like the fact they have organisations now probably has more to do with intersectionality than it does original lgbt?
honestly I don’t want to get into an argument about whether asexuals have a deep and longstanding relationship with rape and violence or not. like can we not talk about whether that or lynching is worse please? I know you might react by saying I don’t care about lynching, when of course I do, but actually I don’t think either is relevant to ace inclusion. when what you’re fighting for is the ‘we get murdered more’ club, and what I’m fighting for is, ‘half a century on, what is the spirit of lgbt?’ (note, my club includes yours, and aces). can we agree that we both understand that it’s rough out there? it doesn’t make me commit erasure and deny the existence of brutality to say that 50 years and a metric shit load of cultural motion has transformed modern lgbt from the cascade of stonewall, to something else much much larger
you are like walls of text deep into an exclusion argument. clearly exclusion of aces is a big enough deal for you to form your compass within the community based on it. clearly you are alienating allies. there are other debates you could be having right now and aren’t
I’m sorry you’re made to feel so totally unsafe in the world but there’s a lot of reasons why lgbt communities exist. it’s not like a few hundred frequenters of the stonewall inn formed a high table council over all lgbt people from thereon. as the first intersectional communities were being described, many groups formed for no reason other than the local punk music was good or because group x happened to visit the same bar. I mean, that’s kind of what stonewall physically was as well. you’re consistently trying to characterise lgbt in this venn of one giant circle and that simply doesn’t match up with reality, where the truth is it is, and always has been, made up of a million tiny circles, overlapping all over the place. and here you are, antagonising somebody else’s circle far and away from your own in order to claim some kind of hegemony? you keep squawking about ‘you have no right to moan just because someone’s telling you no on the internet’. well you’re the one putting yourself in the group bringing up this problem. you’re the one saying lgbt is yours personally to own. nobody has any god damn problem with aces except ace exclusionists. your whole problem with them, as described by you so far, is they don’t fit your tidy, tiny definition of ‘what lgbt is’. I mean, it’s genuinely hard to think of anything less genuinely lgbt than trying to shoehorn lgbt into such a hard definition
lgbt to you, appears to describe survivorship? to which I can only quote you in your very own words
“please stop pretending that your bubble of lgbt activist friends are representative of the trans community at large, as if we’re not a group of highly diverse individuals with highly diverse ideologies and experiences“
on you saying that, in regards to the heavy death toll trans folk currently endure, I can obviously understand where you’re coming from. but we’re talking about lgbt inclusion, which is so much broader. I would change trans in the quote to lgbt, for my own purposes. I don’t really know how we got round to the trans specificity. I think you might have got lost somewhere along my mention of the way some lgbt groups came to forget the importance of trans individuals in the existence of the movement. which I mentioned to point out the poor general trend of previous exclusionary groups. yknow; for the historical perspective. maybe to, y’know, take a moment to think about what it is you’re fighting for? which is, really, personally my main horse in this race
like, I get it, you’re surrounded by hot heads, desperate to fight it out. gotta quibble over those definitions and mechanisms. and that’s good and I don’t blame ya. if we were talking about, like, who ‘has it worst’. first of all that’s a hella problematic discussion. like I said before, if you’ve got a problem with provision, take it up with the provider. don’t duke it out with the other subjects. society isn’t a fucking triage system. (or at least it shouldn’t be. I get the modern time doesn’t exactly make that idea so accessible. so but take it up with your government, not ace kids on tumblr ffs). but we’re not talking about that, we’re talking about recognition of ace people. I just think there’s other things you could be doing with your time than setting up arbitrary barriers to those nonsexed kids who keep showing up to the diversity party
you’re fire in all directions. and I fucking love fire. but really I prefer the right thing be burned down
I remember reading about arguments inside the black panthers about the white guys who were hanging out too. in the end, it just wasn’t worth their concern. if anything it actually helped because it ended up facilitating a huge amount of cross pollination between imminent thinkers of the time and even led to an offshoot group that worked with and co-supported the panthers. if we’re talking about what we can take away from movements of the 60s/70s, cross-pollination is a huge fucking deal my dude. that’s why I bought up the panthers. but I guess you were only there for the kkk part. just, getting in your own way again huh
So a common argument I’ve seen to defend gatekeepers is that “but they are LGBT!” But I would like to point out that no, gatekeepers are not LGBT. Yes, it’s true that some trans people may be truscum, that some gay/bi/pan people may be exclusionists, and that, unfortunately, some (but absolutely not all of them, that is awfully lesbophobic to say) lesbians are TERFS. But that doesn’t make them LGBT+.
You see, LGBT is not a label or identity, it’s an allyship. And while yes, there are questioning people and those without labels that may prefer to use it as such, this doesn’t apply to gatekeepers at all. Most gatekeepers have already gone through the questioning process and thus they don’t have the right to claim the acronym as such.
Like I said, being LGBT is not being an identity, but rather an allyship, a federation if you will, of identities marginalized by cisheteronormativity, and if pedos get their filthy hands on this post I am going to judo flip them, PEDOS ARE NOT LGBT. And by trying to gatekeep other marginalized identities they deem less ‘LGBT’ than themselves, gatekeepers are going against everything the LGBT+ community stands for; protection. Union. Solidarity. A sense of belonging. If we ‘LGBT’ people are denying other identities these things that characterize us as a community by gatekeeping, how are we any better than the straight cis people that look down on us? If we look down upon nonbinary people, aces and aros, and yes, even binary trans people like me, how are we fighting cisheteronormativity? That’s right. We just aren’t
So next time any gatekeepers want to defend themselves with by saying that they are LGBT, just remember that while being an LGBT identity is not a choice, being in the community is one, and by gatekeeping you are pretty much leaving it. Ask yourselves, (I am looking at my fellow trans men really hard because some of us can be assholy gatekeepers) ‘is this what Marsha P. Johnson would have wanted for our community?’ Of course not. Marsha, a bisexual trans woman, (yes she was bi, look it up) would have never wanted us to be torn apart because of gatekeeping discourse, and she would have being heartbroken if she saw the amount of TERFS and truscum crawling today in Tumblr.
And at all my nonbinary people, at all my aces and aros, at all my trans brothers and sisters, whether you are degraded by gatekeepeers or not, like Marsha said, “pay it no mind.”
Hmm a person makes a post that tells me to not interact, yet uses the word “truscum” in their tags. Almost like people on this site want to fight or something. You should all know how the tags work by now. It’s easier not to put your sad little “I’m too sensitive don’t interact” crap since it will actually end up drawing less attention from the unwanted demographic. Not to mention expecting people to care what you want on a public website is ridiculous, especially if you’re calling them out.
Someone having an opinion you don’t like doesn’t make them not lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender. It’s an acronym. The lgbt has always had varying opinions believe it or not. Some people prefer rationality while others prefer feelings, and some people just don’t see life the same way.
I’m the furthest you can get from a radical feminist, especially trans exclusionary, but I support their right to have such beliefs however ridiculous I might think they are. And I certainly wouldn’t say a lesbian terf is not lgbt. That’s basically kicking out the original lgbt for all these new age micro labels that our insecure generation has conjured up. By doing so the lgbt is no longer lgbt.
Many exclusionists of really anything aren’t saying the excluded group are invalid. Just that they aren’t the target of a particular movement. That’s always been something up for debate and it has always been debated.
Wanting your movement to be focused on certain issues, especially it’s founding issues, isn’t irrational or mean.
Wanting your movement to be putting focus onto rationality and objective facts is not a bad thing.
None of this means you have to agree with people.
Inclusionism culture has always been a toxic and muddled mess that ends up leading to chaos. You see trans people in lgbt spaces who are no longer allowed to talk about dysphoria because it might upset “nondysphoric trans people” or see gay people not allowed to talk about their attraction and how it complicates their lives because it might upset the asexuals, and tell me that that is all nice and good. You are silencing the original target group of this movement.
op this is the stupidest goddamn thing i’ve ever read in my life and you talk a lot of shit about things you clearly have no fundamental understanding of.
let’s start off by just mentioning how goddamn insane it is that you think every lgbt person has to be a part of the same political hivemind to be qualified as lgbt. that sounds a lot more prejudiced than anyone you mentioned in the original post.
truscum aren’t trying to be the big mean gatekeepers here (by the way, learn the goddamn definition of ‘gatekeeper’ before you use it as a buzz word so much that it has no meaning despite being a serious issue within the medical word). trying to keep a community from losing all sense of commonality by setting boundaries isn’t the big bad sin tumblr keeps trying to pretend it is. we don’t tell people with no same sex/gender attraction that they can be gay because they ‘feel gay’. why should we do the same with nondysphorics in the trans community? and before you answer with some bs about how trans experiences are varied, i understand that. however, for a community to be a community, there has to be something in common that unites us, aka, dysphoria. there has to be a motivation to transition (that isn’t a rejection of gender roles or societal expectations), which dysphoria provides. there’s a reason why you have to have a diagnosis of GD before having any surgeries or going on hrt (with the exception of informed consent). all truscum try to do is do damage control to the reputation of a community that is now seen as a joke, try to educate people on what dysphoria really is, and what transitioning will do vs. not do. we don’t harass people or actively wish a genocide on nb people or believe in eugenics or whatever rumor has been spread about us now, and if people claiming the truscum title do any of those, they’re acting on their own individual behalf and don’t represent us as a whole.
also, exclusionists are well within their rights to not want cishets in the lgbt community. aces did nothing to contribute to gay/trans liberation. they didn’t contribute to building the community. they were never legally discriminated against. hell, they’re a religious puritan’s wet dream. they only started forming their own community in the 00’s after ‘my life as an amoeba’ came out. they haven’t ever needed to band together out of necessity because of oppression. the only reason why the feel entitled to being in the lgbt community is because they want in when that’s never been how this has worked. gay/lesbian/bi/trans people have been there since the goddamn beginning and now we’re supposed to let cis/straight people who don’t feel the need to fuck in because they want to be a part of what they see as a ‘misfits club’? nah fuck that.
marsha p. johnson was a trans woman who stood up against the corrupt police who were actively causing harm on gay/bi men and women and trans people and had to become a sex worker to provide for herself because no one would hire trans people. and then she was murdered because of it. i think she would be a little too preoccupied with trying to survive the streets with the knowledge that there wouldn’t be an investigation into her death and she was just as likely to die at the hands of a cop than a regular civilian to care about whether or not a group of people who don’t get horny should be grouped with the same people the police were trying to eliminate because we were ‘immoral’.
if your idea of the community is a place where ideological diversity and debate isn’t allowed, it’s not us with the misunderstanding of lgbt history and the community’s role, it’s you.
Aces are never discriminated against? I’m constantly being told that it’s not an identity, and that everyone feels sexual attraction, which is what you’re saying, which sounds a helluva lot like discrimination. So, I’m not sure where the hell you’re coming from, but you need to fuck the hell off until you realize that the only people not allowed in the community are pedophiles.
people saying ignorant things coming from a place of uneducation is not discrimination as it’s not denying you any rights as a human being. please learn the difference between mean words and legal oppression. also, by your logic, even straight people are allowed in the community as long as they’re not pedos? sounds awfully like you don’t even think we should need a community since you clearly don’t understand why we have it and what it’s for.
First, uh huh, suure. Second, I never once said that. Its kind of obvious that I meant lgbt+ people. The community is one of the greatest fucking things I’ve ever gotten to be a part of, because it’s a welcoming space(minus you of course). Also, aren’t you the one saying ignorant things right now?
please learn the difference between oppression and you being offended by something because i can assure you they’re very different things and it would all save us a lot of time. i know you’ve been told through various lgbt themed accounts on social media that the height of oppression is someone accidentally using the wrong pronouns or maybe critically looking at what makes someone lgbt, and i urge you, for the sake of being a normal person again, read up on lgbt history (not just stonewall, not just american history) and then come back to me and tell me you still agree with that.
i know you’re like 14 and have no real world experience here but i can assure you that the community isn’t this open bordered fantasy you have in your head right now and nor has it ever been. i agree with you, it’s a great community we have in terms of how willing we are to be each others’ family and being our own advocate legally. but do you know why that is? because the community was founded on the message of keeping each other safe in a time where homophobia and transphobia were so common and accepted that our murders were seen as justified (and if we’re being technical here, gay/trans panic laws still exist and are still a valid legal claim as to why someone could avoid jail time for killing an lgbt person). aces don’t suffer that same legal discrimination, they don’t suffer the same social discrimination, they just suffer a group of people telling them ‘no’. or being called a plant online. but again. that’s not exactly discrimination, is it?
Oh, I know there are worse things. I know that more than I should for someone who is, yeah, 14. I also know that no where during this have been “offended”. This community is a home to me when my own doesn’t understand, and I would do anything to protect it. Aces might not face “legal discrimination”, but we face it just the same, and there’s a lot that goes into this. I’m not stupid, even though you seem to think so. There are people coming to terms with identities that might not have been fully fleshed out at that time, of course things are a bit different. I appreciate everything those before us have done, but living in the past and using it to justify hate is probably not what they would want.
@uwuregulator time to unpack some bullshit
first of all the lgbt community isnt the oppression olympics, we aren't all in contest over resources. feeling deprived and unsupported? take it up with the providers and the leadership, not your fellow victims
even that being granted, the social pressure of heteronormativism is something that effects us all and has very real consequences. asexual suicidal ideation is far from the norm. that shit is real. your hyperfixation on legality is misplaced wasted energy you could be using to push the boundaries outward. literally nobody is effected by the community being too inclusive. literally everybody is effected by lgbt issues. over reliance on specific issues will cause you to lose sight of the bigger picture. im gonna assume you're some youngo going through that awful cliquey teen phase cause you're getting all high and mighty on 14 year olds on tumblr, so here's some news for you, insularity doesn't matter to activism
never has
you scared about kkk infiltrating the black panthers? are you stupid?
the founders of early lgbt movements and modern intersectionality were concerned, communally speaking, only with safe spaces. purity of hardship wasn't an issue for them. don't like x person? go form your own creepy edgelord clique somewhere else, that's straight up your intersectional right. diversity is the truth and the goal. if you aren't running at that, you've lost sight of the way
and while we're on the subject of history, a polite reminder of how you've forgotten the existence of asexual activism before 2000, and all the ways in which history has had to repeat itself before reaching the point today where some minority of people actually recognise that trans people of colour are the reason the modern lgbt community exists, not some aryan gay boy poster child, but the unrecognised and excluded. what historical tradition exactly are you trying to be a part of?
i cant even fathom why you would want to keep out somebody willing to fight in your corner. once you leave high school it's pretty obvious that nobody would seek inclusion just for cool points? adult communities dont work that way
also if you think your modern progressive take on truscum is the overarching picture the community actually puts out, you're fucking delusional
It’s so weird when people pretend they’re going to hit someone and when the person cringes they’re like “HHA LOSER YOU FLINCHED!!”
Like it’s called reflexes?? And technically if you don’t flinch you have really slow ones, WHICH AINT A GOOD THING SIS CAUSE IF IT WAS A REAL PUNCH YOUR TEETH COULD BE KNOCKED TF OUT BUT OKAY I GUESS
im sorry to be the one to inform you that this is just bullying. but on the bright side, high school/college will be better
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